Torres would find his form at United or Spurs

shadowcomplex

I think for Torres to ever get back to the player he was he will have to leave Chelsea, there style of play just does not suit him. Imagine if he were at united with Valencia supplying from the right and Rooney as a partner, or Bale supplying at spurs. I think he'd clean up at either team, do you's agree?

Samich

Yes.

everdead.ie

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I think for Torres to ever get back to the player he was he will have to leave Chelsea, there style of play just does not suit him. Imagine if he were at united with Valencia supplying from the right and Rooney as a partner, or Bale supplying at spurs. I think he'd clean up at either team, do you's agree?

I think Torres would find his form with Harry as manager he needs confidence he's doing everything right except putting the ball in the net. He needs to stop playing the game outside of the box he should be doing his work only in the box.

killwill

Are ye two the same person?

EdenHazard

Chelsea really should stop trying to buy proven strikers, it doesn't work well for them.

Oh so that's where it has been hiding.

joshrogan

I think Liverpool should sign him, with Carroll and Torres upfront they'd have possibly the best strike force in the premiership.:pac:

EdenHazard

Bahahahahha. Potent or what!

shadowcomplex

Dónal wrote: »

Oh so that's where it has been hiding.

What are you smoking?

El Weirdo

Torres wouldn't find his form with a map and a compass.




Edit: I just know that's going to come back and bite me in the arse next weekend.

Liam O

Why limit it to United and Spurs, why not Arsenal with Arteta, Ramsey etc playing through balls for him like they do RvP? Why not the pass kings of Swansea with players like Britton and Dyer? Or why not Chelsea with Juan freaking Mata and Meireles there?...oh wait

His form isn't about what team he is on. In his last few months at Liverpool he was playing similarly, it's about confidence and luck to a certain degree.

tommyhaas

Liam O wrote: »

Why limit it to United and Spurs, why not Arsenal with Arteta, Ramsey etc playing through balls for him like they do RvP? Why not the pass kings of Swansea with players like Britton and Dyer? Or why not Chelsea with Juan freaking Mata and Meireles there?...oh wait

His form isn't about what team he is on. In his last few months at Liverpool he was playing similarly, it's about confidence and luck to a certain degree.

He was on form when he left Liverpool

YouTookMyName

Maybe

monkey9

tommyhaas wrote: »

He was on form when he left Liverpool

No he wasn't. Not really! Granted, he'd scored a few more goals towards the end than what he's done at Chelsea. But he wasn't on form.

We were still waiting on him to come back to the form he was at a year and a half previously.

The famous incident that Man U fans love to refer to as well as the anti-Rafa brigade was when he was subbed away to Birmingham and Gerrard made the famous expression.

Hell broke loose!!

Yet, in that match, we became better after he went off. We had chances that wouldn't occured had Torres still been on the pitch. That summer, Torres was sh!t in the the World Cup. It's almost as if Rafa had an iota!!

seanwhite20

Complete nonsense he plays for Spain ffs and look at the team he has around him and he still can't score!!!The chap didn't score one single goal in the WC, and since then i think he scored twice for Spain. He's been in decline for quite a while now...

tommyhaas

monkey9 wrote: »

No he wasn't. Not really! Granted, he'd scored a few more goals towards the end than what he's done at Chelsea. But he wasn't on form.

We were still waiting on him to come back to the form he was at a year and a half previously.

The famous incident that Man U fans love to refer to as well as the anti-Rafa brigade was when he was subbed away to Birmingham and Gerrard made the famous expression.

Hell broke loose!!

Yet, in that match, we became better after he went off. We had chances that wouldn't occured had Torres still been on the pitch. That summer, Torres was sh!t in the the World Cup. It's almost as if Rafa had an iota!!

He played well the last month, he did nothing at Old Trafford but we were a man down after something like half an hour there, so that's understandable, he got a decent goal on New Years day home to Bolton, and definitely one against Wolves, can't remember who else that month, but he certainly scored 3 or 4. Given that was the latter part of Roy's reign, and a month in which we were beaten by both Blackpool and the Blackburn abomination, it wasn't a bad return

I'm not saying he was at his peak, but he was scoring

YouTookMyName

He lost the bit of magic he had when he done his knee in march or april 2010.

I'd bet he'd score goals at Liverpool again.

ASOT

tommyhaas wrote: »

He played well the last month, he did nothing at Old Trafford but we were a man down after something like half an hour there, so that's understandable, he got a decent goal on New Years day home to Bolton, and definitely one against Wolves, can't remember who else that month, but he certainly scored 3 or 4. Given that was the latter part of Roy's reign, and a month in which we were beaten by both Blackpool and the Blackburn abomination, it wasn't a bad return

I'm not saying he was at his peak, but he was scoring

He scored more goals for us in the whole of 2011 calendar year despite only playing like 4/5 games.

tommyhaas

ASOT wrote: »

He scored more goals for us in the whole of 2011 calendar year despite only playing like 4/5 games.

I think that was league goals tbf, but still a shocking record. I saw he hit the bar last week just before Lampards goal, and again the week before from 30 yards. There's definitely a Liverpool player in there somewhere

shadowcomplex

seanwhite20 wrote: »

Complete nonsense he plays for Spain ffs and look at the team he has around him and he still can't score!!!The chap didn't score one single goal in the WC, and since then i think he scored twice for Spain. He's been in decline for quite a while now...

As Strange as it may seem Spain dont play the type of football that suits Torres

tommyhaas

shadowcomplex wrote: »

As Strange as it may seem Spain dont play the type of football that suits Torres

Yea, they play a system where they expect the centre forward to score :pac:

seanwhite20

tommyhaas wrote: »

Yea, they play a system where they expect the centre forward to score :pac:

Haha ya got there before me tommy! Fair play :pac:

jesus_thats_gre

seanwhite20 wrote: »

Complete nonsense he plays for Spain ffs and look at the team he has around him and he still can't score!!!The chap didn't score one single goal in the WC, and since then i think he scored twice for Spain. He's been in decline for quite a while now...

He was largely so so for Spain even when he was top class at Liverpool.

How Liverpool played suited Torres absolutely perfectly. Add Gerrard to the mix, who Rafa found the perfect position for, and the fact that he genuinely seemed to have a love for the club and you had the perfect storm.

jive

He'll be grand once he starts getting the rub of the green. Dry spells happen to all strikers, they rarely last this long though. He's only played 2 full games this year which is part of the problem. Give him a run in the team (esp. now since Drogba is away) and he will come good, IMO. I think he will start scoring soon enough, he has shown glimpses of his former self and hasn't been appalling like he was last year.

Time will tell.

seanwhite20

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

He was largely so so for Spain even when he was top class at Liverpool.

How Liverpool played suited Torres absolutely perfectly. Add Gerrard to the mix, who Rafa found the perfect position for, and the fact that he genuinely seemed to have a love for the club and you had the perfect storm.

Well yeah, he was never really all that for Spain. But come on. He's a striker playing at the best international team in the world. With the best passers of the ball in the world who can put it on a plate for him and he still skies it or hits it wide or trips over the ball!! His job is just to stick the ball in the back of the net. Its not rocket science.

If what your saying is the case does that mean carroll will never be the same without barton?:pac:

jesus_thats_gre

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

He was largely so so for Spain even when he was top class at Liverpool.

How Liverpool played suited Torres absolutely perfectly. Add Gerrard to the mix, who Rafa found the perfect position for, and the fact that he genuinely seemed to have a love for the club and you had the perfect storm.

To add to this, and I maintain that this is something that prompted the on field performances by the whole team that eventually led to Rafa's sacking, I really do think that he felt completely ****ed over by the club, i.e. he was lied to/misled/let down so much during the drawn out ownership saga that he felt disillusioned with the both the club and also football in general (I believe that both were major factors in how well he performed).

I have watched him so much at Chelsea and you can see that he still has it. People talk about confidence, as they did when he was at Liverpool, but I honestly think that this isn't it.

Take the Norwich game today and the wee toe poke that he tried in the first half. It was extremely cheeky and really wasn't something that someone lacking confidence would try.

What is missing is the love that he had for the game, for his previous clubs, how at home he felt, his role in the team and how the team is set up to play in general.

JPA

Torres was at his best when he could do one touch, bang, goal. 2 touch, bang, goal.

At Chelsea he has to do too much work and ends up losing the ball.
His confidence is gone as a result and it's kind of a vicious cycle.

kryogen

Torres has been playing well box to box tbh, he has been excellent at times, he seems to have lost a bit of confidence in shooting. When he starts to score again, fluke/genius, whatever it is, he will get back to the kind of player he once was.

Kenny Cunningham actually did a pretty good analysis on him from the Norwich game showing how good he was up until the actual finishing part

Only a matter of time before he starts firing again imo

~Rebel~

I think a lot is down to the way the team plays, and his role in that team, rather than the personnel around him.

Look at it this way. With Atleti, he played deeper, adding more to the team, but getting less goals as he wasn't in the box as much. He scored goals in patches, but not nearly as much as he did with Liverpool as soon as he joined.

Then he joined Rafa's team and his role immediately changed. As he's said, Rafa told him to live inside the box. He largely stopped trying to come deep to help with building attacks, and instead this role was left to Gerrard, with Torres being ready to take advantage. He didn't suddenly become a better player, he became a different cog in a different machine, and the two were very nicely in sync. Even when he had his attitude problems under Rafa, the consistent tactic of a high pressing game always suited him and he never failed to score, regardless of his slouching and whiney face at times.

When Hodgson came in, the formation changed again, with a more rigid system put in its place. He was still a centre forward, so in the area to score, but we weren't pressing high up the pitch as much anymore. His goal tally dropped accordingly - but still remained pretty decent. It's also telling that his best periods under Hodgson were when we were forced to press again, like the 2 late goals he got against Chelsea when Pool were finally pushing forward.

With the return of Kenny, a higher pressing game, and more quick tempo passing, we suddenly saw an immediate return of goals. We obviously all know he wasn't happy - it didn't matter, the system and role suited him and he was back scoring freely (we shouldn't forget the goal in his last game against Fulham which was classic Torres, but ruled out wrongly for offside).

Then he switched to Chelsea, where he just hasn't really settled into their system. He's kind of gone back to the style of play he had at Atleti, where he's trying to start a move and then be there to finish it too. And to be fair, I think he does this well quite a lot, but because he became a goalscorer in the meantime, it's not enough anymore. I think with the return of Essien, a midfield 3 of, say, Romeu at DM, Essien and Ramirez box to box and always pressing the opposition high up the pitch, and then Mata and a new winger supporting the play, with Torres staying centre forward, we could see his return.