Does anyone else miss the old Irish Rolling Stock?

Alan_H

Old classic trains :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIE_141_Class

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IE_201_Class

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mk2_colbert.JPG

^ to name 3

but the new trains don't have character??
Am I right ??


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IE_DMU_2751.JPG





Also where and when did / do irish rail operate this one??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2722_irishrail.jpg

I've never seen it in my neck of the woods

Judgement Day

Alan_H wrote: »

Also where and when did / do irish rail operate this one??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2722_irishrail.jpg

I've never seen it in my neck of the woods

It's a 2700 class repainted in 'inter-city' livery for use on the WRC.

Alan_H

How come I'm not allowed to "add thanks" to the gents comment above?? I just opened my account a few mins ago

Alan_H

Judgement Day wrote: »

It's a 2700 class repainted in 'inter-city' livery for use on the WRC.

what's WRC?

Judgement Day

Alan_H wrote: »

what's WRC?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Railway_Corridor

AngryLips

The older rolling stock had comfier seats ...but apart from that, no.

Run_to_da_hills

Alan_H wrote: »

what's WRC?

Worthless Rail Corridor.

Alan_H

AngryLips wrote: »

The older rolling stock had comfier seats ...but apart from that, no.

what do you prefer about the new over the old??

Run_to_da_hills

I wouldn't describe a 201 as a Classic.

Cookie_Monster

Deisel (or Elec)locos and carraiges will always be better than MU for me, same way some people are nostalgic about steam.

A lot of it has to do with the era you grew up in I suppose.

foggy_lad

Alan_H wrote: »

what do you prefer about the new over the old??

It is quieter cleaner and easier to keep clean, it is far more comfortable and appears much more reliable than the old wrecks that used to rattle away between Waterford and Dublin which often terminated around Carlow due to never ending problems. Brighter warmer etc etc etc no comparison between what we have now and the old wrecks that are waiting to be scrapped in Dublin and Waterford.

Cookie_Monster

foggy_lad wrote: »

It is quieter cleaner and easier to keep clean, it is far more comfortable and appears much more reliable than the old wrecks that used to rattle away between Waterford and Dublin which often terminated around Carlow due to never ending problems. Brighter warmer etc etc etc no comparison between what we have now and the old wrecks that are waiting to be scrapped in Dublin and Waterford.

In my experience MUs are far less comfortable than mk3s, there is no way they are quieter, apart from maybe the 22ks, the rest roar away merrily from just under your feet rather than an isolated engine. How are they any easier to keep clean? Same shape as a carraige, use same washers, same basic interior layout too.

Run_to_da_hills

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Deisel (or Elec)locos and carraiges will always be better than MU for me, same way some people are nostalgic about steam.

A lot of it has to do with the era you grew up in I suppose.

Except for NIR Class 80's

Cookie_Monster

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I wouldn't describe a 201 as a Classic.

Ah but it is, it's a classic example of IE incompetance and waste, buying a loco totally unsuited to Irish trackwork and then storing a third of them long term after barely breaking them in.:D

dublinman1990

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I wouldn't describe a 201 as a Classic.

And it's does not refer to the title of your thread either. They are certainly not gone by any means. The 201 class are only with IE for 15 years, and they are still with them on the Belfast Enterprise and Cork Trains from Dublin.

The trains I miss are the 121 class locos.

I had them pulling my train before in the early 90's when going on it from Connolly Station to Mosney and then on the return journey back. They were very noticeable walking around the camp when I had an opportunity to see them.

Oddly enough, I was going on a holiday to Cobh and went on a Dublin to Cork train just before the Mark IV sets were commissioned. The train had the Mark III coaches, that was grand, however, the loco was in Enterprise livery when I had seen the train switching tracks at Cork.

I'd suspect that is a rarity now these days.

crushproof

Why are you bringing up questions you've previously asked on this forum?!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75653809

Cookie_Monster

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Oddly enough, I was going on a holiday to Cobh and went on a Dublin to Cork train just before the Mark IV sets were commissioned. The train had the Mark III coaches, that was grand, however, the loco was in Enterprise livery when I had seen the train switching tracks at Cork.

I'd suspect that is a rarity now these days.

no, enterprise locos are frequently seen on other duties as loco requirements require. The increased load of enterprise trains (HEP) puts extra strain on the locos so they are rotated to minimise it.

Victor

Do I miss old rolling stock? No, not really.

Sure, there different classes had their own nuances, but painting everything more or less the same orange colour scheme got rid of much of the external identifiability. Sure, some of them were well built, but most were showing their age and withdrawal was inevitable eventually. While some had life left in them, so interiors had suffered a lot of time and at least some refurbishment is needed.

gawker

They are gone?

I remember plenty a trip to Dublin for college on the Mk2 carriage and thought it was cozy. Before I emigrated the newer trains started to take over alot more and I really didn't like them, but then again never had a chance to get use to them.

Out of interest, are all the Mk2 carriages gone? Where to?

Victor

Most scrapped, but I'm sure the RPSI have a few.

Plenty of Mark 3s in storage.

Cookie_Monster

Victor wrote: »

, but painting everything more or less the same orange colour scheme got rid of much of the external identifiability.

:eek:
Clearly you're not as into your trains as most of us around here

Niles

gawker wrote: »

They are gone?

I remember plenty a trip to Dublin for college on the Mk2 carriage and thought it was cozy. Before I emigrated the newer trains started to take over alot more and I really didn't like them, but then again never had a chance to get use to them.

Out of interest, are all the Mk2 carriages gone? Where to?

Most of the mk2d (vacuum braked) carriages were scrapped in 2008. The RPSI has three, 5106, 5203 and State Saloon 5408 (the latter is on loan rather than actually owned by the RPSI). The first two are being overhauled at Whitehead. The RPSI also have some former NIR and imported BR mk2s (full list here).

Of the less common (secondhand ex-BR) air-braked mk2 coaches (in service from early 90s-2003), there's a few preserved as grounded bodies (no bogies) at the West Clare Railway and Waterford & Suir Valley Railway.

SeanW

I kinda miss the Mark 2Ds, old fashioned but they were nice. Comfy, squashy seats, very warm, sounded nice going over jointed rail.