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Honda Accord / BMW 320d / Skoda Superb / Volkswagen Passat / Opel insignia
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accord all the way, there is no comparision in terms of build quality. i used to own a petrol accord 2.4 and clutch launch it nearly every day, it still lasted 2 years before the diff began to break.
rwd/fwd doesnt really matter at those horsepower ranges, and considering you're obvously not buying it to be racing it around0 -
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I guess that you cant get best of both worlds such as really good driving dynamics in rural areas and easyness, refinment and stability on motorway driving.
I guess then that i wount be buying BMW in near future.
I prefer the driving style of Passat rather then the kind of Mazda and BMW which are bit too much for me.
P.S. I m not sure is the Passat b5.5 that good comparing to modern rivals but in my experiance I found it to be better for motorway crusing than Mazda defo especially if ye driven on the new motorway from Galway to Athlone where the road is almost like a glass surface and it seems it can be very easy to loose grip when driving car with steering like Mazda and maybe some other cars.0 -
What you're saying doesn't make sense there. The Mazda won't loose grip any easier than a Passat, in fact probably less easily. Wandering lanes would be down to steering sensitivity, particularly around the dead centre. Sometimes manufacturers engineer a deadness in and around the centre to combat what you're talking about but the balance between good steering accuracy and feel and feedback versus the leave it alone on a motorway type is where it gets difficult.I guess that you cant get best of both worlds such as really good driving dynamics in rural areas and easyness, refinment and stability on motorway driving.
I guess then that i wount be buying BMW in near future.
I prefer the driving style of Passat rather then the kind of Mazda and BMW which are bit too much for me.
P.S. I m not sure is the Passat b5.5 that good comparing to modern rivals but in my experiance I found it to be better for motorway crusing than Mazda defo especially if ye driven on the new motorway from Galway to Athlone where the road is almost like a glass surface and it seems it can be very easy to loose grip when driving car with steering like Mazda and maybe some other cars.
The VAG cars are always very numb in terms of chassis feel and particularly steering feel and feedback, in most cases offering none at all. It's true that the B5.5 Passat was very refined, compared to most in its class, and the Mazda wasn't as well sound insulated, but both are very comfortable cruisers.
If you don't like that over-accurate steering then maybe the 3-Series or Mazda aren't for you, but try them first to decide. Actually the newer Lexus IS has an excellent balance of comfort and stability on the motorway and around town combined with very decent response from the chassis on a twisty back road, combined with nice accurate steering that's not over-sensitive at motorway speeds. The petrol IS is very good, the diesel has it's known problems that you'll need to be aware of before buying, and is bettered by the BMW engine.
Unfortunately in life there are always compromises though!!! Test drive many, and choose wisely! If you don't like it, change again in a year or two! 0 -
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I don't have much experience to compare with other cars, but I can confirm 2.0l petrol Accord also has really light steering - I don't feel it as issue on the motorway (it's electronically assisted to have different levels of 'turn' depending on the speed, sorry about the technical jargon
), but I do feel it tram-lining - sticking to the faults on the road, painted lines etc - then again it was most apparent with Bridgestone Potenza tires worn past 3mm. It didn't feel that bad with Sport Contact 3s (also really worn), and never an issue with any tyres with reasonable amount of tread. Good car over all - never had any issues in last 3 years or so, other than one blown side light bulb. 0 -
What you're saying doesn't make sense there. The Mazda won't loose grip any easier than a Passat, in fact probably less easily. Wandering lanes would be down to steering sensitivity, particularly around the dead centre. Sometimes manufacturers engineer a deadness in and around the centre to combat what you're talking about but the balance between good steering accuracy and feel and feedback versus the leave it alone on a motorway type is where it gets difficult.
The VAG cars are always very numb in terms of chassis feel and particularly steering feel and feedback, in most cases offering none at all. It's true that the B5.5 Passat was very refined, compared to most in its class, and the Mazda wasn't as well sound insulated, but both are very comfortable cruisers.
If you don't like that over-accurate steering then maybe the 3-Series or Mazda aren't for you, but try them first to decide. Actually the newer Lexus IS has an excellent balance of comfort and stability on the motorway and around town combined with very decent response from the chassis on a twisty back road, combined with nice accurate steering that's not over-sensitive at motorway speeds. The petrol IS is very good, the diesel has it's known problems that you'll need to be aware of before buying, and is bettered by the BMW engine.
Unfortunately in life there are always compromises though!!! Test drive many, and choose wisely! If you don't like it, change again in a year or two!
I definitely didnt use proper words in explaining myself but you put it there better then me.
Thats exactly what I though and wanted to say. and i agree with everything you said.
That s the main diferrence which I noticed between Mazda 6 and Passat.
To be honest in some moments I miss Mazda but then in some moments I preffer Passat because of the refinment and better noise isolation.
Thou I dont think I ll be changing cars anytime soon even thou there are very good few deals on BMW 3 series 2004 for under 5 grand with 2 l petrol engine that are tempting me and causing to visit carzone good few times a day 0 -
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well in that case, the handling of the 3-series will be much better than the accord, its RWD so it can do more stunts as well.. you'll need more cash to pay for the random things that break as well, though
accord = very well built, very reliable car, if the petrol version is anything to go by
3-series = much more fun, but you will break the components much more easily as well (at least on the m3, the build quality of the components shared with the regular 3-series isn't as good as honda)0 -
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