Any Opinions on ceramic hubs

barry75

I have been looking a wheelsets with ceramic bearings,is there a substantial advantage for the price difference.Anyone have any opinion on these.The wheelsets are Fast Forward
Cheers Barry

tomasrojo

There was a discussion late last year. I think the conclusion was that their advantages were small and outweighed by expense and higher maintenance.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055978720http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055978720

Murph100

Hi Barry,



More marketing hype to get more money out of you. Even the kings of marketing hype Zipp, have said ceramic bearings have no advantage over top quality steel bearings.

Now that being said there are a lot of wheelsets out there with cheap hubs and crap bearings, but in the case of Fast Forward, their standard hubs are terrific. I've read somewhere from a bike mech in the know, that Vacansoleil DCM actually use the standard hubs, but with the DT Swiss decals to keep the Fast Forward & Dt Swiss marketing Depts happy.

I've a F6/F4 set with the regular hubs and they're fantastic. Don't waste your money on the ceramic options. Also the regular FFWD hubs build into stiffer wheel than with the DT Swiss.

If you want to fry yer noodle have a read of this :

http://fairwheelbikes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=6940

barry75

Thanks lads for the replys
Mind is made up no going to go for the standard hubs in the Fast Forward wheelset F4R.Cant justify the different in price at 200e for ceramic hubs.
Now need to find tubulars at a good price Continental Competition anyone buy these at a bargain price recently?

AstraMonti

+1 on the ceramic bearings. I have them on my crankset and I can tell no difference with a chain on. Just save yourself the 200euro.

If you are going to spend 60+ on tubs, why don't you go for Veloflex/FMB?

07Lapierre

Your wallet will be a bit lighter!

Murph100

Cant help you with the Contis I'm afraid. I only use Veloflex Carbon 22s which I get from bike-palast :

http://www.bike-palast.com/en/Racebike/Tires/Tubulars/Veloflex-Carbon-tubular-tire.html

Wicked tyre and a very good price there, finding the Vittoria Mastik One cement is another story though, I had to get mine in from Holland.

Murph100

Just to feck with your head , you can get a mixed set for the same money if you ask. I've an f6r in the back with an f4r in the front. Only adds about 40g over a full f4r wheelset, but will give you a stiffer rear wheel ( not saying the f4r aint stiff btw), yet still not be worried about crosswinds as you'll have the 38mm in the front.

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kumate_champ07

Murph100 wrote: »

Cant help you with the Contis I'm afraid. I only use Veloflex Carbon 22s which I get from bike-palast :

http://www.bike-palast.com/en/Racebike/Tires/Tubulars/Veloflex-Carbon-tubular-tire.html

Wicked tyre and a very good price there, finding the Vittoria Mastik One cement is another story though, I had to get mine in from Holland.

jedisports have a veloflex sale on
I have some vittoria mastik, Ill check later where I got it, was from the UK and 3 possible sources

Murph100

About the same price as bike-palast .... PHEW !! Thought the credit card was gonna get a hammering there


I bought a whole box of the Mastic One tubes the last time, so I'm sorted for a year or two ... ( famous last words :roll eyes: )

AstraMonti

And can someone please change the title? This "cermanic" messes up my head!

barry75

AstraMonti wrote: »

And can someone please change the title? This "cermanic" messes up my head!

Done
Sorry crap at spelling:o

kumate_champ07

Murph100 wrote: »

About the same price as bike-palast .... PHEW !! Thought the credit card was gonna get a hammering there


I bought a whole box of the Mastic One tubes the last time, so I'm sorted for a year or two ... ( famous last words :roll eyes: )

actually thats their normal price, got it mixed up with 'Challenge'
http://www.jedi-sports.de/product_info.php/info/p3738_Challenge-Criterium-Tubular-Tire-28x22mm-black.html
a few others reduced

Chips Lovell

Murph100 wrote: »

Cant help you with the Contis I'm afraid. I only use Veloflex Carbon 22s which I get from bike-palast :

http://www.bike-palast.com/en/Racebike/Tires/Tubulars/Veloflex-Carbon-tubular-tire.html

Wicked tyre and a very good price there, finding the Vittoria Mastik One cement is another story though, I had to get mine in from Holland.

That's a nice price for Veloflex. I'd be minded to try them next when my current pair wear out.

Why the search for Mastik? Do they have the same latex layer over the base tape that Vittorias have?

Murph100

They're the business, and the clincher version ( Corsa 22 )with Vredstein latex tubes is almost up there with the tubs.

General consensus is to use Mastic One with Veloflex, Vittoria and in fact with anything other than Conti. Have a quick read through the 125 page Glueing Tubulars thread over on Weight Weenies

Fedgrove and Geoff being the Gurus

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

That's a nice price for Veloflex. I'd be minded to try them next when my current pair wear out.

Why the search for Mastik? Do they have the same latex layer over the base tape that Vittorias have?

Chips Lovell

Is it cotton or latex-covered base tape?

Murph100

Very thin layer of Latex

kumate_champ07

so , whats the best way to get mastik one out of a new pair of jeans?!

it didnt come out during the wash, Ive seen 3g tube of glue remover but thats the same price as the jeans(10 in pennys sales)