How good is Defoe??

FlawedGenius

Had a discussion with a mate whos a Liverpool fan that said he wouldnt be happy with Defoe for 10 mill.. I reckon if Liverpool had Defoe theyd get 4th. He said hes only got 2 years left and that hes not good enough for a top 4 club:eek:
Doesnt think hed get into United, Chelsea or City team(id agree with him on city). I argued that hes the best out and out poacher type goalscorer in the prem along with Hernandez. He said no Aguero is, I argued Agueros all round better forward but not as clinical as Defoe.
He said he cant even get into the Spurs team. I dont agree with Harry playing Adebayor up top without defoe, Adeayor cant finished his dinner lately and Spurs havent been scoring as much because of this.

Anyways do u rate Defoe? I know Bent has a better record but I really think Defoe is the best striker England got and very underrated.

I think hes a better striker than Torress, far more clinical.

I cant add a poll but who would you prefer in your team, Torres or Defoe??
and
Should he make England squad for Euros??

dreamers75

Defoe is the best out and out english poacher playing atm, but seems to have some issues.

Assume its coaching managing issues that have always stopped him fulfilling his potential and "nothing to do with him".

Could be an attitude thing....dunno.

UnitedIrishman

dreamers75 wrote: »

Defoe is the best out and out english poacher playing atm, but seems to have some issues.

Assume its coaching managing issues that have always stopped him fulfilling his potential and "nothing to do with him".

Could be an attitude thing....dunno.

The lads on the Guardian podcast alluded to that point this week, basically they were praising how the likes of Danny Graham and Steve Fletcher are listening to the coaching and management and the progress they've made in their game, in comparison to players like Defoe who seem to just be coached to the point where there's nothing more that he'll take in and he plays his own way.

Defoe wouldn't be a bad fit for Liverpool. But all depends what formation they're looking to play. Not exactly a player that'd thrive as a lone front man.

Samich

He was a player who I hoped Man Utd would sign when he got relegated with West Ham, had a few red cards in his previous years to that, but was unreal back then.

He's not good enough for a top 4 team.

Oh aren't Spurs in the top 4?

Equium

Defoe's problem is that he's always been far too blinkered and greedy. As has been alluded to, I think it's a refusal to take on advice that has held him back. He comes across as a very confident player who fully believes in his own ability. It's great when he is conjuring important goals from nothing, but equally frustrating when he exhibits a complete lack of ability/refusal to hold up the ball and bring team mates into the game.

In saying that, I'm a Spurs fan and wouldn't like to see him leave. He certainly wouldn't make Liverpool a better side than us but I feel losing his services would leave us with no plan B.

KaiserGunner

I never really rated Defoe highly as a player. Hes been described as a poacher but I disagree. He is probably one of the most greedy players that I have ever seen play, his first choice always is to shoot. I dont think I have ever seen him put his head up and look for a pass if someone is in a better position than him. Fair enough his scoring record is probably decent but then again how many chances does he miss or how many moves break down due to his selfishness.

Id still take him in the Arsenal squad though as unfortunately we are so thin in the strikeforce department which is a sad indicament of the strikers at Arsenal at the moment.

LuckyLloyd

Between 2008 and 2010 he managed 47 goals in 97 appearances. Since 2010 it has been 23 in 59. Man knows where the net is obviously. He is 29 now though, and his game depends on his sharpness and athleticism so he may not have too many good seasons left.

Defoe is an out and out striker. He is only really contributing if he's scoring (21 assists in last 156 appearances), so he won't be the creative focal point of a good side. The way Spurs have played under Rednapp has suited him down to the ground, and his scoring rate has blossomed during that time.

As a Liverpool fan I'm not sure he is what we need. I think Defoe plays best in a direct system with pacey players that play a decent portion of their football on the break. Liverpool generally play against packed defenses at home where we have tons of possession and yet struggle for creativity and the ability to create clear chances consistently. As such, I think we are better off looking elsewhere or simply holding on to our cash for the moment.

There are plenty of other places he could end up where he'll score though.

geeky

Samich wrote: »

He was a player who I hoped Man Utd would sign when he got relegated with West Ham, had a few red cards in his previous years to that, but was unreal back then.

He's not good enough for a top 4 team.

Oh aren't Spurs in the top 4?

Yep, and Defoe's not making their team!

Defoe looks very good this season, but he's found his level IMO - impact/rotation player for a good top 4 team. He'd be useful at Liverpool for 10 mil, particularly if Kenny is planning to put two up front.

carlcon

He can score goals. He's a striker. Job done.

If I was a Liverpool fan I'd bite your hand off at an opportunity to have someone who can score like him.

Accept Carroll is a failure, move on with Suarez and a proper finisher. Only way a top 4 is remotely possible for them.

That_Guy

carlcon wrote: »

move on with Suarez and a proper finisher.

Corvo

He can finish, but there are other more promising strikers in the league now who are much hungrier than Defoe and are/can be just as talented.

Danny Graham for one, Welbeck and Sturridge being others.

Samich

Griffin1988 wrote: »

He can finish, but there are other more promising strikers in the league now who are much hungrier than Defoe and are/can be just as talented.

Danny Graham for one, Welbeck and Sturridge being others.

Steven Fletcher for Wolves really is a brilliant player, not saying good enough for top 4, but for a stuggling wolves side, he scores a power of goals.

celticbest

Question : How good is Defoe??

Answer : He's good but not good enough to win a club the EPL.

Richard Hillman

He is very talented but he doesnt have the mental abilty to become great. He is such a selfish man. I'd imagine he wouldnt be too bothered if his team lost as long as he scored. Also he has a tendency to just whack the ball as hard as possible rather than place it. As a striker, you need guile. He lacks that. He's probably a nice guy but definitely not a player i would like to play with at that level. The only thing that stopped him becoming a serious player was himself.

dreamers75

Samich wrote: »

Steven Fletcher for Wolves really is a brilliant player, not saying good enough for top 4, but for a stuggling wolves side, he scores a power of goals.

Fairly sure he is scottish.

jive

FlawedGenius wrote: »

I think hes a better striker than Torress, far more clinical.

Jesus, football fans are fickle. Torres is far better than Defoe and his record suggests this. Defoe is decent but he's not even a regular starter at club level (and let's be honest, spurs don't have the hottest strike force in the world; playing 1 striker obviously limits his chances though). He's a good premier league striker, that's about the height of it. He's decent but he's not a world beater by any stretch.

Would I have him in the England squad? I wouldn't but he definitely has a chance of making the squad. I'd have Rooney and Sturridge (despite his lack of international experience, he's been fantastic this year). It depends what kind of football they're going to play. Knowing England's style, then Crouch and Carroll will be going. That's 4. They only brought 4 strikers to the world cup, 2 lumps in Heskey + Crouch and 2 strikers in Rooney and Defoe. I think Defoe will be overlooked this year. If Sturridge doesn't keep his form up then I'd imagine Capello will opt for experience and go for Defoe. If Welbeck picks it up even a small bit then he'll have eyes on Defoe's spot as well. If Bent pulls the finger out he will also have eyes on that spot. Gun to my head though - Rooney, Sturridge, Carroll, Crouch is the way I see it panning out.

eagle eye

He has had the same problem for years and its work ethic, he just doesn't do enough on the pitch. As said above he is well able to score but thats the only way he is helping a team and he is of no use in a tight game where you need players to dig in and get back or move out to the wings.

Hannibal

FlawedGenius wrote: »

I think hes a better striker than Torres, far more clinical.

Torres had one of the highest goal to game ratios in the history of the PL before his move to Chelsea.

I think Defoe is an excellent striker but not an excellent player, like say Pippo Inzaghi and Javier Hernandez they just have an art of being in the right place to score goals but sometimes dont contribute much else. Looking at Liverpool's play this season and the amount of chances created we need a player like Defoe with predatory skills. He'd work great feeding off Gerrard, Suarez and Carroll and he's the type of striker these players need around them. Bellamy and Kuyt are a different type of forward to Defoe and generally aren't "switched on" enough to take advantage of the chances that the afforementioned players create

Warper

Defoe is like Walcott - he will have his moments but too many poor performances means he will never be a top player or playing in a top team.

Warper

Dotsey wrote: »

Torres had one of the highest goal to game ratios in the history of the PL before his move to Chelsea.

I think Defoe is an excellent striker but not an excellent player, like say Pippo Inzaghi and Javier Hernandez they just have an art of being in the right place to score goals but sometimes dont contribute much else. Looking at Liverpool's play this season and the amount of chances created we need a player like Defoe with predatory skills. He'd work great feeding off Gerrard, Suarez and Carroll and he's the type of striker these players need around them. Bellamy and Kuyt are a different type of forward to Defoe and generally aren't "switched on" enough to take advantage of the chances that the afforementioned players create

Inzaghi is miles ahead of Defoe/Hernandez. The guy is 59 and still got his game with Milan tonight.

Pinturicchio

Defoe can only dream of being as good as Pippo Inzaghi.

Hannibal

Warper wrote: »

Inzaghi is miles ahead of Defoe/Hernandez. The guy is 59 and still got his game with Milan tonight.

Pinturicchio wrote: »

Defoe can only dream of being as good as Pippo Inzaghi.

I didn't say as good, I said similar in style. Major difference.

Either way Defoe needs a big man like Carroll to play off and/or a player like Suarez or Gerrard who can put it on a plate for him.

Imo Kuyt's legs are gone due to the amount of mileage he's done and we need a striker who can play in the box

steelcityblues

Warper wrote: »

Defoe is like Walcott - he will have his moments but too many poor performances means he will never be a top player or playing in a top team.

Get back to me when Walcott has over 100 EPL goals - silly comparison.

Jimmy Iovine

FlawedGenius wrote: »

Had a discussion with a mate whos a Liverpool fan that said he wouldnt be happy with Defoe for 10 mill.. I reckon if Liverpool had Defoe theyd get 4th. He said hes only got 2 years left and that hes not good enough for a top 4 club:eek:
Doesnt think hed get into United, Chelsea or City team(id agree with him on city). I argued that hes the best out and out poacher type goalscorer in the prem along with Hernandez. He said no Aguero is, I argued Agueros all round better forward but not as clinical as Defoe.
He said he cant even get into the Spurs team. I dont agree with Harry playing Adebayor up top without defoe, Adeayor cant finished his dinner lately and Spurs havent been scoring as much because of this.

Anyways do u rate Defoe? I know Bent has a better record but I really think Defoe is the best striker England got and very underrated.

I think hes a better striker than Torress, far more clinical.

I cant add a poll but who would you prefer in your team, Torres or Defoe??
and
Should he make England squad for Euros??

IMO he's very good but unfortunately he seems to be a flawed genius .