Ireland needs a dictatorship

jetsonx

When the Irish vote they have incredible tendency to vote for the spiv in the sharp suit who talks about “solutions” and “going forward”. The Irish love hearing what they want to hear. This is putty in the hands for likes of Fianna Fail spivs.

How do you stop this?

Under the current system you can’t. The muppets always seem to have their way. We came within a hair’s breath of having another Fianna Fail spiv getting into the presidency.

Does Ireland need a dictatorship with a technocratic government installed? I am not talking about a Saddam Hussein-type dictatorship but a more of a benign dictatorship. Is this the only way chronic mismanagement and visionless leadership of the Ireland can be stopped?

RichieC

The man calling for a dictatorship calling other people muppets.. Oy..

FearDark

We may as well live under a dictatorship because everytime the government screws us we just roll over and accept it.

Another tax?

"Oh fine so"...

jpfahy

It's the only way but sadly there is no Messiah coming forward in Ireland

MrStuffins

jetsonx wrote: »

When the Irish vote they have incredible tendency to vote for the spiv in the sharp suit who talks about “solutions” and “going forward”.

That's because this describes all of the candidates!

Indubitable

We do live in a dictatorship.

DoesNotCompute

jetsonx wrote: »

Does Ireland need a dictatorship?

Good God Damned right we do, send in the troops, execute the lot of them in. Roll in the military junta to give us the bad medicine we so dearly need.

We can cosy up with the likes of Chavez, Castro, Putin, and be totally badass and feared and respected by the rest of Europe. :cool:

jetsonx

FearDark wrote: »

We may as well live under a dictatorship because everytime the government screws us we just roll over and accept it.

yes, did you see Sarkozy tickling Enda yesterday in same way you would tickle a friendly labrador.

Bannasidhe

jetsonx wrote: »

When the Irish vote they have incredible tendency to vote for the spiv in the sharp suit who talks about “solutions” and “going forward”. The Irish love hearing what they want to hear. This is putty in the hands for likes of Fianna Fail spivs.

How do you stop this?

Under the current system you can’t. The muppets always seem to have their way. We came within a hair’s breath of having another Fianna Fail spiv getting into the presidency.

Does Ireland need a dictatorship with a technocratic government installed? I am not talking about a Saddam Hussein-type dictatorship but a more of benign dictatorship. Is this the only way chronic mismanagement and visionless leadership of the Ireland can be stopped?

Benign dictatorship= Enlightened absolutism.

historians debate the actual implementation of enlightened absolutism. They distinguish between the "enlightenment" of the ruler personally, versus that of his or her regime. For example, Frederick II, "The Great," of Prussia was tutored in the ideas of the French Enlightenment in his youth, and maintained those ideas in his private life as an adult, but in many ways was unable or unwilling to affect enlightened reforms in practice. Others rulers like Sebastião José de Carvalho e Melo, the prime minister of Portugal, used the enlightenment not only to achieve reforms but also to enhance autocracy, crush opposition, suppress criticism, further colonial economic exploitation, and consolidate personal control and profit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightened_absolutism

What happens when the dictatorship is no longer benign? How is this benign dictator selected? Benign toward whom?

Eric Cartman

ill be a great dictator, southern ireland is best Ireland. yous would all be grand though, everyone would be so fcuked up on legal drugs that they wouldnt realise that i put all the minorities in mosney and built some new shower cubicles

John Doe1

Cool anyone wanna start a militia, i have cigars and guns.

MagicSean

jpfahy wrote: »

It's the only way but sadly there is no Messiah coming forward in Ireland

Ill have a go.

Sonnenblumen

jetsonx wrote: »

When the Irish vote they have incredible tendency to vote for the spiv in the sharp suit who talks about “solutions” and “going forward”. The Irish love hearing what they want to hear. This is putty in the hands for likes of Fianna Fail spivs.

How do you stop this?

Under the current system you can’t. The muppets always seem to have their way. We came within a hair’s breath of having another Fianna Fail spiv getting into the presidency.

Does Ireland need a dictatorship with a technocratic government installed? I am not talking about a Saddam Hussein-type dictatorship but a more of a benign dictatorship. Is this the only way chronic mismanagement and visionless leadership of the Ireland can be stopped?

Heil!

Myrddin

We live in a Dicktatorship

ejmaztec

Indubitable wrote: »

We do live in a dictatorship.

Yes, we do have quite a few dick-tators spouting crap 24/7.

Doc Ruby

jetsonx wrote: »

When the Irish people vote they have incredible tendency to vote for the spiv in the sharp suit who talks about “solutions” and “going forward”. The Irish People everywhere love hearing what they want to hear.

FYP

jetsonx wrote: »

Is this the only way chronic mismanagement and visionless leadership of the Ireland can be stopped?

Or maybe vote for someone with a clue.

jpfahy wrote: »

It's the only way but sadly there is no Messiah coming forward in Ireland

And if one did appear you can be sure the begrudgers and party shills would pull him or her down.

Kintarō Hattori

It's not a matter of the Irish loving 'whatever'. It's simply the case that there is no party you'd actually want to vote for. There isn't one politician who is in a position from which they can instigate change.

We have limited, woeful choices.

wendell borton

jetsonx wrote: »

yes, did you see Sarkozy tickling Enda yesterday in same way you would tickle a friendly labrador.

Sarkozy:Good boy enda, sit, roll over.

nice_very

theres already a lot of dick taking going on in this country (the govt giving it to the people up the aras)

gerryo777

Indubitable wrote: »

We do live in a dictatorship.

Yep, with Herr Merkel calling the shots! Actung Baby!!!

KeithAFC

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

It's not a matter of the Irish loving 'whatever'. It's simply the case that there is no party you'd actually want to vote for. There isn't one politician who is in a position from which they can instigate change.

We have limited, woeful choices.

Sure you sold all your sovereignty.

fishy fishy

wendell borton wrote: »

Sarkozy:Good boy enda, sit, roll over.

a picture paints a thousand words

Pissmire

No such thing as a free lunch.

Dudess

Indubitable wrote: »

We do live in a dictatorship.

That's deep, man. No we don't. I think Eamon Gilmore is a bit of a gimp - guess what? I won't get arrested!

People who maintain a dictatorship is needed are only referring to other people living under it, not themselves, so they don't really mean it. But they think it sounds clever - those who say we're living in a dictatorship think the same about their inane soundbite too.

gerryo777

KeithAFC wrote: »

Sure you sold all your sovereignty.

Good chap keith.:rolleyes:

Defiler Of The Coffin

Dudess wrote: »

That's deep, man. No we don't. I think Eamon Gilmore is a bit of a gimp - guess what? I won't get arrested!

People who maintain a dictatorship is needed are only referring to other people living under it, not themselves, so they don't really mean it. But they think it sounds clever - those who say we're living in a dictatorship think the same about their inane soundbite too.

Shhh... The Tonton Mocoutes are listening...

dxhound2005

It won't be a cheap option. The captains of industry who made such a sucess of business recently would need €1 million minimum to tempt them. We might get Eamonn Dunphy a bit cheaper.

biko

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator"
George Bush

MisterEpicurus

If I was dictator, I would abolish the concept of Munster and its land and relocate the people onto an island where people have to jump for food like fish.

In addition, I would ban all of the following;
- Tracksuit bottoms
- Uggs
- Plastic Surgery
- Immigration
- Emigration

I'd use all the finance to power nuclear weapons secretly, and then bomb the Vatican, Iran, Sarah Palin's house, and probably China just for fun.

But I would listen to the people.

But I'll never have this power, so try not to be too downbeat ;-)

I think that were well on our way to a dictatorship. The Irish SOPA law seems to prove this, no matter how many others oppose the law both TDs and common folk Sherlock has made it clear that while he'll take peoples opinions on-board they're all wrong and he's right and as such he's signing the law without changing a word.

dxhound2005

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that were well on our way to a dictatorship. The Irish SOPA law seems to prove this, no matter how many others oppose the law both TDs and common folk Sherlock has made it clear that while he'll take peoples opinions on-board they're all wrong and he's right and as such he's signing the law without changing a word.

In a real dictatorship you would be heading for the salt mines for writing this sort of stuff.

St.Spodo

I'm surprised people still believe this is a novel and viable idea in 2012. It doesn't make you sound clever or wise. It's a terrible, historically ignorant, brain fart.

Ellis Dee

No country needs a dictatorship! Any more than it needs a severe earthquake, famine, a natural catastrophe or a plague or locusts.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I suggest the OP find out what a dictatorship actually is, what it's like to live in one. Google a few key words like Hitler, Stalin, Franco, Mussolini, Idi Amin, Pol Pot --- Imagine what it's like to live in a society where you don't have the freedom to fart. Things are bad enough in Ireland, but we're still a long way from people being killed and tortured in their thousands.:D


Ireland needs a lot of things, but a dictatorship would be at the very bottom of the list. Long before it would come a greater sense of civic responsibility on the part of well-informed citizens ---:):)

Celly Smunt

Ellis Dee wrote: »

No country needs a dictatorship! Any more than it needs a severe earthquake, famine, a natural catastrophe or a plague or locusts.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I suggest the OP find out what a dictatorship actually is, what it's like to live in one. Google a few key words like Hitler, Stalin, Franco, Mussolini, Idi Amin, Pol Pot --- Imagine what it's like to live in a society where you don't have the freedom to fart. Things are bad enough in Ireland, but we're still a long way from people being killed and tortured in their thousands.:D


Ireland needs a lot of things, but a dictatorship would be at the very bottom of the list. Long before it would come a greater sense of civic responsibility on the part of well-informed citizens ---:):)

Hitler was pretty good for the germans really..

Ellis Dee

pmcmahon wrote: »

Hitler was pretty good for the germans really..

Except for the 6.5 - 9 million or so of them of them who died in the armed forces or as a result of bombing or crimes against humanity in World War 11.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

wilkie2006

John Doe1 wrote: »

Cool anyone wanna start a militia, i have cigars and guns.

I'll bring the beards

Lawrence1895

pmcmahon wrote: »

Hitler was pretty good for the germans really..

That's what the Germans thought in 1933, but we all know, what happened :rolleyes:

mattjack

jetsonx wrote: »

When the Irish vote they have incredible tendency to vote for the spiv in the sharp suit who talks about “solutions” and “going forward”. The Irish love hearing what they want to hear. This is putty in the hands for likes of Fianna Fail spivs.

How do you stop this?

Under the current system you can’t. The muppets always seem to have their way. We came within a hair’s breath of having another Fianna Fail spiv getting into the presidency.

Does Ireland need a dictatorship with a technocratic government installed? I am not talking about a Saddam Hussein-type dictatorship but a more of a benign dictatorship. Is this the only way chronic mismanagement and visionless leadership of the Ireland can be stopped?

Ireland needs a spaceship ,,, I might've fixed this recession.

Sonnenblumen

Lars1916 wrote: »

That's what the Germans thought in 1933, but we all know, what happened :rolleyes:

Yes indeed, aside from a few set backs, it' has gone from strength to strength to become one of the most successful economies in the world.

Dudess

Yeah that whole war and genocide thing was a setback all right...

44leto

Yay Ireland need a ditatorship, I would much prefer an intelligent electorate.

Sindri

Lars1916 wrote: »

That's what the Germans thought in 1933, but we all know, what happened :rolleyes:

No they didn't. The Nazi's never had a majority in the Reichstag, though they eventually became the largest party. He was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg, and he had the Reichstag Fire Decree and the Enabling Act passed that allowed him to establish absolute power.

dxhound2005

dxhound2005 wrote: »

In a real dictatorship you would be heading for the salt mines for writing this sort of stuff.

In a real dictatorship I wouldn't have been able to post that in the first place as boards would be blocked.

TerrorFirmer

pmcmahon wrote: »

Hitler was pretty good for the germans really..

Had Hitler been clever, he would have been the best thing to happen Germany since Bismarck. Hitler was popular through the 1930's in Germany. Rearmament drew Germany out of disastrous recession, though obviously it couldn't continue without war - and successful war, at that.

Hitlers popularity actually increased after the almost effortless conquering of Poland. Had he not made the disastrous mistake of attacking the Soviet Union, he would likely have been considered one of Germany's greatest statesmen.

By mid 1941, he had brought Germany out of a disastrous recession, achieved battlefield victories in several weeks that eluded the high command over several years between 1914-1918, and brought Germany to an elevated position of power and importance thought unfathomable after the defeats of 1918, and cemented Germany as the greatest power on the European continent - 20 years after the total defeat and dismantlement of the once powerful and dominant Germany.

Had be been a little smarter...

The world doesn't want to know but....

He could have ruled the world.

Capt'n Midnight

jetsonx wrote: »

We came within a hair’s breath of having another Fianna Fail spiv getting into the presidency.

Does Ireland need a dictatorship with a technocratic government installed? I am not talking about a Saddam Hussein-type dictatorship but a more of a benign dictatorship.

I think you've answered your own question.

If we were to elect a dictator then it would almost certainly end up as an FF one. Anyone have fond memories of what Dev did for the country ?


As for benign

George Washington didn't seize power and become a dictator

Sulla stepped down at the end of his term in 81 BC.
He popularised the word proscription, ie. you sent your slave down to the forum first thing each morning to see was your name on the list, if so then you would drop everything and flee for your life. (If you hadn't already been picked up)

Other than those two almost everyone else who has been in a position to take and hold absolute power has done so for as long as possible.

Capt'n Midnight

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Had Hitler been clever, he would have been the best thing to happen Germany since Bismarck. Hitler was popular through the 1930's in Germany. Rearmament drew Germany out of disastrous recession, though obviously it couldn't continue without war - and successful war, at that.

Hitlers popularity actually increased after the almost effortless conquering of Poland. Had he not made the disastrous mistake of attacking the Soviet Union, he would likely have been considered one of Germany's greatest statesmen.

By mid 1941, he had brought Germany out of a disastrous recession, achieved battlefield victories in several weeks that eluded the high command over several years between 1914-1918, and brought Germany to an elevated position of power and importance thought unfathomable after the defeats of 1918, and cemented Germany as the greatest power on the European continent - 20 years after the total defeat and dismantlement of the once powerful and dominant Germany.

Had be been a little smarter...

The world doesn't want to know but....

He could have ruled the world.

Rearmament was a bubble like the housing here. Debts would have had to be paid.

Had he not persecuted the local populations in the East the war might have gone on longer. Had he not invaded Russia but setup a defensive perimeter who knows ?

Had he not allied with Italy and Japan and not invaded Russia then it could have been very different and scaled back on the battle of the Atlantic to let the UK go bankrupt...


There would have been no victories in North Africa. There would have been no victories in Italy. No having to keep 3/4 of the army on the Eastern Front.

The Pacific war might have been different, with US and UK focusing more on it. But in the end the B29 / Manhattan projects might have tipped the balance later on.

44leto

He never would have won, for the simple reason, he did not want to invest to much in Jewish physics. So he would have been eventually nuked.

Also nobody at that time could have possibly fought against the USA wealth, resources and industrial might. In the end it was the Americans that kept the Russians supplied and advancing, (the irony).

Nothingbetter2d

jetsonx wrote: »

When the Irish vote they have incredible tendency to vote for the spiv in the sharp suit who talks about “solutions” and “going forward”. The Irish love hearing what they want to hear. This is putty in the hands for likes of Fianna Fail spivs.

How do you stop this?

Under the current system you can’t. The muppets always seem to have their way. We came within a hair’s breath of having another Fianna Fail spiv getting into the presidency.

Does Ireland need a dictatorship with a technocratic government installed? I am not talking about a Saddam Hussein-type dictatorship but a more of a benign dictatorship. Is this the only way chronic mismanagement and visionless leadership of the Ireland can be stopped?

we have a dictator.. Kenny is the white Mugabe

dsmythy

People who think we live in a dictatorship need to look at actual dictatorships. Everyone could vote Socialist in the next election if they wanted. It would be the ruin of the country but people are free to do it.

s20101938

We already live in a dick-tayto-chip