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The Frontline: 30th January 2011

  • 30-01-2012 9:52pm
    #1
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭


    Anybody watching... This issue really shows how the unions have ruined the public service.. How can they call themselves "public servants", they are serving themselves and leaving the education system to pick up the pieces..


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  • #2
    irishh_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    Anybody watching... This issue really shows how the unions have ruined the public service.. How can they call themselves "public servants", they are serving themselves and leaving the education system to pick up the pieces..


    the public service in ireland exists first and foremost to serve those who work within it


  • #3
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Martin Donellan mustnt be far off an RTE pension to top up his one from An Garda Síochána..


  • #4
    omahaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    I'm confused. The CPA was agreed with the aim of maintaining PS pay by reducing numbers and maintaining the same level of services, is this correct? But now the gardai, teachers etc are saying that this can't be done? Does that mean the CPA has failed? Should we maintain the same numbers but reduce pay?


  • #5
    irishh_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


    omahaid wrote: »
    I'm confused. The CPA was agreed with the aim of maintaining PS pay by reducing numbers and maintaining the same level of services, is this correct? But now the gardai, teachers etc are saying that this can't be done? Does that mean the CPA has failed? Should we maintain the same numbers but reduce pay?

    no , they just want things to go back to the way they used to be , no cut in numbers and no cut in pay


  • #6
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Cannon is an embarrassment.


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  • #7
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Well from what I understand....

    - With the CPA, they werent allowed made mandatory cuts, any reduction of staff had to be through natural wastage or people voluntarily leaving...
    - They are bringing in new measures to bring the lump sum pay off and pensions back in to the real world, but comes in to effect after March of this year... For this reason, a lot of the teachers who have worked enough years to qualify for a pension are now leaving...

    It's the worst of both worlds for the Government, who will now have to pay pensions to teachers who would have been teaching, they lose a lot of experienced teachers, pay new teachers to take up whatever posts they fill.


  • #8
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    "You have two employees.. One is great and one is useless"..

    Was Pat alluding to himself and Tubridy there?


  • #9
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    omahaid wrote: »
    I'm confused. The CPA was agreed with the aim of maintaining PS pay by reducing numbers and maintaining the same level of services, is this correct? But now the gardai, teachers etc are saying that this can't be done? Does that mean the CPA has failed? Should we maintain the same numbers but reduce pay?

    There will be paycuts for new entrants at around 10%. As usual the older people who are already better off are looked after, the younger people (who'll have to pay back the loans we need to pay the older workers now) are the ones who get screwed over. It's the way of the world.


  • #10
    irishh_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


    amacachi wrote: »
    There will be paycuts for new entrants at around 10%. As usual the older people who are already better off are looked after, the younger people (who'll have to pay back the loans we need to pay the older workers now) are the ones who get screwed over. It's the way of the world.

    ireland is ageist , against the young , unfortunatley the young seem to support the policy of spoiling the old


  • #11
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    That chap is making a lot of sense....

    (He wont be allowed on the show again)..


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  • #12
    omahaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    Yer man in the blue shirt + glasses deserves a medal for what he said, no reform as usual, just people padding their own nest.


  • #13
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    omahaid wrote: »
    Yer man in the blue shirt + glasses deserves a medal for what he said, no reform as usual, just people padding their own nest.

    He's bang on with his point about the "types" of people that will leave.. The people who will leave are those who have the confidence in their own ability and work ethic that they will pick up work somewhere else... It is the worst employees that will not want to leave, and they will just hang on in there, knowing they cant be made redundant...

    Like I said, worst possible deal for the Government and worst value for money for the taxpayers... The unions really should hang their heads in shame...


  • #14
    irishh_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


    omahaid wrote: »
    Yer man in the blue shirt + glasses deserves a medal for what he said, no reform as usual, just people padding their own nest.

    and completley shameless about doing so


  • #15
    irishh_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    He's bang on with his point about the "types" of people that will leave.. The people who will leave are those who have the confidence in their own ability and work ethic that they will pick up work somewhere else... It is the worst employees that will not want to leave, and they will just hang on in there, knowing they cant be made redundant...

    Like I said, worst possible deal for the Government and worst value for money for the taxpayers... The unions really should hang their heads in shame...

    ultimate responsibility rests with the goverment who made this lousy deal with the unions


  • #16
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,063 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    You all seem to have made very bad career choices.


  • #17
    omahaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    tayto lover wrote: »
    You all seem to have made very bad career choices.

    What do you mean?


  • #18
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    God I'm getting Sinn Féin and their populist crap... As if they had any solutions to Ireland's problems.. They shouldnt even be given a seat on any realistic discussion panel


  • #19
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,063 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    God I'm getting Sinn Féin and their populist crap... As if they had any solutions to Ireland's problems.. They shouldnt even be given a seat on any realistic discussion panel

    I don't like them but could they actually do any worse than what we have/had ?


  • #20
    NinjaK
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭NinjaK


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    God I'm getting Sinn Féin and their populist crap... As if they had any solutions to Ireland's problems.. They shouldnt even be given a seat on any realistic discussion panel

    nonsense. They are not the ones who are destroying this country.


  • #21
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    NinjaK wrote: »
    nonsense. They are not the ones who are destroying this country.

    Sinn Féin say that they would tell the bondholders to fk off... There is NOT the remotest chance that they would risk social welfare payments and the wages of public sector employees...


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