The City Arms Pub

Dub12Dave

The city arms pub in prussia street, Dublin. was it known by another name back in the mid 60,s and if so what was that name, thank you.

Sir Oxman

Dub12Dave wrote: »

The city arms pub in prussia street, Dublin. was it known by another name back in the mid 60,s and if so what was that name, thank you.

Pretty sure it was The Bannerman or The Banner?

tony 2 tone

Was that not further down towards the city centre? Its now called Hynes. The only name I remeber on the City Arms was Clarkes.

Sir Oxman

tony 2 tone wrote: »

Was that not further down towards the city centre? Its now called Hynes. The only name I remeber on the City Arms was Clarkes.

Yeah, think you're right actually.

desmond tutu

was it not called o'neills or conways back then.

Hootanany

The big house beside it was the original home of the Jameson family

nudger

Hootanany wrote: »

The big house beside it was the original jome of the Jameson family

Are you talking about the whiskey people, if you are then, no, that was Eglington road.

BeerNut

nudger wrote: »

Are you talking about the whiskey people, if you are then, no, that was Eglington road.

What date did they move there? I found a reference to them building Montrose House in Donnybrook in 1837, but they seem to have lived in Prussia Street in the late 1700s, probably around the time John took over the Bow Street Distillery. There are Wexford connections as well, and they owned a few distilleries down that way too. Where does Eglinton Road fit in? The housing stock there now looks Victorian.

The big house, after the Jamesons left, was the City Arms hotel. The little pub which bears the name now looks to have been a much later add-on to the complex.

Hootanany

The Hotel was their House in 1700's

nudger

BeerNut wrote: »

What date did they move there? I found a reference to them building Montrose House in Donnybrook in 1837, but they seem to have lived in Prussia Street in the late 1700s, probably around the time John took over the Bow Street Distillery. There are Wexford connections as well, and they owned a few distilleries down that way too. Where does Eglinton Road fit in? The housing stock there now looks Victorian.

The big house, after the Jamesons left, was the City Arms hotel. The little pub which bears the name now looks to have been a much later add-on to the complex.

I met Lady Jameson in the mid 70s in the house on Eglington road, my aunt was the house cook.
The house was in my eyes very old 1800s and Lady J looked a very good age and had lived there all her life.
But if you are going back 250 years then I stand corrected.

Sorry Hootanany.

david75

Clarke's City Arms is what it's known as in James Joyce's Ulysses. heard something about it not being able to be renamed as a result of it's mention in the book, but it attracting tons of visitors owing to same.

BeerNut

david75 wrote: »

Clarke's City Arms is what it's known as in James Joyce's Ulysses.

It's not (here's the full searchable text), it's just the City Arms, and it's referring to the big hotel next door rather than the modern pub.

--Not a word, says Joe. I was up at that meeting in the City Arms.

---What was that, Joe? says I.

--Cattle traders, says Joe, about the foot and mouth disease. I want togive the citizen the hard word about it.

david75

is it not down as Clarkes City Arms? I might have the wrong book. Heard about it on the radio last year at some stage.

BeerNut

Have a look for yourself, but there are several references to it, none including the Clarke's name.

david75

I wish. Sadly i've tried going at that book in several states of sobriety ad inebriation and it's beaten me everytime. Someday.

BeerNut

david75 wrote: »

I wish.

I linked to a text file of the whole thing a couple of posts ago. Ctrl+F and look for "City Arms". There are a few references, but none with Clarke's, that I could see.

david75

My folks drink there, and i'm almost sure the pub was there before the hotel, for whatever that's worth. the hotel building is still there, not sure what function it serves now, if any.

BeerNut

It's the Free University of Ireland.

david75

Pissing match aside, a Joycean scholar on a radio show said because it's named in Ulysses, no changed can be made to the frontage of the pub. 'City Arms' is still above the door. Is all I was saying.

Hootanany

david75 wrote: »

Pissing match aside, a Joycean scholar on a radio show said because it's named in Ulysses, no changed can be made to the frontage of the pub. 'City Arms' is still above the door. Is all I was saying.

It had a new Shopfront 2 years ago brand spanking one.

mconroyryan

The City Arms hotel was owned by John Conroy (from Rosscommon) around 1910 & onwards, I believe Joyce wrote parts of Ulysses there, as he was his friend. How do I know, well now, my granfather was John Conroy's nephew.

BeerNut

mconroyryan wrote: »

I believe Joyce wrote parts of Ulysses there

Nah, Joyce left Ireland forever in 1912 and didn't start Ulysses until about 1915.

desmond tutu

mconroyryan wrote: »

The City Arms hotel was owned by John Conroy (from Rosscommon) around 1910 & onwards, I believe Joyce wrote parts of Ulysses there, as he was his friend. How do I know, well now, my granfather was John Conroy's nephew.

was it named conroys in the 60's to answer the original question.

unir1916

was referred to over the years as the hayloft,think it had something to do with the cattlemarket that was on the site of the housing estate right behind the pub,but dont think this was ever its "offical"name

Sofiaghio

Hi!
I wanted to know if anyone knew more about the owner of City of arms pub in Dublin. My great grandfather was Gerald Conroy and I heard that his father owned a pub in dublin... so I'm wondering now if John Conroy was his father or what not..
Can anyone help please ?? :-)
If so, thanks a bunch!!

desmond tutu

i know someone that had a drink there in the sixties i will check it out for you

Sofiaghio

Thank you soo much!! I cant wait!!

desmond tutu

the chap that i know said it was called conroys in the sixties.on two occasions he had a drink there way back then.he cant remember any names of the bar staff.his first time in the pub was about 1955 he would of been about 11 years old when his grandfather took him there,even back then he is convinced it was called conroys.i will try to find out more for you if i can.and let us know how you get on with your search sofiaghio

Sofiaghio

Thanks for the information! So far its been kind of difficult finding him. There are so many Conroys coming up. But I found his name in the electoral archives.. so there is some hope lol...

Hootanany

I know a barman that worked there for 22 years I will ask him when I see him again and post.

Sofiaghio

Thank you!! :-D

Hootanany

Sorry for taking so long asked the barman and as far as he can remember it has always been called City Arms, and asked another guy the one that told me about The Jameson residence beside it, A Conroy did own it at one stage. HTH.

Sofiaghio

Hey,
No problem! Thats exciting... so a Conroy did own the bar at one point... Im just wondering if he had kids... hmmm... do you know if theres a way i could find out somehow? Its hard finding stuff out coming from Canada :-( lol
Thank you for the information!! did your friend mention when the Conroy owned the bar??

Geniecon

John Conroy from Roscommon was listed in the 1911 census as a hotel proprietor aged 39 living with new wife Mary Hartigan. Address was 55 Prussia Street. They had a daughter Kathleen Mary later in 1911 and probably more children after that. John died 15/10/1948 and his address was City Arms Hotel, Prussia Street in 1948. His will was administered by a John P Conroy, also a hotel proprietor (probably his son). I came across this in the Wills Calendar books in the National Archives when looking for another John Conroy. I'm not related to these Conroys. Hope this helps.

Sofiaghio

Hey,
Thanks for the information it helps a lot... Im just wondering if the Gerald Conroy that was my great grandfather stole that name or fabricated it, since I havent found much on it except that he lived with a Josephine Conroy at 59 lismore road in 1939... in the dublin library and archive electoral lists, thats the only thing ive actually found on that name.. so far...
Thanks for the information again!!!

nudger

Hootanany wrote: »

I know a barman that worked there for 22 years I will ask him when I see him again and post.

Rasher?

Sofiaghio

what's Rasher?

nudger

A nickname for a barman that used to work in the pub but left 3 years ago.

Conroyfamily

The City Arms hotel was owned by John Conroy (from Rosscommon). He had 6 brothers all of whom done pretty well for themselves. As far as I know, he had a daughter called Mary. I don't think that he had any sons but I will find out. My granddad John (Jack) Conroy (1910-2003) worked for his uncle John Conroy in The City Arms Hotel.

Conroyfamily

John Conroy ( City Arms Hotel) was also a Knight of Columbanus.......

Hootanany

nudger wrote: »

Rasher?

Yes Rasher good friend of mine

aleclare

John Conroy the owner of City Arms Hotel married my wife's aunt Teresa Ennis from Collinstown County Westmeath in 1922. They had 3 children between 1924 and 1931

Geniecon

In reply to Aleclare; "John Conroy the owner of City Arms Hotel married my wife's aunt Teresa Ennis from Collinstown County Westmeath in 1922. They had 3 children between 1924 and 1931"

Not the same John. See irishgenealogy.ie for civil record of marriage of John Conroy, grocer, son of Michael, to Teresa Ennis, d/o Bernard.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1922/09210/5331693.pdf

aleclare

The marriage record quoted is that of my wife's aunt Teresa Ennis to John Conroy. His address is given as 103 Dorset Street. He owned that property in addition to the City Arms hotel. Teresa's address is given as 26 Wexford Street. She was living there with her sister Roseanne (Ennis) Dunne, wife of John Dunne. Roseanne (1880) and Teresa (1901) was born in Cummerstown, Collinstown, Westmeath.

Conroy Ryan Clan

In ref. to Geniecon reply, I can confirm that his/her information is accurate. John Conroy was the owner of The City Arms Hotel & also, Conroy's pub attached to the property. The cattle mart was on Prussia Street & the hotel was used by many farmers that travelled to Dublin to sell & buy cattle. If anyone wants anymore information in regard to this Conroy family originally from Rosscommon, please contact me. My great grandfather was James Conroy (Accountant/ owner of Conroy's Corner near the five lamps) the brother of Luke Conroy & John Conroy the proprietor of The City Arms Hotel & Conroy's Pub. There were 7 brothers that came from farming in Rosscommon. All came to Dublin, some bought pubs & also ran 7 day licences. My grandfather was named after John & actually worked for him in the pub & hotel. My great aunts & grandfather were very close to John Conroy's children.

Conroy Ryan Clan

It was also called Conroy's City Arms pub. It was also owned by the Jameson family prior to the Conroys.

Silvermines Search

Here is obit for Luke Conroy of Blackrock, brother of John Conroy, proprietor of City Arms.

Does anyone know the townland in Co Roscommon where these 7 Conroy brothers were born?

Irish Independent 1905-current, Wednesday, October 06, 1915 - Death of Luke Conroy, Blackrock from Strokestown, brother John of City Arms.png

Conroy Ryan Clan

No, I am sorry but that John Conroy did not own The City Arms Hotel. If you look at the cenus 1911 it clearly states that John Conroy & his wife Mary were the owners.