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St Johns Wort

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  • 31-01-2012 2:54pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭


    I was on st johns wort over christmas and new year but i dont think it did the right things for me at all, I cant explain it very well but it did have an effect on me but not the right effect


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭lastlaugh


    It didn't make you feel happy then?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its not homeopathic,
    Its a proven anti depressent.
    I think you need a perscription to get it here


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Although it has a bull****-sounding name, it's been used as an antidepressant for years.

    It's been prescription-only in the Republic for more than ten years because the Irish Medicines Board were worried about losing out on money self-medication.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    seamus wrote: »
    Although it has a bull****-sounding name, it's been used as an antidepressant for years.

    It's been prescription-only in the Republic for more than ten years because the Irish Medicines Board were worried about losing out on money self-medication.

    The same with 5-htp.

    You can buy it in a health shop in the UK, over here you need a script.

    Pile of ****e.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    The same with 5-htp.

    Seriously?

    I was going to pick some up on Saturday.

    Bollox.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,068 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    What exactly is the point of this thread?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    Although it has a bull****-sounding name, it's been used as an antidepressant for years.

    It's been prescription-only in the Republic for more than ten years because the Irish Medicines Board were worried about losing out on money self-medication.

    According to wiki, it can be "associated with aggravating psychosis in schizophrenia."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭lastlaugh


    Gingseng is good stuff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Knasher


    Its a proven anti depressent.

    There is some evidence to indicate that St. Johns Wort is helpful in treating mild to moderate depression, however there are also some negative studies, so it is far from being a proven antidepressant. There is also research indicating that it may interfere with several drugs, including birth control and heart disease medications, so if anyone is on any of those or indeed any medication, they should consult their doctor before taking it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    aint st john's wort used by women to mellow out their pms rage?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    According to wiki, it can be "associated with aggravating psychosis in schizophrenia."
    Yeah the medical board only did it because of money and not any real danger:rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    seamus wrote: »
    Although it has a bull****-sounding name, it's been used as an antidepressant for years.

    It's been prescription-only in the Republic for more than ten years because the Irish Medicines Board were worried about losing out on money self-medication.
    It also interacts with a large amount of commonly prescribed drugs like Warfarin.

    At the time it was "banned", I remember a number of health food shops were selling it loose for preparation as a tea. There were concerns at the time about variation in dosing as well, as a result of this.

    When I saw the thread title, I thought it would be 6 posts before we got the "big Pharma want to ban everything they can't control line". It's worth noticing that most dispensaries that have it will be stocking products made by the more reputable "alternative medicine" manufacturers. The leviathans have no real interest in it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭kellso81


    seamus wrote: »

    It's been prescription-only in the Republic for more than ten years because the Irish Medicines Board were worried about losing out on money self-medication.

    It affects the cytochrome P450 enzyme system which is involved in the metabolism and breakdown of constituents in the blood including drugs. It increases the breakdown of many commonly prescribed drugs leaving sub-therapeutic doses, most notably with warfarin which could be potentially fatal and oral contraceptive which could result in unwanted pregnancies. In 10 years as a pharmacist I've never seen a prescription for St. John's Wort so it's hardly a huge IMB money spinner. It's regulated because it's a dangerous drug.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Fart


    You can get it in Lidl here for around 2 quid.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    Can't you just wander round the woods picking this stuff? Are there any penalties for being in possession of it without prescription?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Seachmall wrote: »
    Seriously?

    I was going to pick some up on Saturday.

    Bollox.

    Unfortunately yes, i always get mine when i am over in the UK. Handy stuff to have.


  • Registered Users Posts: 856 ✭✭✭gk5000


    kellso81 wrote: »
    It affects the cytochrome P450 enzyme system which is involved in the metabolism and breakdown of constituents in the blood including drugs. It increases the breakdown of many commonly prescribed drugs leaving sub-therapeutic doses, most notably with warfarin which could be potentially fatal and oral contraceptive which could result in unwanted pregnancies. In 10 years as a pharmacist I've never seen a prescription for St. John's Wort so it's hardly a huge IMB money spinner. It's regulated because it's a dangerous drug.

    There is also a potential reaction with anti-depression drugs, so you can't mix the two and must be off one for several weeks before starting the other.

    On the money spinner end, it could be take some cash from the prosac brigade, but Irish doctors will never prescribe it, as it not understood as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    seamus wrote: »
    Although it has a bull****-sounding name, it's been used as an antidepressant for years.

    It's been prescription-only in the Republic for more than ten years because the Irish Medicines Board were worried about losing out on money self-medication.

    As mentioned before, the big issue is serious interaction with other meds. The problem with it having been over the counter, was that people didn't tell their doctors they were on it, because they didn't consider it a "drug". At least with it having to be prescribed, doctors are aware you are taking it and can avoid mixing it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    kellso81 wrote: »
    It affects the cytochrome P450 enzyme system which is involved in the metabolism and breakdown of constituents in the blood including drugs. It increases the breakdown of many commonly prescribed drugs leaving sub-therapeutic doses, most notably with warfarin which could be potentially fatal and oral contraceptive which could result in unwanted pregnancies. In 10 years as a pharmacist I've never seen a prescription for St. John's Wort so it's hardly a huge IMB money spinner. It's regulated because it's a dangerous drug.

    thats cause people can stock up on it anywhere else in the world for half nothing. It must be just the 26 county "soil" that has an effect on it. :D:D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,003 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    According to wiki, it can be "associated with aggravating psychosis in schizophrenia."
    doesn't everything


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭draiochtanois


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 84 ✭✭Mercurius


    gk5000 wrote: »

    On the money spinner end, it could be take some cash from the prosac brigade, but Irish doctors will never prescribe it, as it not understood as well.

    And weirdly Prozac and other anti-depressants have been proven in studies to be no more effective than a placebo, with side-effects, whereas St. Johns Wort has been proven to be more effective in some cases of depression, with no possibility of an overdose.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    As mentioned before, the big issue is serious interaction with other meds. The problem with it having been over the counter, was that people didn't tell their doctors they were on it, because they didn't consider it a "drug". At least with it having to be prescribed, doctors are aware you are taking it and can avoid mixing it.
    There are many, many potential interactions between all kinds of prescriptions drugs, and over the counter drugs or non-medical products. Warfarin for example can have serious interactions with aspirin and ibuprofen, both of which are commonly available over the counter or from supermarkets. But they can't be grown in your back garden.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 aindreas


    I don't get why it's status was changed to prescription only... the plant grows wild all over the place, easy to grow. You can get it across the border in all health stores (and Tesco's have an own brand!) I think Ireland is the only place that has it prescription only.. It's the most common prescribed anti depressant for teenagers in Germany.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    I'm always intrigued how people continue to perceive depression as some sort of biological disorder that can be 'fixed' with medicine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭senorwipesalot


    Nick Guats wrote: »
    I was on st johns wort over christmas and new year but i dont think it did the right things for me at all, I cant explain it very well but it did have an effect on me but not the right effect
    Did you smoke it or snort it OP?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    How is this thread still not locked?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Cardinal Richelieu


    Did you smoke it or snort it OP?

    They closed there account.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭sunflower27


    aint st john's wort used by women to mellow out their pms rage?

    Primrose oil, darling. :p


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