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A study of Majungasaurus' little arms

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  • Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    It's nuts that they don't appear to even have claws on them. The only thing that makes sense in my mind is that they had become vestigial through lack of use and on the way out. Perhaps if the abelisaurs had survived beyond the Cretaceous they would have evolved into completely armless forms?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Galvasean wrote: »
    It's nuts that they don't appear to even have claws on them. The only thing that makes sense in my mind is that they had become vestigial through lack of use and on the way out. Perhaps if the abelisaurs had survived beyond the Cretaceous they would have evolved into completely armless forms?

    Perhaps... maybe just a pair of little spurs like those of pythons and boas today, to use during mating?


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Such has been proposed of tyrannosaurs, but compared to abelisaurids the arms of tyrannosaurs were quite pronounced and useful looking. Even snake spurs have little claws on them though. In abelisaurs this does not even appear to be present.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Such has been proposed of tyrannosaurs, but compared to abelisaurids the arms of tyrannosaurs were quite pronounced and useful looking. Even snake spurs have little claws on them though. In abelisaurs this does not even appear to be present.

    Right, but the claws in the snakes' spur is corneal; it's actually the remnants of the femur, not a real claw, so the same could have happened with abelisaurs had they lost their arms almost completely.

    I'm thinking tyrannosaurs probably did use their claws like this, by the way- have you seen lizards mating? Lots of scratching going on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Adam Khor wrote: »
    Right, but the claws in the snakes' spur is corneal; it's actually the remnants of the femur, not a real claw, so the same could have happened with abelisaurs had they lost their arms almost completely.

    Hmm, possibly. If the hand section were to fuse
    kgjorlj.jpg
    a fairly decent 'scratching tool' could have potentially been developed.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Hmm, possibly. If the hand section were to fuse
    kgjorlj.jpg
    a fairly decent 'scratching tool' could have potentially been developed.

    Yeah... except that, like I said, they would need someone else to scratch their back XD


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Short legs keep them low to the ground to make scratching easier - less distance to the ground if you fall off?

    majungasaurus.jpg

    Man, Todd Marshall got that one wrong:
    Majungasaurus02.jpg


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Short legs keep them low to the ground to make scratching easier - less distance to the ground if you fall off?

    majungasaurus.jpg

    Man, Todd Marshall got that one wrong:
    Majungasaurus02.jpg

    Long gone are the days in which we thought all dinosaurs looked a lot like their relatives; simple size and slight shape variations on the same model. Yet now they are starting to look as diverse and strange as mammals themselves :D

    The new Majungasaurus version looks almost like a serpent on legs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Even Q had longer legs, and he was a serpent!

    QFront.jpg


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Even Q had longer legs, and he was a serpent!

    QFront.jpg

    >.< Not much to do with the real Q. He never had any legs to begin with.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    quetzalcoatlldef1.jpg


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Galvasean wrote: »
    quetzalcoatlldef1.jpg

    Closer but still... I wonder where people got the idea that Quetzalcoatl had wings...he was more like a Chinese dragon. He was wingless yet able to fly anyways...


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    I think it's a case of trying to apply real world restrictions to a being that exists beyond the realms of our laws of physics.
    This is what he's meant to look like:
    Quetzalcoatl_telleriano.jpg


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Galvasean wrote: »
    I think it's a case of trying to apply real world restrictions to a being that exists beyond the realms of our laws of physics.
    This is what he's meant to look like:
    Quetzalcoatl_telleriano.jpg

    I think the original version is way cooler than the "restricted" ones. I mean, he is supossed to be a god that came from another world (the legend itselfs says so), not an earthly creature. It's either an alien being or from another dimension. There must always be a space for the supernatural, me thinks. :D


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