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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,200 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    we all know and love Kevin Smith the man behind Clerks and silent Bob of silent bob and Jay fame.
    I'm a big fan.. but I think the majority of people despise him! :D

    Looking forward to this anyways.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    Basq wrote: »
    I'm a big fan.. but I think the majority of people despise him! :D

    How come?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,200 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    How come?
    Don't get me wrong.. I like him!

    But a lot of people are irked by him - his declining quality of movies, he often comes across as slightly arrogant, and his terrible attitude towards movie studios in the distribution of Red State... I could go on!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Syferus


    Red State is well regarded, though, and few would have much sympathy for the plight of major studios. His Smogcast podcasts are wildly popular too so it's a real mis-characterisation to say most 'despise' or even disike him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,200 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    Syferus wrote: »
    Red State is well regarded, though, and few would have much sympathy for the plight of major studios. His Smodcast podcasts are wildly popular too do I think it's a real mis-characterisation to say most 'despise' or even disike him.
    FYP! ;)

    I'm a big Kevin Smith fan.. anyone who knows me knows that but the way in which he went about the Red State thing was the first thing he's ever done that REALLY bothered me. The whole bidding thing came across as downright childish!

    I did however like Red State.

    Read a couple of recent threads on him.. you'll see bad comments outweigh the good for the most part.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Syferus


    I'd agree there's vitriol there but when you move in the crowd Smith does it tends to come with the territory, nevermind him being out-spoken. A run of a couple successful productions and he'll be everyone's favourite person again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,200 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    Syferus wrote: »
    I'd agree there's vitriol there but when you move in the crowd Smith does it tends to come with the territory, nevermind him being out-spoken. A run of a couple successful productions and he'll be everyone's favourite person again.
    While I love his tell-all attitude towards the movie industry - as his 'Evening With' DVD's and 'Silent Bob Speaks' book goes into detail with - the phrase "don't bite the hand that feeds" comes to mind.
    Syferus wrote: »
    A run of a couple successful productions and he'll be everyone's favourite person again.
    Hasn't he already said 'Hit Somebody' will be his final film? At the end of the day, he's making enough with the Smodcast network (etc) to live comfortably for the near future.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I like Smith but find that he has far too much ego for his own good at times. Red State was a mess of a film, it seemed to be constantly in search of a central theme and tried to jump from genre to genre with disastrous results. The last scene ranks as one of the poorest in the history of cinema, just a lazy, contrived and poorly written one. He also didn't help himself with the posts he made on twitter and elsewhere regarding why he felt Red State and it's stars deserved award recognition. It just stank of pure ego and a film maker who refuses to accept any that just maybe his film wasn't really that good and not that the worlds critics were out to get him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,734 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Really looking forward to this. Tell 'em Steve Dave is one of my favourite podcasts (hence the avatar and signature) so I already know how funny some of these guys can be. Should be a good show. Looking forward to it.


    As for Kevin Smith, I'm a huge fan, but I agree with Basq that even though a lot of the time he's right in what he's trying to do, he just goes about it the wrong way. His Sundance speech (I just watched it again at the weekend on the Red State bluray) had some good points, but was ruined by the fake auction which sapped all the attention away from what he was really trying to get across, and any positive attention he would have gotten turned to negative. Instead of the auction, he could have just said that after the screening, he was going to make an announcement.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's good to see that others were just as disappointed with Red State as I was. While bits of it were good, it just wasn't anything great. The ending just annoyed the hell out of me.

    Wasn't he in another failed TV show a few years ago?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,968 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Definitely looking forward to this. Anyone going to Jay and Bob in the Olympia? I was gonna go but really bad seats left for both days so won't bother. Raging I didn't book em earlier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,734 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    It's good to see that others were just as disappointed with Red State as I was. While bits of it were good, it just wasn't anything great. The ending just annoyed the hell out of me.

    Wasn't he in another failed TV show a few years ago?

    There was a Clerks cartoon which I think only lasted 2 or 3 episodes. Other than that, I can't remember anything.

    I actually really liked Red State, including the ending. It's designed to jump from going in one direction to another to another. Most of the acting and scenes were terrific (Michael Parks and John Goodman were great), and bar a few bits which didn't really gel that great (Stephen Root's character was a general annoyance), I thought it was Smith's best film since Clerks 2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,200 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    Penn wrote: »
    There was a Clerks cartoon which I think only lasted 2 or 3 episodes. Other than that, I can't remember anything.
    No, there was definitely a pilot that was never picked up..

    EDIT: This was it - Manchild - he starred in it but didn't direct, write etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,734 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Basq wrote: »
    No, there was definitely a pilot that was never picked up..

    EDIT: This was it - Manchild - he starred in it but didn't direct, write etc.

    Oh yeah. I actually did see that. It was alright. Nothing spectacular, but seemed like it might be a runner. If I remember correctly, Showtime decided to go with Californication instead. You're right, I didn't remember it because he didn't write or direct it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,734 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Anyone watch this yet?

    I thought it was great. Kinda slow to start off and may have been a mistake to jump right into "What female superhero would you do?" which would probably put a lot of people off, but for the most part, I thought it was really funny, and the bits where people brought in stuff was interesting.

    The podcast sections were great too, and definitely made the guys seem more real than the usual setup of individually talking directly to a camera afterwards.

    Overall, I really enjoyed it. Probably predisposed to like it, but liked it nonetheless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,143 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    awful contrived.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭NotorietyH


    I found it dragged a hell of a lot, and was very heavily scripted. It was a bit all over the place too. Brian didn't come across to well on it I thought. Will probably keep watching jsut because i'm a Kevin Smith fan and to a lesser extent because I listen to Tell 'Em Steve Dave (though I'm not as much a fan as that as I used to be). Would be surprised if it got picked up for a second series.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm watching this now and the whole thing seems a bit.. odd. It's somewhat akin to things like Orange County Choppers and just doesn't feel natural to me in the slightest. Some funny parts but overall.. meh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,063 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Ugh, was looking forward to this as Id never heard of it before but it is brutal, all the fake reality cliches piled on top of each other, clueless people walking in off the street with pristine rare items and selling them right then and there on the basis of the information the person trying to buy it provides like they'd never heard of Google or Ebay, bad actors trying to pass of their scripted banter just like Pawn Stars, Storage Wars etc etc, couldnt even make it to the end of the third ep.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,734 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Thargor wrote: »
    Ugh, was looking forward to this as Id never heard of it before but it is brutal, all the fake reality cliches piled on top of each other, clueless people walking in off the street with pristine rare items and selling them right then and there on the basis of the information the person trying to buy it provides like they'd never heard of Google or Ebay, bad actors trying to pass of their scripted banter just like Pawn Stars, Storage Wars etc etc, couldnt even make it to the end of the third ep.

    No, the producers send out word (possibly on their site or to conventions etc) to have people come in on certain days they're filming if they want to buy or sell something rare. The producers then decide who comes in or not (to avoid people coming in with pure crap or stuff they've already had).

    Then while some aspects of the show are planned (in terms of the story between the selling/buying sections), there's little to no scripting. The guys know they have to say certain things to progress that story, but the rest they make up themselves. New producers were brought in for the first half of season two, but the guys (mostly Bryan and Walt) had them removed from the show because they kept trying to script the show and kept telling them to say certain jokes.

    I still enjoy the show. Some episodes are undoubtedly weaker than others, but I'm a huge fan of Bryan and Walt's podcast, and their humour translates over to the show very well. They made the right choice to reduce it down to a 23 minute show (excluding ads) as it flows a lot better and the episodes where there isn't a sub-story and instead there's just more of the guys talking are much better.


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