I Shoot and Fish January 2012 Free E-Zine

Antoennis

Hi All,


Here is the I Shoot and Fish Free Monthly E-Zine. Hope you enjoy. All feed back welcomed and listened too! PDF version http://www.ishootandfish.ie/january2012-e-zine.pdf


Live video interactive version
http://content.yudu.com/Library/A1vbr3/IShootandFishEzineJa/


Thanks
Anthony

Glensman

Very sentimental edition, but then I suppose it was the time of year it was written!

Very Enjoyable!

Antoennis

Ha ha Glensman which bit are you talking about. Some of it was only written today!:D

Glensman

Antoennis wrote: »

Ha ha Glensman which bit are you talking about. Some of it was only written today!:D

The African hunting trip and the trip out with the Setter...

I have to admit I don't read any of the fishing parts, although I had a quick look at the catch on Hamish's boat, he lives about 4 doors up from me!!

Antoennis

Glensman wrote: »

Antoennis wrote: »

Ha ha Glensman which bit are you talking about. Some of it was only written today!:D

The African hunting trip and the trip out with the Setter...

I have to admit I don't read any of the fishing parts, although I had a quick look at the catch on Hamish's boat, he lives about 4 doors up from me!!

Just coped the PDF link is last months. Will change it tomorrow. The live link is correct I think.

Thx for the feedback:-)

mr.pricket

this article was interesing antonennis as it came across as the writer was condoning poaching,he states that people he knows have a lease from coilte and the only way they can shoot them is by walkin the lease at night with scope mounted lamps shooting whatever they see:eek: because they want too get here before the poachers......talk about a contradiction...they are the fookin poachers lol and should be reported too coilte or the guards and be treated the same as the lads there trying too defeat:rolleyes:
eye for an eye tut tut
2 wrongs dont make a right

Antoennis

mr.pricket wrote: »

this article was interesing antonennis as it came across as the writer was condoning poaching,he states that people he knows have a lease from coilte and the only way they can shoot them is by walkin the lease at night with scope mounted lamps shooting whatever they see:eek: because they want too get here before the poachers......talk about a contradiction...they are the fookin poachers lol and should be reported too coilte or the guards and be treated the same as the lads there trying too defeat:rolleyes:
eye for an eye tut tut
2 wrongs dont make a right

To be fair don't think Norman was saying they were correct in what they are doing. More just pointing out the mind set of others. At the end of the day if you shoot a deer by lamping it is wrong and against the law no matter what the reason. I agree anyone found doing this should be reported. We all need to come up with a plan on how to stop this and work together to report the people involved. I know several farmers who have banned anyone coming onto their land because of the few bad ones.

PDF fixed now.

Glensman

Antoennis wrote: »

To be fair don't think Norman was saying they were correct in what they are doing. More just pointing out the mind set of others. At the end of the day if you shoot a deer by lamping it is wrong and against the law no matter what the reason. I agree anyone found doing this should be reported. We all need to come up with a plan on how to stop this and work together to report the people involved. I know several farmers who have banned anyone coming onto their land because of the few bad ones.

PDF fixed now.

Will have to read the correct one tomorrow!

(at least I didn't miss a month!)

garv123

In the case of foxes and other vermin, farmers can get a licence to lamp these animals
and with the appropriate licence is legal

You dont need a special licence to lamp foxes and it doesnt have to be the farmer.

“It is extremely dangerous because you’re
shooting at night.

Bullsh1t, he seems to think all lamping is dangerous. Its only dangerous with a idiot behind the gun on land he doesnt know with no permission. He makes it seem like all of lamping is dangerous.

The lamping of foxes by sheep farmers for instance would not be an illegal activity once an individual has a legally held firearm and has permission from the landowner you can shoot and dispatch of foxes humanely. Also a lot of it is done with a shotgun, which is over a low distance where you’re talking about 80 to 100 yards

Where can i get one of these shotguns and shells that will kill foxes at 80-100 yards?
Also i havent seen a lamping picture on here yet where a fella was lamping with just a shotgun.

s driving around and shooting where they want without local knowledge it is extremely dangerous. This activity is not being done with legally held firearms it is being done with illegally held firearms and that is the concern the gardaí would have,” Mr King said.

More crap. You need a deer licence to sell the meat to the game dealer so how are they getting their licence with a Illegally owned firearm.




I enjoy reading the magazine monthly with the last few months but this is the worst written article ive seen in it yet.

Its giving a negative image to all lamping by saying high power rifles are dangerous at night. Plenty of people lamp foxes safely with hmr's up to .308's. so its nothing to do with the high powered rifle. Its the fella behind the rifle thats at fault.

johngalway

garv123 wrote: »

You dont need a special licence to lamp foxes and it doesnt have to be the farmer.



Bullsh1t, he seems to think all lamping is dangerous. Its only dangerous with a idiot behind the gun on land he doesnt know with no permission. He makes it seem like all of lamping is dangerous.



Where can i get one of these shotguns and shells that will kill foxes at 80-100 yards?
Also i havent seen a lamping picture on here yet where a fella was lamping with just a shotgun.



More crap. You need a deer licence to sell the meet to the game dealer so how are they getting their licence with a Illegally owned firearm.




I enjoy reading the magazine monthly with the last few months but this is the worst written article ive seen in it yet.

Its giving a negative image to all lamping by saying high power rifles are dangerous at night. Plenty of people lamp foxes safely with hmr's up to .308's. so its nothing to do with the high powered rifle. Its the fella behind the rifle thats at fault.

Haven't read the article yet, but I can't find much to disagree with in Garv's commentary on the quoted pieces - though I have seen foxes dispatched by bolt action long barrelled shotgun at up to 90 yards on video.

Longranger

johngalway wrote: »

Haven't read the article yet, but I can't find much to disagree with in Garv's commentary on the quoted pieces - though I have seen foxes dispatched by bolt action long barrelled shotgun at up to 90 yards on video.

Were they using slugs or shot John?

mr.pricket

Antoennis wrote: »

mr.pricket wrote: »

this article was interesing antonennis as it came across as the writer was condoning poaching,he states that people he knows have a lease from coilte and the only way they can shoot them is by walkin the lease at night with scope mounted lamps shooting whatever they see:eek: because they want too get here before the poachers......talk about a contradiction...they are the fookin poachers lol and should be reported too coilte or the guards and be treated the same as the lads there trying too defeat:rolleyes:
eye for an eye tut tut
2 wrongs dont make a right

To be fair don't think Norman was saying they were correct in what they are doing. More just pointing out the mind set of others. At the end of the day if you shoot a deer by lamping it is wrong and against the law no matter what the reason. I agree anyone found doing this should be reported. We all need to come up with a plan on how to stop this and work together to report the people involved. I know several farmers who have banned anyone coming onto their land because of the few bad ones.

PDF fixed now.

Well thats the impression i got and yes there is bad ones but syndicate bad ones is worse

poulo6.5

i agree with the lads above, poorly written and poorly informed.

there is no license for lamping vermin, fox & rabbit etc.

i do agree that there is a problem with deer poaching.

johngalway

Longranger wrote: »

Were they using slugs or shot John?

AAA out of a 36" barrel if I remember correctly, it was on one of Andre Georgescus videos (mind you they don't show any misses either, make of that what you will).

As someone outside the world of deer (for the moment...) looking in, seems to me the game dealer is where it's at (some comparisons can perhaps be drawn from the scrap metal game). I can't see prolific poaching being all or mostly about feeding hungry bellies, so it's a € game. So my suggestion would be to direct some energies into thinking of ways to make it nigh on impossible for this to pay. Not ban the sale of wild game, maybe have a small quota on each deer license. That may limit the numbers sent in as it would need to involve more licensed stalkers. I'm of the belief 99% of poaching is done with licensed firearms, though not necessarily licensed for deer, some are, some aren't. I was thinking of it from the poachers POV earlier, his problem is getting rid of the deer in a viable way. If he has a mate or two that doesn't give two figs he can give them the deer to go to the dealers, but if there was a very limited quota on each license, he'd perhaps need a lot more mates to be involved, maybe they would, maybe not, I don't know, but it's the best I can think of right now.

Antoennis

Yap have to agree with all your points and i did debate with myself weather to include the article or not. The reason i did was because i had seen it in the local paper The Clare Champion and thought if this is what other non shooting people are reading about or sport then we are all in bother. One of the quotes '' Firing at night is just unsafe and is illegal'' was actully made by Adrain King of the Irish Farmers Association now if he is thinking and saying it in the press then more and more farmers are going to ban shooting on there lands in the belief that it is unsafe. E-mail me your reponses and i'll publish them in next months e-zine. info@ishootandfish.ie

Antoennis

johngalway wrote: »

AAA out of a 36" barrel if I remember correctly, it was on one of Andre Georgescus videos (mind you they don't show any misses either, make of that what you will).

As someone outside the world of deer (for the moment...) looking in, seems to me the game dealer is where it's at (some comparisons can perhaps be drawn from the scrap metal game). I can't see prolific poaching being all or mostly about feeding hungry bellies, so it's a € game. So my suggestion would be to direct some energies into thinking of ways to make it nigh on impossible for this to pay. Not ban the sale of wild game, maybe have a small quota on each deer license. That may limit the numbers sent in as it would need to involve more licensed stalkers. I'm of the belief 99% of poaching is done with licensed firearms, though not necessarily licensed for deer, some are, some aren't. I was thinking of it from the poachers POV earlier, his problem is getting rid of the deer in a viable way. If he has a mate or two that doesn't give two figs he can give them the deer to go to the dealers, but if there was a very limited quota on each license, he'd perhaps need a lot more mates to be involved, maybe they would, maybe not, I don't know, but it's the best I can think of right now.

There are loads of people that don't have a licence to shoot deer shooting them. They are just giving it to poeple with the licence to sell onto the game dealer or they 'borrow' the licence. I think John Galway's point above is the easiest and cheapest way to sort out the problem. With not being able to sell the deer there would be no money in shooting them. But it's a nice simple way to sort the problem out so no one will ever listen to it. They would prob have to spend a forntune for some survey to come up with the same answer!:p

steyrprohunter

mr.pricket wrote: »

this article was interesing antonennis as it came across as the writer was condoning poaching,he states that people he knows have a lease from coilte and the only way they can shoot them is by walkin the lease at night with scope mounted lamps shooting whatever they see:eek: because they want too get here before the poachers......talk about a contradiction...they are the fookin poachers lol and should be reported too coilte or the guards and be treated the same as the lads there trying too defeat:rolleyes:
eye for an eye tut tut
2 wrongs dont make a right

Hi mr. Pricket, I know the guy who wrote that article and quizzed him on this, his reply goes along these lines " I dont personally know the individuals involved but know of them through a source in the midlands. The group have been reported for this activity and 2 of the "stalkers" were kicked off the letting. I made an error in saying it was a Coillte lease when in fact its a private wood leased from an estate owner. I agree with what your saying about them being the poachers but I do not condone this behaviour." End quote.

mr.pricket

Antoennis wrote: »

johngalway wrote: »

AAA out of a 36" barrel if I remember correctly, it was on one of Andre Georgescus videos (mind you they don't show any misses either, make of that what you will).

As someone outside the world of deer (for the moment...) looking in, seems to me the game dealer is where it's at (some comparisons can perhaps be drawn from the scrap metal game). I can't see prolific poaching being all or mostly about feeding hungry bellies, so it's a € game. So my suggestion would be to direct some energies into thinking of ways to make it nigh on impossible for this to pay. Not ban the sale of wild game, maybe have a small quota on each deer license. That may limit the numbers sent in as it would need to involve more licensed stalkers. I'm of the belief 99% of poaching is done with licensed firearms, though not necessarily licensed for deer, some are, some aren't. I was thinking of it from the poachers POV earlier, his problem is getting rid of the deer in a viable way. If he has a mate or two that doesn't give two figs he can give them the deer to go to the dealers, but if there was a very limited quota on each license, he'd perhaps need a lot more mates to be involved, maybe they would, maybe not, I don't know, but it's the best I can think of right now.

There are loads of people that don't have a licence to shoot deer shooting them. They are just giving it to poeple with the licence to sell onto the game dealer or they 'borrow' the licence. I think John Galway's point above is the easiest and cheapest way to sort out the problem. With not being able to sell the deer there would be no money in shooting them. But it's a nice simple way to sort the problem out so no one will ever listen to it. They would prob have to spend a forntune for some survey to come up with the same answer!:p

Very true but the simple deer tagging system wud do it i think and then if your caught with ur deer at night without the tag then ur screwed even if ur legit and then u stll can only take say 10 if thats the amount issued ad i eat venison alot i think i would need 1O

mr.pricket

Ps ur magazine is always a gd read btw as u can see it gets some debates goin +1

johngalway

mr.pricket wrote: »

Very true but the simple deer tagging system wud do it i think and then if your caught with ur deer at night without the tag then ur screwed even if ur legit and then u stll can only take say 10 if thats the amount issued ad i eat venison alot i think i would need 1O

Another problem is: who's checking? If there's no system of regular, un-announced (if that's a word) checks on game dealers the merry go round will keep going. Penalties would also need to be severe, loss of firearms and large fine at the least. Loss of dealers license would be another.

When no one is checking, and the penalties are SFA, no one will pass any notice.

The quota system I was thinking of would be only for sale to game dealers, not for the shooter to eat themselves, I think that would overly penalise legitimate shooters and be unfair. Whether that'd prove to be a weakness in the system is another thing.

As they say in the films, follow the money!

mr.pricket

johngalway wrote: »

mr.pricket wrote: »

Very true but the simple deer tagging system wud do it i think and then if your caught with ur deer at night without the tag then ur screwed even if ur legit and then u stll can only take say 10 if thats the amount issued ad i eat venison alot i think i would need 1O

Another problem is: who's checking? If there's no system of regular, un-announced (if that's a word) checks on game dealers the merry go round will keep going. Penalties would also need to be severe, loss of firearms and large fine at the least. Loss of dealers license would be another.

When no one is checking, and the penalties are SFA, no one will pass any notice.

The quota system I was thinking of would be only for sale to game dealers, not for the shooter to eat themselves, I think that would overly penalise legitimate shooters and be unfair. Whether that'd prove to be a weakness in the system is another thing.

As they say in the films, follow the money!

But shur it can go on and oon then why wud u peanalise a person selling too a game dealer if they had a tag .i eat all mine .but of coarse there has too be checks on game dealers and as long as there tagged there fine so then it would come down too the amount of tags and tagninbers handed out

johngalway

mr.pricket wrote: »

But shur it can go on and oon then why wud u peanalise a person selling too a game dealer if they had a tag .i eat all mine .but of coarse there has too be checks on game dealers and as long as there tagged there fine so then it would come down too the amount of tags and tagninbers handed out

What I mean is, have a set number of deer per season that one deer license holder can sell to a game dealer. A number that they cannot go above. If there was no limit, there'd still be abuse, as one "willing" license holder could take all of a poachers deer and sell them for him to a game dealer. But, if that same deer license holder can only sell (for arguments sake only) 5 deer per season to a game dealer, then lads allegedly selling 300 deer per season to a game dealer will find it very hard to get rid of that number of deer per season.

I do not mean penalise anyone for selling deer with a tag, I'm suggesting putting limits on the numbers one deer license holder can sell to a game dealer per season. Limit the numbers and the money get's limited also, then the prospect of poaching for € gain becomes much less attractive, especially when that limit is coupled with a properly run system of checks that is backed up by real and severe penalties on all of the parties involved from the poacher to the game dealer.

The threat of hitting people in the pocket, and taking their firearms from them is the only way some people will play fair with the rest of the responsible shooters. I'm only suggesting that course for people who continue on poaching for money, not for people who sell that odd deer to a game dealer properly tagged, or for people who eat what they shoot.

I'm also not offering this as a solution to the problem, just a suggestion from my perspective.

E. Fudd

steyrprohunter wrote: »

Hi mr. Pricket, I know the guy who wrote that article and quizzed him on this, his reply goes along these lines " I dont personally know the individuals involved but know of them through a source in the midlands. The group have been reported for this activity and 2 of the "stalkers" were kicked off the letting. I made an error in saying it was a Coillte lease when in fact its a private wood leased from an estate owner. I agree with what your saying about them being the poachers but I do not condone this behaviour." End quote.

In fairness, you actually wrote the article Norman. All anybody has to do is look back on your photos here.

steyrprohunter

What can I say- Ive a split personality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mr.pricket

steyrprohunter wrote: »

Hi mr. Pricket, I know the guy who wrote that article and quizzed him on this, his reply goes along these lines " I dont personally know the individuals involved but know of them through a source in the midlands. The group have been reported for this activity and 2 of the "stalkers" were kicked off the letting. I made an error in saying it was a Coillte lease when in fact its a private wood leased from an estate owner. I agree with what your saying about them being the poachers but I do not condone this behaviour." End quote.

no bother everyone entitled too mistakes and looks like it was dealt with