Aer Arran pilot arrested in Bristol on drink charges prior to take off. .

Run_to_da_hills

"A pilot was arrested after failing a breath test minutes before he was due to fly a plane from Bristol to Ireland.

Worried airport staff called police when they saw the unnamed pilot walk through the passenger security gate rather than the designated crew entrance. He was not wearing his pilot's uniform and one source claimed he had gone to a hotel with a member of the cabin crew.

'He was taken to a nearby station and a second test was carried out, which he passed".

I doubt if he will be doing this again.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089368/Pilot-passenger-jet-arrested-minutes-boarding-flight-Bristol-Ireland-alcohol-limit.html

xflyer

So many things wrong with that story. He failed a breath test but passed later in the station. So he wasn't over the limit then? He went to a hotel with a member of the cabin crew. Since when is that a crime? I would have thought it nearly compulsory at some point in a pilot's career.;)

As for the photo, I'm no expert but that must be the new upgraded ATRs, looks a lot like an Airbus to me:rolleyes:

I wonder how this will play out. Over to PPRuNe for me.

Turbine

I know its pedantic, but its Aer Arann not Aer Arran.

Not that it matters anyway as it'll all be Aer Lingus Regional in 6 months time.

kona

Aer arann **** up and its Aer Lingus colours who get the blame....again.

vicwatson

xflyer wrote: »

So many things wrong with that story. He failed a breath test but passed later in the station. So he wasn't over the limit then? He went to a hotel with a member of the cabin crew. Since when is that a crime? I would have thought it nearly compulsory at some point in a pilot's career.;)

As for the photo, I'm no expert but that must be the new upgraded ATRs, looks a lot like an Airbus to me:rolleyes:

I wonder how this will play out. Over to PPRuNe for me.

It's the Daily Mail IT MUST BE TRUE:rolleyes:

Cessna_Pilot

Bull**** story if ever there was one. I hate this crap.

Tenger

"he was not in uniform", he had a "5-6 hour layover" and "he used the passenger security gate"

And he was the operating pilot? Doesn't add up

EDIT: Read on another site that RE operate ORK-BRS-SNN-BRS-ORK. So how was he hanging around Bristol for 5 hours?

cocoshovel

I refuse to believe any over hyped attention grabbing shíte newspapers write.

Run_to_da_hills

kona wrote: »

Aer arann **** up and its Aer Lingus colours who get the blame....again.

Aer Lingus should sue this rag for such a non story, the point about it is that he was not convicted of anything, The preliminary blow in bag test never hold in court even for road side tests.

sparrowcar

I have a great story about a similar incident, If i get a chance later I'll type it up.

Run_to_da_hills

They eventually got the plane right.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089368/Pilot-passenger-jet-arrested-minutes-boarding-flight-Bristol-Ireland-alcohol-limit.html

sparrowcar

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They eventually got the plane right.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089368/Pilot-passenger-jet-arrested-minutes-boarding-flight-Bristol-Ireland-alcohol-limit.html

Oh contraire, the headline states "Pilot of passenger jet arrested minutes before flying plane from Bristol to Ireland for 'being over alcohol limit"

An ATR ain't no jet

kona

sparrowcar wrote: »

Oh contraire, the headline states "Pilot of passenger jet arrested minutes before flying plane from Bristol to Ireland for 'being over alcohol limit"

An ATR ain't no jet

Turbo prop no?

sparrowcar

Correct

EASYNEWS

Non Story.

ohigg84

kona wrote: »

Aer arann **** up and its Aer Lingus colours who get the blame....again.

Yeah, wish Mueller would get some sense and ditch them..

Bring back Aer Lingus Commuter... With a fleet of ERJ's..

kona

ohigg84 wrote: »

Yeah, wish Mueller would get some sense and ditch them..

Bring back Aer Lingus Commuter... With a fleet of ERJ's..

Doubtful, as crap as Aer Aran seem to be, they are bringing people onto the EI transatlantic routes all while EI dont have to take the risk of buying new aircraft, training crews and maintenance etc, from a business POV it makes sense.

Still Aer Aran seem to be quite unprofessional.

sparrowcar

kona wrote: »

Still Aer Aran seem to be quite unprofessional.

Please do explain?

kona

sparrowcar wrote: »

Please do explain?

The behaviour of their pilots and cabin crew to begin with. Flew EI regional to manchester last month, A passenger had the air con outlet fall off in his hand, cabin crew member comes down and tries to put it back on, using glue.

Now, far be it from me but,

Is the Glue approved for use on the aircraft? Is the Cabin crew member qualified to go fixing things on the aircraft?

crazydaize

kona wrote: »

The behaviour of their pilots and cabin crew to begin with. Flew EI regional to manchester last month, A passenger had the air con outlet fall off in his hand, cabin crew member comes down and tries to put it back on, using glue.

Now, far be it from me but,

Is the Glue approved for use on the aircraft? Is the Cabin crew member qualified to go fixing things on the aircraft?

Bull****

kona

crazydaize wrote: »

Bull****

yea Im totally making it up:rolleyes:

Growler!!!

kona wrote: »

The behaviour of their pilots and cabin crew to begin with.

In fairness you can't tar everyone in an airline because of the actions of a few.

As for the glue story, I honestly don't know any cabin crew who have glue in their flight bags. It would be written in the cabin defect log and passed to Engineering.

Cessna_Pilot

kona wrote: »

The behaviour of their pilots and cabin crew to begin with. Flew EI regional to manchester last month, A passenger had the air con outlet fall off in his hand, cabin crew member comes down and tries to put it back on, using glue.

Now, far be it from me but,

Is the Glue approved for use on the aircraft? Is the Cabin crew member qualified to go fixing things on the aircraft?

Not bull**** at all. A whole fricking herd of of bull****!
I don't believe it happened at all but let's say it did:
So something minor breaks on board an aircraft and a Flight attendant uses her brain to give it a quick fix. Kudos to her for thinking outside the box if you ask me. I can be almost sure it was reported to the Capt, the MEL consulted and then sorted once back on the ground at the end of the day.

It's called common sense. I don't understand how it can be called Unprofessional.

Anyway back to the topic now :pac:

kona

Growler!!! wrote: »

In fairness you can't tar everyone in an airline because of the actions of a few.

As for the glue story, I honestly don't know any cabin crew who have glue in their flight bags. It would be written in the cabin defect log and passed to Engineering.

I know exactley the procedure, thats why I was shocked at what I was looking at.

kona

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

Not bull**** at all. A whole fricking herd of of bull****!
I don't believe it happened at all but let's say it did:
So something minor breaks on board an aircraft and a Flight attendant uses her brain to give it a quick fix. Kudos to her for thinking outside the box if you ask me. I can be almost sure it was reported to the Capt, the MEL consulted and then sorted once back on the ground at the end of the day.

It's called common sense. I don't understand how it can be called Unprofessional.

Anyway back to the topic now :pac:

Shes not qualified to touch the aircraft, she writes the defect in the tech log and then a engineer fixes it. You cant have cabin crew fixing aircraft, admittedly its not exactley a major component, but once people think they can fix small things, it escalates to them fixing things they think are small, which may lead to bigger issues.

As for the glue, theres a reason theres approved lubricants etc for aircraft use.

Call it what you want, I know what I saw.

Growler!!!

So you still stand by your comment that all this companies pilots and cabin crew are unprofessional? That is a big statement to make after just one flight.

Again as I said don't tar an entire airline because of the actions of a few.

Cessna_Pilot

Ya better get onto Joe Duffy tomorrow then.

kona

Growler!!! wrote: »

So you still stand by your comment that all this companies pilots and cabin crew are unprofessional? That is a big statement to make after just one flight.

Again as I said don't tar an entire airline because of the actions of a few.

Well they have had two incidents involving cabin crew and pilots that made the national news, albeit the cabin crew one seemed that both parties were at fault, the one mentioned here is unacceptable, even if he was under the limit, pilots shouldnt drink before flights end of story.
Another instance of a pilot crashing their plane on landing in shannon a few months ago.

Ive flown them once, and saw that carry on with the cabin crew interfering with the cabin fittings so, I havnt really heard anything good about them, Im sure not all of them are unprofessional, but anytime I come across a Aer Aran story its never a good one.

kona

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

Ya better get onto Joe Duffy tomorrow then.

Why would I bother? Just get people like you saying its bull****. Even though they havnt a notion of the incident because they most probably were not there.

juan.kerr

xflyer wrote: »

Since when is that a crime?

Doesn't mention the sex of the cabin crew member, so could have been a crime up to relatively recently.

L1011

juan.kerr wrote: »

Doesn't mention the sex of the cabin crew member, so could have been a crime up to relatively recently.

More than 50 years in Bristol.

juan.kerr

MYOB wrote: »

More than 50 years in Bristol.

Doesn't mention the age either - 21 vs 18.

sparrowcar

kona wrote: »

Doubtful, as crap as Aer Aran seem to be, they are bringing people onto the EI transatlantic routes all while EI dont have to take the risk of buying new aircraft, training crews and maintenance etc, from a business POV it makes sense.

Still Aer Aran seem to be quite unprofessional.

If you make a statement like that you must be able to back it up. You can't, or at least the one or two points you have made are flawd or very weak.

If you come back with something more concrete than an amazing story about glue and cabin crew then I might listen, otherwise don't embarrass yourself.

kona

sparrowcar wrote: »

If you make a statement like that you must be able to back it up. You can't, or at least the one or two points you have made are flawd or very weak.

If you come back with something more concrete than an amazing story about glue and cabin crew then I might listen, otherwise don't embarrass yourself.

well I hardly started taking video of it since I was in an aircraft, Im just saying what I saw.

Su Campu

kona wrote: »

well I hardly started taking video of it since I was in an aircraft, Im just saying what I saw.

No, you're saying that a whole airline is unprofessional due to what you saw on the only flight you've taken with them. I've only flown with them once, but what I saw was a high level of professionalism, so where does that leave us?

Yes, the situation should never arise where the ability of a pilot is brought into question by his/her own actions before a flight, but if he/she was drinking then why hold the whole airline responsible for that?

I've said enough now, cos if I go on I'll say something bannable. :rolleyes:

Jiveartist

Aer Arann are a very professional outfit with great pilots and crew. Love flying with them and love Atr,s proper flying. EI-R is performing well for them to I believe.

Madpaddy79

ohigg84 wrote: »

kona wrote: »

Aer arann **** up and its Aer Lingus colours who get the blame....again.

Yeah, wish Mueller would get some sense and ditch them..

Bring back Aer Lingus Commuter... With a fleet of ERJ's..

Hahahahaha, you really don't know your aircraft, ERJ,s. Come on.

Madpaddy79

sparrowcar wrote: »

kona wrote: »

Doubtful, as crap as Aer Aran seem to be, they are bringing people onto the EI transatlantic routes all while EI dont have to take the risk of buying new aircraft, training crews and maintenance etc, from a business POV it makes sense.

Still Aer Aran seem to be quite unprofessional.

If you make a statement like that you must be able to back it up. You can't, or at least the one or two points you have made are flawd or very weak.

If you come back with something more concrete than an amazing story about glue and cabin crew then I might listen, otherwise don't embarrass yourself.

Truly was an amazing story " about a knob " which fell off!

realrebel

was talking to someone who works for aer arann and they said the pilot and air hostess were fired today from the story that broke the other day
i met the both of them a few times and they seem really nice people but made a huge error and boy are they paying for it now

sparrowcar

I also heard that. The quote I heard was "they'll never work for Aer Arann again" ...huge mistake.

Tea 1000

kona wrote: »

Well they have had two incidents involving cabin crew and pilots that made the national news, albeit the cabin crew one seemed that both parties were at fault, the one mentioned here is unacceptable, even if he was under the limit, pilots shouldnt drink before flights end of story.
Another instance of a pilot crashing their plane on landing in shannon a few months ago.

Ive flown them once, and saw that carry on with the cabin crew interfering with the cabin fittings so, I havnt really heard anything good about them, Im sure not all of them are unprofessional, but anytime I come across a Aer Aran story its never a good one.

In all fairness, you have a very unreasonable bias against Aer Arann.
I've flown with them many times, and each and every time they were professional.
The instance of a pilot crashing their plane on landing in Shannon? Are they the only ones to have had an incident on landing? BA had one with a 777 with many more people on board... are they unprofessional too? They also have had pilots actually convicted of drinking before flying, unlike the Aer Arann guy who was clear on the second test.
As for your glue story, you were shocked when you saw a cabin crew member gluing a piece of a vent? It's easy to shock you in fairness. How do you know that an engineer looked at it in the past and told her "ah if it breaks again just stick some glue on it, we can't get a new part for it so it's fine" or something similar?
And also, when have you ever heard any positive story reported in the news about any airline?