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Health Chief to get 400K PAYOUT+PENSION

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    He'll need it to pay for his private health insurance don't ya know?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    When was the last time a school was shut? I don't remember hearing about any? And this being AH we would have had a few threads on it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    When was the last time a school was shut? I don't remember hearing about any? And this being AH we would have had a few threads on it.

    They are proposing closures of one-teacher schools.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,037 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    This is one of the main reasons that we keep paying all these bonds

    It is to keep the elite cocooned from the recession

    they are destroying the state like they have done since its foundation


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭scurnane


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Is there no end to this?

    It has emerged a lump sum severance payment of €430,000 is to be paid to the outgoing Secretary General of the Department of Health, Michael Scanlan.

    According to reports, the 55-year-old will receive the massive pay-out when he retires in April at the end of his seven-year term in office.

    He will also qualify for a pension of more than €107,000 after 38 years in the civil service.

    Read more: http://BREAKINGNEWS.IE/ireland/health-chief-to-get-430k-severance-pay-in-april-537191.html#ixzz1kTcM7lKc
    http://BREAKINGNEWS.IE/ireland/health-chief-to-get-430k-severance-pay-in-april-537191.html

    In stark contrast to last November:

    PENSION benefits for future top civil servants are being radically reformed to prevent high ranking officials walking away with controversial golden goodbyes.

    Secretaries general, the most senior government staff, will be barred from early retirement or generous severance payments on top of a €200,000 wage cap.

    Brendan Howlin, Minister for Public Sector Expenditure and Reform, said the salary and benefit limits will be in place for 12 months before being reassessed.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/no-more-golden-handshakes-civil-servants-wave-goodbye-to-generous-severance-payments-2928902.html

    What a joke shop of a Government. Wards being closed, scools being shut and underfunded, E1.2Bn going to anonymous unsecured bondholders, and yet one man can get a lump of E400k?

    FFS.:mad:

    The rest of the report on what Howlin said includes the following:

    The reforms to the Top Level Appointment Committee (Tlac) terms take effect on all newly appointed secretaries general from today.

    Under existing arrangements these high-ranking officials can retire early with an immediate pension, added years top-up payments and severance money.


    So they have changed it for people promoted into that position - whereas he was in the position for the last 7 years.

    Still way too much of a gratuity and a pension for anyone to get.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    This is one of the main reasons that we keep paying all these bonds

    It is to keep the elite cocooned from the recession

    they are destroying the state like they have done since its foundation

    Agree 100%. A greedy circle going round and round.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 347 ✭✭quietriot


    This is one of the main reasons that we keep paying all these bonds

    It is to keep the elite cocooned from the recession

    they are destroying the state like they have done since its foundation
    Er, what?

    What do the bonds have to do with a member of our civil service?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    quietriot wrote: »
    Er, what?

    What do the bonds have to do with a member of our civil service?

    I'd say not with just one member. Rather the whole CS/PS protectionism issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 347 ✭✭quietriot


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    I'd say not with just one member. Rather the whole CS/PS protectionism issue.
    How does paying €2bn in bonds to people mainly outside the country aid the pay of those in our PS/CS?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    quietriot wrote: »
    How does paying €2bn in bonds to people mainly outside the country aid the pay of those in our PS/CS?

    OK. Little economic lesson. We're borrowing over E400m a week to 'keep the country going', i.e. pay Civil Servants and PS workers, among other things.

    The bond is being paid because the bondholder's buddies are probably loaning us the weekly 400m.

    Therefore you can't tell the bondholder to fcuk off. Look at the remarks passed in the past two days about financial bombs in Dublin. Especially from those European cnuts.

    So you keep borrowing 400m a week to prop up the CS/PS (while everyone else suffers, mainly the people being made redundant as people lose their jobs).

    The CS/PS toddles along on its merry way 'honouring contracts' even though the country doesn't have a pot to pi$$ in.

    Simples?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 347 ✭✭quietriot


    No, it's pretty clear you've no idea what you're talking about.

    Thankfully those controlling the release of the bond payments and our other economic affairs do, and I'll trust their opinion on the matter over someone who is grasping at straws desperately hoping that it's the bondholders "buddies" that are lending us money and that if we don't pay the bondholders, they'll go and have their "buddies" cut us off.

    Simples? No, you've shown here and previously that you like life to be as simple as possible, however the reality of the matter is much more complex than you'll ever understand.

    You've shown your hand, it's desperate, so I'm not going to engage on the topic further.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    Just waiting for the news of XYZ job cuts in the Health service now.

    I'm sure, the minister for employment will do his best to facilitate one of his mates once again :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    quietriot wrote: »
    No, it's pretty clear you've no idea what you're talking about.

    Thankfully those controlling the release of the bond payments and our other economic affairs do, and I'll trust their opinion on the matter over someone who is grasping at straws desperately hoping that it's the bondholders "buddies" that are lending us money and that if we don't pay the bondholders, they'll go and have their "buddies" cut us off.

    Simples? No, you've shown here and previously that you like life to be as simple as possible, however the reality of the matter is much more complex than you'll ever understand.

    You've shown your hand, it's desperate, so I'm not going to engage on the topic further.

    You really do not have a clue, do you? You are prepared to defend paying monies back to someone who basically placed a bet on a horse called the property market. It lost. And they're looking for the stake back.

    There is NO complexity. Even though some extremely gullible individuals like to dress it up as such.

    This is as simple as it gets.

    Simples indeed. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 347 ✭✭quietriot


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    You really do not have a clue, do you? You are prepared to defend paying monies back to someone who basically placed a bet on a horse called the property market. It lost. And they're looking for the stake back.

    There is NO complexity. Even though some extremely gullible individuals like to dress it up as such.

    This is as simple as it gets.

    Simples indeed. :)
    Freddie, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to ignore you going forward. You've shown yourself to be completely ignorant on science, economics and politics and that talking to you is a waste of time and effort.

    Go read a book, and not the bible, you'd be surprised by some of the things you can learn. I understand that not everyone gets an equal education but you appear to be one of the most educationally deprived people I've ever interacted with.

    Best of luck with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Lars1916 wrote: »
    Just waiting for the news of XYZ job cuts in the Health service now.

    I'm sure, the minister for employment will do his best to facilitate one of his mates once again :mad:


    I'll see if I can root out the piece I read earlier but there were job losses in a hospital with 700 nurses to go reported today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭kincsem


    He is in the Frontline ...

    for a massive undeserved cash gift.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    scurnane wrote: »
    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Is there no end to this?

    It has emerged a lump sum severance payment of €430,000 is to be paid to the outgoing Secretary General of the Department of Health, Michael Scanlan.

    According to reports, the 55-year-old will receive the massive pay-out when he retires in April at the end of his seven-year term in office.

    He will also qualify for a pension of more than €107,000 after 38 years in the civil service.

    Read more: http://BREAKINGNEWS.IE/ireland/health-chief-to-get-430k-severance-pay-in-april-537191.html#ixzz1kTcM7lKc
    http://BREAKINGNEWS.IE/ireland/health-chief-to-get-430k-severance-pay-in-april-537191.html

    In stark contrast to last November:

    PENSION benefits for future top civil servants are being radically reformed to prevent high ranking officials walking away with controversial golden goodbyes.

    Secretaries general, the most senior government staff, will be barred from early retirement or generous severance payments on top of a €200,000 wage cap.

    Brendan Howlin, Minister for Public Sector Expenditure and Reform, said the salary and benefit limits will be in place for 12 months before being reassessed.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/no-more-golden-handshakes-civil-servants-wave-goodbye-to-generous-severance-payments-2928902.html

    What a joke shop of a Government. Wards being closed, scools being shut and underfunded, E1.2Bn going to anonymous unsecured bondholders, and yet one man can get a lump of E400k?

    FFS.:mad:

    The rest of the report on what Howlin said includes the following:

    The reforms to the Top Level Appointment Committee (Tlac) terms take effect on all newly appointed secretaries general from today.

    Under existing arrangements these high-ranking officials can retire early with an immediate pension, added years top-up payments and severance money.


    So they have changed it for people promoted into that position - whereas he was in the position for the last 7 years.

    Still way too much of a gratuity and a pension for anyone to get.

    Does that mean w have to watch as they all retire early with big pensions and payouts until they are all gone? How many more are there?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭kincsem


    Hijpo wrote: »
    Does that mean w have to watch as they all retire early with big pensions and payouts until they are all gone? How many more are there?
    If a brave frontline public service worker joined in 2011 at age 18 my guess is they retire at 65 in 2011+(65-18)=2058 with a massive lump sum.

    Please tell me I am wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭aligator_am


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Is there no end to this?

    It has emerged a lump sum severance payment of €430,000 is to be paid to the outgoing Secretary General of the Department of Health, Michael Scanlan.

    According to reports, the 55-year-old will receive the massive pay-out when he retires in April at the end of his seven-year term in office.

    He will also qualify for a pension of more than €107,000 after 38 years in the civil service.

    Read more: http://BREAKINGNEWS.IE/ireland/health-chief-to-get-430k-severance-pay-in-april-537191.html#ixzz1kTcM7lKc
    http://BREAKINGNEWS.IE/ireland/health-chief-to-get-430k-severance-pay-in-april-537191.html

    In stark contrast to last November:

    PENSION benefits for future top civil servants are being radically reformed to prevent high ranking officials walking away with controversial golden goodbyes.

    Secretaries general, the most senior government staff, will be barred from early retirement or generous severance payments on top of a €200,000 wage cap.

    Brendan Howlin, Minister for Public Sector Expenditure and Reform, said the salary and benefit limits will be in place for 12 months before being reassessed.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/no-more-golden-handshakes-civil-servants-wave-goodbye-to-generous-severance-payments-2928902.html

    What a joke shop of a Government. Wards being closed, scools being shut and underfunded, E1.2Bn going to anonymous unsecured bondholders, and yet one man can get a lump of E400k?

    FFS.:mad:

    Just wondering, what would happen if he, and his entire family met with an accident? would the money go back to the state or would that be dictated by the will?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Just wondering, what would happen if he, and his entire family met with an accident? would the money go back to the state or would that be dictated by the will?

    Don't know really. I would presume his spouse would still be entitled to the pension. There really are some strange things with PS pension. For example, in some sectors, if someone retires, each time their replacement gets a rise, so do they.Nice cosy number.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    shows how little has changed over the last year, the exactly same cronyism is still rampant.
    can't wait til we get REAL change at the next general election


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    shows how little has changed over the last year, the exactly same cronyism is still rampant.
    can't wait til we get REAL change at the next general election

    But, sigh, what is the alternative. The Shinners?:confused:


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