Social Welfare is requesting parents payslips?

Robbie12

Hi,

I'm 22 years old and living with my parents. I paid rent to my parents while working and now that I'm trying to claim job seekers allowance they're looking for my parents payslips? My parents have refused to provide these and now the social welfare are looking to cancelling my application. I don't really understand how its like that as my parents can't claim anything for me living with them and I'm not a dependent.

But either way, I'm just looking for advice on what to do, if there is anything I can do??

Cheers,

Rob.

mp22

If you are claiming JSA you are being means tested,therefore you parents income will be taken into account.If you are claiming JSB ask the social welfare why they want them.

amtw

Posting the relevant link to the Citizens Information website, hope this explains the situation.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/irish_social_welfare_system/means_test_for_social_welfare_payments/how_parents_income_can_affect_jobseekers_allowance.html

As the previous poster said if you have been working and have the required the necessary stamps you will be entitled to Jobseekers Benefit and your payment will not be based on your parents income.

Robbie12

I don't know whether its the JSA or JSB but If they're asking for my parents payslips I assume its the JSA.

My parents wont hand over the payslips so is there anything I can do to still be able to claim the JSA?

amtw

If its Jobseekers Benefit, then you must have more then 104 stamps paid since you first started work, at least 39 of these must have been in the relevant tax year, which for this year is 2010, or your have 26 in that year and 26 in either of the two previous year.

If you don't have the necessary stamps then you are looking for Jobseekers Allowance and if your parents aren't prepared to have thier finances examined then you won't be granted the payment.

If both of your parents are working and they have half decent incomes then even if they do show their payslips you probably won't qualify for JA as you will be above the means test limit.

Sorry but its not looking good for you for getting a payment.

Robbie12

Oh I see, I thought even if your parents are millionaires you just received a minimum because I've worked and thought that gave you a right to claim! My parents wont be providing me with anything.

So heres hoping a job comes along soon.

Robbie12

Do you know the cut off point for parents wages? Trying to find on that citizens of site ther?

amtw

The way the department assess your parents income against your claim is very complicated, I will try posting the link to the Citizens Information website again so you can try to work it out yourself, but you will need to know their income.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/irish_social_welfare_system/means_test_for_social_welfare_payments/how_parents_income_can_affect_jobseekers_allowance.html

cee_jay

If your parents do not want to supply their payslips to you, for you to give to SW, they can supply them directly to SW. Maybe ask your parents would they be more agreeable to that?

keredern

DSP can use Revenue's system to assess your parents' income.

It is more unwieldy & may prove less favourable for you but you should not be refused solely on the basis that you are unable to provide payslips from your parents.

In assessing the household (parents) income allowances are made for mortgage/rent costs, tax paid, travel costs, etc.

If you are unable to provide these details, it will be more difficult for DSP to calculate the Benefit & Privilege amount.

It might be worth advising your parents that their income is available on the DSP computer system with the click of a few buttons.

If they are uncomfortable with you seeing their income then you could ask them to send their payslips & household outgoings (mortgage/rent) directly to the relevant Deciding Officer (as previously suggested).

I hope you get sorted but don't give up...most DSP employees will try their best to assist you.

Failing that, call down to your local CWO (now HEO!) & explain your predicament. S/he may be able to act as an intermediary on your behalf.

I have done this for several young people over the years.

Parents are often more forthcoming once they have spoken directly with an officer.

Best of luck.:)

Moonbeam

Robbie12 wrote: »

Oh I see, I thought even if your parents are millionaires you just received a minimum because I've worked and thought that gave you a right to claim! My parents wont be providing me with anything.

So heres hoping a job comes along soon.

It does once you have enough stamps .

cee_jay

keredern wrote: »

DSP can use Revenue's system to assess your parents' income.

It is more unwieldy & may prove less favourable for you but you should not be refused solely on the basis that you are unable to provide payslips from your parents.

In assessing the household (parents) income allowances are made for mortgage/rent costs, tax paid, travel costs, etc.

If you are unable to provide these details, it will be more difficult for DSP to calculate the Benefit & Privilege amount.

It might be worth advising your parents that their income is available on the DSP computer system with the click of a few buttons.

If they are uncomfortable with you seeing their income then you could ask them to send their payslips & household outgoings (mortgage/rent) directly to the relevant Deciding Officer (as previously suggested).

SW shouldn't do this - it would be a breach of data protection.

eastbono

cee_jay wrote: »

SW shouldn't do this - it would be a breach of data protection.

Spot on cee_jay sw are not allowed to access info in this way to assess means. The same applies to a husband and wife or a co-hab couple. So if someone is doing this they are operating outside of operational guidelines and well as a breach of data protection.

mrsbyrne

keredern wrote: »

DSP can use Revenue's system to assess your parents' income.

It is more unwieldy & may prove less favourable for you but you should not be refused solely on the basis that you are unable to provide payslips from your parents.

In assessing the household (parents) income allowances are made for mortgage/rent costs, tax paid, travel costs, etc.

If you are unable to provide these details, it will be more difficult for DSP to calculate the Benefit & Privilege amount.

It might be worth advising your parents that their income is available on the DSP computer system with the click of a few buttons.

If they are uncomfortable with you seeing their income then you could ask them to send their payslips & household outgoings (mortgage/rent) directly to the relevant Deciding Officer (as previously suggested).

I hope you get sorted but don't give up...most DSP employees will try their best to assist you.

Failing that, call down to your local CWO (now HEO!) & explain your predicament. S/he may be able to act as an intermediary on your behalf.

I have done this for several young people over the years.

Parents are often more forthcoming once they have spoken directly with an officer.

Best of luck.:)

Please disregard most of this.:(

Sister Assumpta

I was in the same situation as you OP.

I'm 24 and I lost my job and didn't have enough paid contributions. I could not claim anything because of my parents' income.

I've now moved back to Dublin to find a job and am about to submit a new application for Jobseekers Allowance... which because I'm 24 will be a maximum of €144. However I have now broken my leg, so I don't know if I will be entitled to anything. I just want to get a job asap.

I really hate all of this rubbish... I'm an adult, I hate having to ask my parents for money, rent, bills, etc. at my age. If I stayed in the countryside, living with them, there's no way I'd find a job before I turn 25 in August. The DSP just want as many people off their books as possible, they don't seem to understand the human cost of having no job, no income and no quality of life when you're 24 and genuinely want to work but have scarce opportunities to do so.

saa

Sister Assumpta wrote: »

, they don't seem to understand the human cost of having no job, no income and no quality of life when you're 24 and genuinely want to work but have scarce opportunities to do so.

Yeah I don't get how myself who will be 21 when I finish my course this year (and living on my own) will be able to live on 100 euro per week

144 is doable, I live on 130 atm, I can't buy food, use elecy and wouldn't be able to afford rent of 80 euro pw but I "live" bleugh

mp22

This is as far from payslips as it's going to get.

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