GYPSY BLOOD

wicklow_hunter

I was watchin ‘gypsy blood’ last night channel 4 – not sure if it was a series or a one off.
It basically was an overview of uk travellers fighting and how much it was intertwined in their culture. Not to get into that debate here but what was interesting is that they filmed a deer being taken down by a lurcher of some sort in broad daylight. I was shocked as I never have seen this before and thought it was banned!

Also what was even more cruel was chicken fighting – this was filmed also a live account of two cocks killing one and other to the death. I was of the opinion that this was banned also…
They also had rifles – dono how they had a licence for it. One of the gyps’s son probably nomore that 10 was given the rifle. He fired a shot out of it and turned the gun around to the dad. Both couldn’t see the danger of where the rifle was pointing to. Shocking!

Any1 else see it?

fox_1973

I watched it too, couldnt believe what i was seeing!! everything they were doing was illegal

landkeeper

it was an air rifle

EastTyrone

running dogs on deer is legal in england, the huntinglife.com has got a good coouple of articles on running deerhounds

johngalway

EastTyrone wrote: »

running dogs on deer is legal in england, the huntinglife.com has got a good coouple of articles on running deerhounds

I think you'd want to look into that one again

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/233997-gypies-true-blooddeer/

mr.pricket

no need for air rifle licence in uk but im sure they will look into after watchin that programme:eek:good programme though he knocked that big guy clean out

rowa

I seen the part in which these lowlife had the cock fight, disgraceful carry on , i don't understand television production companies commissioning shows like these, and as far as i know it is illegal to set one mammal on another mammal in the uk , so the deer being taken with lurchers was definately illegal.

patdahat

""and as far as i know it is illegal to set one mammal on another mammal in the uk ""


SORRY but this boils my blood what's the story so about sending out a dog to round up the sheep or cows? is that illegal also,

johngalway

rowa wrote: »

i don't understand television production companies commissioning shows like these

As far as I understand, that particular channel was always supportive of the hunting ban in Britain, so it's unsurprising that they'd show a programme like it. The average Joe will see what the company wants them too, that's what editing is for.

rowa wrote: »

and as far as i know it is illegal to set one mammal on another mammal in the uk

Nope, it can be done quite legally in some circumstances, terriers on rats, one single terrier below ground against fox in protection of game birds, lurchers etc. on rabbits.

rowa wrote: »

so the deer being taken with lurchers was definately illegal.

Yup. I don't agree with the ban, but illegal, yup.

garv123

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/gypsy-blood/4od#3278568

Half way through watching it now myself, it was filmed 2 years ago, its only been shown on tv now.

rowa

patdahat wrote: »

""and as far as i know it is illegal to set one mammal on another mammal in the uk ""


SORRY but this boils my blood what's the story so about sending out a dog to round up the sheep or cows? is that illegal also,

You answered your own question there really, "sending out a dog to round up" the intention is to round up or gather ,not to kill another animal.

garv123

rowa wrote: »

You answered your own question there really, "sending out a dog to round up" the intention is to round up or gather ,not to kill another animal.

But what you originally said is still wrong.. lurchers can hunt foxes and rabbits and so on like john said in his post.

rowa

garv123 wrote: »

But what you originally said is still wrong.. lurchers can hunt foxes and rabbits and so on like john said in his post.

Rats and rabbits only according to defra, i don't doubt i got it wrong , i am not the pope so not infallable, i don't take much interest in the uk laws as i don't live there and we have enough trouble of our own in ireland.

"The Hunting Act 2004 bans the hunting with dogs of all wild mammals in England and Wales, including fox, deer, hare and mink, except where it is carried out in accordance with the conditions of one of the exemptions set out in the Act. It also bans all hare coursing.

Exemptions in the Hunting Act allow the following activities to take place in limited circumstances: stalking and flushing out; use of a dog below ground, in the course of stalking and flushing out, to protect birds being kept or preserved for shooting; hunting rats and rabbits; retrieval of hares which have been shot; falconry; recapture of wild mammals; and research and observation.

Exempt hunting can only take place either on land which belongs to the hunter or which he has been given permission to use for that purpose by the occupier or, in the case of unoccupied land, by a person to whom it belongs. Permission may also be given by a police constable in respect of the recapture or rescue of a wild mammal"

johngalway

garv123 wrote: »

lurchers can hunt foxes

Nope.

garv123 wrote: »

and rabbits

Yup.

AFAIK, and I don't profess to know it all Running dogs can't legally hunt Deer, foxes, or hares in Britain.

NI is somewhat different, I think they can run foxes, don't know about hares or deer.

patdahat

well thank god we dont have that load of s**t to be dealing with this side of the pond.

rowa

johngalway wrote: »

AFAIK, and I don't profess to know it all Running dogs can't legally hunt Deer, foxes, or hares in Britain.

NI is somewhat different, I think they can run foxes, don't know about hares or deer.

Anyway they were cockfighting which was banned in england (and by extension here) in 1835 and in scotland in 1895, acting illegally in any case. Not that the law applies to that shower anyway.

johngalway

rowa wrote: »

Anyway they were cockfighting which was banned in england (and by extension here) in 1835 and in scotland in 1895, acting illegally in any case. Not that the law applies to that shower anyway.

So I have heard, I was only commenting on the hunting aspects though.

Odd thing in Britain, going on what a lot of hunters there say, the law will sooner come out after someone running a dog on something they shouldn't than, shall we say, a certain group stealing things that don't belong to them.

Strange world.

johngalway

rowa wrote: »

i don't understand television production companies commissioning shows like these

Oh yes, I forgot earlier. David Cameron promised a free vote in the HOC on the hunting ban, that'll be the biggest driver of this kind of thing, expect to see more of it and very much increased anti fieldsports activity.

rowa

johngalway wrote: »

Oh yes, I forgot earlier. David Cameron promised a free vote in the HOC on the hunting ban, that'll be the biggest driver of this kind of thing, expect to see more of it and very much increased anti fieldsports activity.

He can promise what he wants to appease his followers , he is very much into deer stalking himself , his in laws are huge landowners in scotland ,but this free vote won't lead to a repeal of the hunting ban.

I was watching river cottage earlier on channel 4 and it showed hugh shooting , gralloching , and cooking a roe deer , later in the program it showed him beating on a driven game shoot , it was all shown in a sensible way and anything killed was used ( and looked lovely), i haven't heard any uproar in the uk over it and certainly nothing like the rubbish all over the media over a couple of pheasants on the bonnet of an audi jeep in a so-called rural country like ireland.

johngalway

rowa wrote: »

but this free vote won't lead to a repeal of the hunting ban.

I said the same before their last election.

rowa wrote: »

I was watching river cottage earlier on channel 4 and it showed hugh shooting , gralloching , and cooking a roe deer , later in the program it showed him beating on a driven game shoot , it was all shown in a sensible way and anything killed was used ( and looked lovely), i haven't heard any uproar in the uk over it and certainly nothing like the rubbish all over the media over a couple of pheasants on the bonnet of an audi jeep in a so-called rural country like ireland.

If you look into the free vote, you'll see that it's not going to be soon. But, as it draws closer (if their coalition stays intact mind) anti fieldsports activity will increase I promise you.