1st terrier

djflawless

the girlfriend got a terrier pup a few weeks ago as a house dog. . Little does she know what i have in mind for him.
Anyways hes gone 12 weeks at the weekend.has his shots.wormed and the likes.
But never had the oppertunity to train a terrier so im looking for any advice other people learned from while training terriers.cheers

djflawless

10 weeks

landkeeper

you don't rain terriers they train you the one thing i will say from experience is don't take your eye of him or relax :D:D

Spunk84

Wat u using him for?

djflawless

rats anyways. .but hopefully foxing

moby30

My little Terrier wont sit, stay, stop, listen to a whistle, terrorises the Post Man, Bites the Neighbours, savages me if I go to sit on the Sofa as this is now his and he hates all the other dogs. I did try and train him but just gave up as he just didnt care:D. In saying that I always bring him shooting if im going out on my own as he just seems to know what to do. He will always stay at my side completely silent and when he comes across a den he almost points and waits for the nod and then in he goes. If im out shooting rabbits he will lie down beside when im taking a shot and when I tell him to go he will go and bring the rabbit back, and when out deer stalking hes the biz especially for tracking. I should just say though that hes only like this when he sees the Gun or you tell him we are going for a shot. If myself or the wife tried to just bring the little Bas***d for a "normal" walk hes just completely uncontrollable and will do whatever the hell he feels like. Im always amazed by how "lovely" everyone that comes into the house thinks he is

catch some rats in a live catch trap when hes a bit bigger. let him see the rat but not go near it, like teasing him. it will drive him nuts and he will want to kill that rat! keep it up for a week or two then let rat out and see what happens

pugw

You could try him on a live caught mink if he gets on ok with the rats

Spunk84

djflawless wrote: »

the girlfriend got a terrier pup

Here lays your problem mate:rolleyes: your girlfriend got it so in another 12 months or so how would she feel to having her poochey woochy:P coming home missing its lip or having its face in bits when a fox has it down a hole;) Ive learned over the years if your going to work a terrier dont work anyones terrier but your own!!!! at the end of the day if the tunnel collapses, the dog suffocates, gets killed by a fox :eek:(yes it does happen), gets its eye ripped out of its head, dies from heat exhaustion or simply gets knocked down while your out, at least you answer to yourself and not a grieving girlfriend if you know what i mean:cool:

With rats as well theres a good chance of the dog picking up a disease and dying so make sure you understand that as well.

The terrier looks like a cross between a toy breed as well with it ears but i cant really tell with the pic.With training a terrier theres no training "really" involved mate, the dog either has it or it doesn't. Show the dog quarry in a cage or whilst out and "rile" the dog to get it excited and see what its reaction is in terms of choking itself to death to get at the quarry or barking just for the sake of it.

running to ground as well is more instinct in its breeding. Ive had terriers not been out of the yard in 12 months run straight to ground and tag onto a fox the first day. i have had Brian Nuttall dogs which where brought over from the UK for 500Pounds in the 90s:eek: which wouldnt go near a hole to they where 18 months....It all depends mate. Godd Luck Thou

Spunk84

Is it? Wouldn't be the same as a fox!

Octopus

Spunk84 wrote: »

Here lays your problem mate:rolleyes: your girlfriend got it so in another 12 months or so how would she feel to having her poochey woochy:P coming home missing its lip or having its face in bits when a fox has it down a hole;) Ive learned over the years if your going to work a terrier dont work anyones terrier but your own!!!! at the end of the day if the tunnel collapses, the dog suffocates, gets killed by a fox :eek:(yes it does happen), gets its eye ripped out of its head, dies from heat exhaustion or simply gets knocked down while your out, at least you answer to yourself and not a grieving girlfriend if you know what i mean:cool:

With rats as well theres a good chance of the dog picking up a disease and dying so make sure you understand that as well.

The terrier looks like a cross between a toy breed as well with it ears but i cant really tell with the pic.With training a terrier theres no training "really" involved mate, the dog either has it or it doesn't. Show the dog quarry in a cage or whilst out and "rile" the dog to get it excited and see what its reaction is in terms of choking itself to death to get at the quarry or barking just for the sake of it.

running to ground as well is more instinct in its breeding. Ive had terriers not been out of the yard in 12 months run straight to ground and tag onto a fox the first day. i have had Brian Nuttall dogs which where brought over from the UK for 500Pounds in the 90s:eek: which wouldnt go near a hole to they where 18 months....It all depends mate. Godd Luck Thou

This post has to get a commendation purely for using 5 different type of smiley face.

On the terrier, they either have it or they don't. I have a 14 month old terrier bought from rabbit hunting stock. First day she seen a hole down she went. I have done nothing with her only bring her out hunting with my lab. She's picked up everything from her and will hunt anything, she's a great nose for a pheasant and will go into the tightest cover.
They are an intelligent dog but as stubborn as hell.
If your going to train the dog to do anything make sure it's recall as they can get very excited when they get a sniff of something.

dogsandguns

terriers are next to impossible to train and if theres patterdale or bull in them forget about training you d be very lucky to get them to come back when you call them . I have found that if you have the gun with you when your out with the terriers they behave them selves like seasoned gundog don t no why but they do but if there is other dogs around they would make saten look like an angel and if you want them to go to ground let them decide when they want to go in not when you do curiosity gets the better eventually and they ll do it or won t

thelurcher

Not taking a dog out of the yard for 12 months!!!!!!!!! This is the problem with a lot of terrier lads - they're expecting the dog to enter and work the first time they're brought into a green field. It's a credit to their breeding that some still do actually work.
Now I'm not saying that you can't make a dog work that doesn't want to but FFS at least get it out and about now and again.

dogsandguns - I shoot over my fell types - I even had an APBT that I used to take out. I'm no cesar millan but it's not that hard to get them to a fairly basic level of training.

Rats in cages - it achieves nothing and proves much less - also doesn't do our cause much good suggesting this on a public forum.

djflawless if you're lucky enough to have a dog that will actually go to ground and work a fox then you need to get a few bits of gear first - shovel, bar, Locator
- And most importantly you need to know what you're doing - that can only be picked up through first hand experience.

Try getting out for a season or two digging with someone. Don't rush into
it.

Spunk84

thelurcher wrote: »

Not taking a dog out of the yard for 12 months!!!!!!!!! This is the problem with a lot of terrier lads - they're expecting the dog to enter and work the first time they're brought into a green field. It's a credit to their breeding that some still do actually work.
Now I'm not saying that you can't make a dog work that doesn't want to but FFS at least get it out and about now and again.

dogsandguns - I shoot over my fell types - I even had an APBT that I used to take out. I'm no cesar millan but it's not that hard to get them to a fairly basic level of training.

Rats in cages - it achieves nothing and proves much less - also doesn't do our cause much good suggesting this on a public forum.

djflawless if you're lucky enough to have a dog that will actually go to ground and work a fox then you need to get a few bits of gear first - shovel, bar, Locator
- And most importantly you need to know what you're doing - that can only be picked up through first hand experience.

Try getting out for a season or two digging with someone. Don't rush into
it.

Seriously man do you want a working terrier or a pet??? As i said theres not much training in them when you work terriers. Personally and others i hunted with never walked are dogs unless it was dark as they had alot of scars that would be reported,they were bred for working not for companionship! i had a Newfoundland for that.

The reason a terrier which will be used for working is not brought out to the "field" until around that age is that if its gets one nip,bite,scare etc it useless:mad: And no one wants a Bull/patt for a pet!!! So guess what happens to the unfortunate dog

yea you can bring him out to a field and let it rag a dead fox or other legal quarry but with terriers some may work at 6 months or 18months just depends on the dog in question.

kemen

what breeding is in the pup?

landkeeper

i have had my share of terriers over the years and hunted with them for nearly 30 years and i can say this with my hand on my heart
if you get one that wants to go to ground and work you'll never have any comfort with it off the lead. if it gets a scent and it decides it's going to do what it was bred for it's gone to ground nothing you will do will stop it .
you can train them walk them and socialise them but if they want to go they will go , once the heads gone that's it your digging

thelurcher

Spunk84 wrote: »

The reason a terrier which will be used for working is not brought out to the "field" until around that age is that if its gets one nip,bite,scare etc it useless:mad:

I really hope you're having a laugh there 'mate'

Spunk84 wrote: »

Personally and others i hunted with never walked are dogs unless it was dark as they had alot of scars

For a dog to get scars it must be either working or very fond of the lawnmower - my problem is fellas not getting young dogs out of the yard. And I'm not taking about entering them at 8 weeks old or anything.

I had a fella tell me before that if you lift up a terrier it'll never work - seriously Where do they get these notions.

Nuttall's son was over a fortnight ago with a car full of pups - should have put you in touch with him - 500 in the 90's would surely be a few grand now

thelurcher

landkeeper wrote: »

i have had my share of terriers over the years and hunted with them for nearly 30 years and i can say this with my hand on my heart
if you get one that wants to go to ground and work you'll never have any comfort with it off the lead. if it gets a scent and it decides it's going to do what it was bred for it's gone to ground nothing you will do will stop it .
you can train them walk them and socialise them but if they want to go they will go , once the heads gone that's it your digging

Very true landkeeper. That's why the OP needs to know what it really involves before losing his dog.

Spunk84

thelurcher wrote: »

I really hope you're having a laugh there 'mate'


For a dog to get scars it must be either working or very fond of the lawnmower - my problem is fellas not getting young dogs out of the yard. And I'm not taking about entering them at 8 weeks old or anything.

I had a fella tell me before that if you lift up a terrier it'll never work - seriously Where do they get these notions.

hahahaha the lawn mower would be a day off for the dogs, especially for what they hunted;)

thelurcher wrote: »

Nuttall's son was over a fortnight ago with a car full of pups - should have put you in touch with him - 500 in the 90's would surely be a few grand now

Nutalls dogs in the 80s and 90s where perfection but now there nothing more than watered down lines and puppy farmers:mad:

Ferreter wrote: »

thelurcher....

Good sensible, honest advice there from someone who has obviously been there, done it and dug the terrier....

Could you lick any harder:eek: All we need now is someone with a username like "thelamper" and you 2 would be a trio hahahahha For someone who said mink in a cage was illegal you sure do know about digging dogs:rolleyes: think you stick to hobs and jills:D

djflawless

bgod i wasnt expecting all out war there ha. .but from what ive been reading i think il give it a miss with this fella. .cheers for all the advice

Spunk84

djflawless wrote: »

bgod i wasnt expecting all out war there ha. .but from what ive been reading i think il give it a miss with this fella. .cheers for all the advice

Why not use the terrier for bushing instead of digging? Terriers make great ditch dogs

Spunk84

Ferreter wrote: »

Spunk84 wrote: »

hahahaha the lawn mower would be a day off for the dogs, especially for what they hunted;)



Nutalls dogs in the 80s and 90s where perfection but now there nothing more than watered down lines and puppy farmers:mad:



Could you lick any harder:eek: All we need now is someone with a username like "thelamper" and you 2 would be a trio hahahahha For someone who said mink in a cage was illegal you sure do know about digging dogs:rolleyes: think you stick to hobs and jills:D

I didnt mention Mink, I said rats because thats what someone else mentioned - And it is illegal.

As for the licking...Well thelurcher obviously knows what he's talking about, theres no licking in it, as you put it. It makes a change to hear someone talk sense, rather thanthe half assed comments and wives tales that are so common.

Not wives tails LOL all tried and tested. Been there and dug it LOL since I was 8 hahhAAHA

djflawless

bushing??explanation if any one gets a chance?

Octopus

djflawless wrote: »

bushing??explanation if any one gets a chance?

Bring him to the local niteclub to sniff out the women!

I presume he means walked up shooting or rough shooting, some will call it ditching, hedging etc.
Plenty of rabbits to be had walking the fields with a terrier and the shotgun.
The terrier can bolt rabbits from thick cover like briars when walking along.
Some rabbits will go to ground and some will be caught away from their burrow and will make a run for it, some rabbits are hedge rabbits and only go to ground when chased.

Great fun in the summer with young rabbits, great fun for the dog.
Depending on the terrier and how thick the cover is they will catch some rabbits so be prepared to cut into the briars to retrieve both dog and rabbit.

landkeeper

andif it's got any breeding in it once it wakes up be prepared to either wait for it or dig it out
you can take the dog out of the ghetto it can be hard to take the ghetto out the dog

fallowbuck

landkeeper wrote: »

andif it's got any breeding in it once it wakes up be prepared to either wait for it or dig it out
you can take the dog out of the ghetto it can be hard to take the ghetto out the dog

Very true for most digging men breeding is everything in a terrier and as for age well, we all should no when our own terriers are ready and mature enough to be entered. To give an exact age on any terrier is impossible I like to start mine at about 12 months although some earlier if i think their ready and like alot are no good so are . WE dont live back in the 60's so the level of quarry has been changed and i can only imagine some dogs would have to be left longer as it faced a far superior animal (Badger) A good working dog still today at 12 months should handle a fox I would want mine to kill it at that stage. But we all differ and want our little workers to do the job that is required of them . Keep digging lads

Spunk84

pugw wrote: »

You could try him on a live caught mink if he gets on ok with the rats

Ferreter wrote: »

This is an open forum, that is highly illegal - have some sense.

Ferreter wrote: »

I didnt mention Mink, I said rats because thats what someone else mentioned - And it is illegal.

how is it illegal ????????