The Frontline

take everything

Seems to be a discussion on Mental Health tonight.
Not a fan of his but fair play to George Hook talking about his problems.

JonathanAnon

Ah good, you saved me starting the thread... :-)

I wonder will they mention the whole Kate Fitzgerald article, Communications Clinic thing..

irishh_bob

take everything wrote: »

Seems to be a discussion on Mental Health tonight.
Not a fan of his but fair play to George Hook talking about his problems.

hes right about the chemical straight jackets but incorrect about incarceration , that rarely ever happens nowadays unless a crime is committed by someone deemed insane

JonathanAnon

She went to the doctor with a chest infection and came out with anti depressants ??? I wouldnt say that doctor appreciates her telling her story tonight..

That blonde in the front row could do with some anti depressants.. head bowed throughout, looking anxious..

Skid

JonathanAnon wrote: »

She went to the doctor with a chest infection and came out with anti depressants ??? I wouldnt say that doctor appreciates her telling her story tonight..

Could be a case of the GP being on the ball and recognising her problems.

Hard to know, maybe she needed the medication.

nudger

JonathanAnon wrote: »

She went to the doctor with a chest infection and came out with anti depressants ??? I wouldnt say that doctor appreciates her telling her story tonight..

That blonde in the front row could do with some anti depressants.. head bowed throughout, looking anxious..

I'd say that they haven't kicked in yet for her, it takes a while some times months.

JonathanAnon

Skid wrote: »

Could be a case of the GP being on the ball and recognising her problems.

Or maybe he ran out of those antibiotics that we're meant to tell doctors not to give us..

Lady Chatterton

JonathanAnon wrote: »

She went to the doctor with a chest infection and came out with anti depressants ??? I wouldnt say that doctor appreciates her telling her story tonight..

That blonde in the front row could do with some anti depressants.. head bowed throughout, looking anxious..

A bit unfair Jonny, she went to her GP with a chest infection and when her GP asked her how she was feeling, she told the GP about her other issues (i.e her depression).

It is not uncommon for people to present with physical problems but the root cause can be depression.

Lady Chatterton

Kathleen Lynch does my head in, does she not realise she is in government :mad:

Lady Chatterton

Acute admissions have dropped because people are being turned away as the service can't take them.

Skid

I missed most of this programme, but George Hook's contribution on his ongoing Depression was excellent. Well worth catching on the RTE Player when it goes up.

JonathanAnon

MrsD007 wrote: »

Kathleen Lynch does my head in, does she not realise she is in government :mad:

I find that Cork accent (dis, dat, d'other) and her fashion sense take my attention away from what she is saying.. She's very poor at delivering her message..

Lady Chatterton

Skid wrote: »

I missed most of this programme, but George Hook's contribution on his ongoing Depression was excellent. Well worth catching on the RTE Player when it goes up.

Frontline will be repeated again @ 2:25am.

Lapin

I forgot about this. Just switched over after a depressing half hour on BBC1 watching A Question of sport.

It is noticable how Pat is very able to handle issues like this without resorting to the pitying and sycophantic style adapted by some of his colleagues.

I'm looking at you Joe 'whats your difference' Duffy.
Hope you're taking notes between gasps and sighs.

artful_codger

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I find that Cork accent (dis, dat, d'other) and her fashion sense take my attention away from what she is saying.. She's very poor at delivering her message..

looks like Maureen O'Hara on crystal meth.

Lady Chatterton

I admire George's honesty about his depression but he is not qualified to speak about medication.

Lapin

MrsD007 wrote: »

I admire George's honesty about his depression but he is not qualified to speak about medication.

True, but he's right about the money in the health service being spent squandered in the wrong places.

nudger

She comes across like P Flynn on the Late Late show, unconnected to the lives of real people and their problems living in Ireland today. The masses are getting a lecture because we just don't understand.

JonathanAnon

I think it should be pointed out to the audience that George Hook is a FG supporter...

And in reference to George's assertion that his GP was "useless", Joe Duffy has rang in to say that that was the opinion of George Hook and does not represent the views of Pat Kenny or RTE.. :pac:

Skid

Kathleen Lynch talks as if she was still in Opposition :mad:

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nisior

I would hate it more of the power was given to GPs, I went to mine and he just made a joke about it and I haven't had courage to go and find another source of help since.

JonathanAnon

I always wondered... How does a GP ever distinguish between somebody who is seriously depressed because they actually have a chemical imbalance, or somebody who is seriously depressed because at that moment in time their life is sh1t (i.e. lost job, dumped by girlfriend etc etc)

JonathanAnon

"Three huge businesses, with 35 people"

Did he leave out the word "thousand" there?

he's not very happy with his family is he.. I wonder are they watching?

nudger

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I think it should be pointed out to the audience that George Hook is a FG supporter...

And in reference to George's assertion that his GP was "useless", Joe Duffy has rang in to say that that was the opinion of George Hook and does not represent the views of Pat Kenny or RTE.. :pac:

George is proud of his background and that he comes with Blue shirt tendencies but he is also a strong critic of the present government that he feels have let down the country.

Lapin

Am I the only who thought the three women on the panel looked like a Butlins hostess reunion ?

Surely the wardrobe dept in Montrose could have provided one or two of them a (not red) coat for the night and saved them a few blushes.

lastlaugh

They were mad statistics earlier in the progamme, up to 13% of a sample of 5,000 people on Anti-depressants or Tranquilisers? :eek:

Surely that can't be an accurate statistic?

If it is correct, it's an alarmingly high percentage.

JonathanAnon

lastlaugh wrote: »

They were mad statistics earlier in the progamme, up to 13% of a sample of 5,000 people on Anti-depressants or Tranquilisers?

I found those figures to be extremely high also.. I would have guessed 3% or less...

Lady Chatterton

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I always wondered... How does a GP ever distinguish between somebody who is seriously depressed because they actually have a chemical imbalance, or somebody who is seriously depressed because at that moment in time their life is sh1t (i.e. lost job, dumped by girlfriend etc etc)

If someones depression is due to a break-up, bereavement or a job loss, this type of depression is called "Reactive Depression". A lot of people with this type of depression are successfully treated with talk therapy/counselling. Medication can be prescribed too but its normally a low dose for a short period of time.

If a patient is diagnosed with depression and a root cause can't be readily identified, I would say they are more likely to be given anti-depressants to help stabilize their condition.

hondasam

I think the frontline should have had better qualified people on the panel.

amacachi

lastlaugh wrote: »

They were mad statistics earlier in the progamme, up to 13% of a sample of 5,000 people on Anti-depressants or Tranquilisers? :eek:

Surely that can't be an accurate statistic?

If it is correct, it's an alarmingly high percentage.

The amount of people (especially women) from middle age onwards who are constantly on diazepam is amazing, as is the amount of drinking in that age group.

TiGeR KiNgS

lastlaugh wrote: »

They were mad statistics earlier in the progamme, up to 13% of a sample of 5,000 people on Anti-depressants or Tranquilisers? :eek:

Surely that can't be an accurate statistic?

If it is correct, it's an alarmingly high percentage.

Well it is a fact after-all that 62% of statistics are made up on the spot and I'm 81% confident of that.

Skid

lastlaugh wrote: »

They were mad statistics earlier in the progamme, up to 13% of a sample of 5,000 people on Anti-depressants or Tranquilisers? :eek:

Surely that can't be an accurate statistic?

If it is correct, it's an alarmingly high percentage.

Here is a link to the report where they obtained those statistics,

http://www.nacd.ie/publications/drug_use_ireland.pdf

The figures quoted on the Programme are on Page 13 ,


10.4% of 15-64 Year Olds were on Anti-Depressant medication in 2010/11
13.9% of 15-64 Year Olds had taken Tranquilisers/Sedatives in 2010/11

It is further analysed by Gender and Age in the Report

Based on a sample of 7,669 respondents (5,134 in Ireland and 2,535 in Northern Ireland)

Far more than I would have expected.

dangermouse123

George Hook's comments added to the stigma of mental illness. He dismissed stress as a cause with a some can be unaffected some can't, he was ignorant and extremely insensitive in his comments about add/adhd(a highly stigmatized condition).. which he didn't even know the name for. He expressed a aggressive and damaging view on medication being our option instead of a "straight jacket" then gave an extremely reckless story of his health damaging action replacing his mother's medication with placebos, without her knowledge!

He did not qualify his comments about his medication switching story. He gave no concern for the results or offense caused by his words. His attitude degraded professionals and added shame to this with depression, especially if they took anti depressants.. or as Pat calls them "tranquilizers". Anyone with adhd/add would feel stigmatized by his comments, as would parents of children with the condition. Georges words would make people feel ashamed and less likely to be open about adhd and getting medical treatment for depression.

Shame on him and his self serving behavior.

dangermouse123

p.s. people who are given a course of anti depressants as part of their treatment for depression and anxiety disorder have significantly lower chance of a relapse. Why are people so shocked by the medication rather than the condition?

dangermouse123

hondasam wrote: »

I think the frontline should have had better qualified people on the panel.

well said, dangerous ill informed anecdotes of a loud mouth egotist (/hook) need to have a educated person/professional there to point out how wrong those views are. Not one mental health professional on the panel. The show added to stigma.

dangermouse123

amacachi wrote: »

The amount of people (especially women) from middle age onwards who are constantly on diazepam is amazing, as is the amount of drinking in that age group.

I have to say, while there is a problem with diazepam, it is dangerous to point to that issue over mental health problems or use it against anti depressants which are completely different. They have saved countless lives and given others their quality of life back. They counter the brain chemistry of depression, they do not make people feel good. They are a vital part in the treatment of many conditions. They are not what the show and George Hook in particular made them out to be. Hook's views are ignorant, stigmatizing and potentially endangering. He added to the stigma of ADHD and taking medication as part of a person's treatment.

dangermouse123

MrsD007 wrote: »

If someones depression is due to a break-up, bereavement or a job loss, this type of depression is called "Reactive Depression". A lot of people with this type of depression are successfully treated with talk therapy/counselling. Medication can be prescribed too but its normally a low dose for a short period of time.

If a patient is diagnosed with depression and a root cause can't be readily identified, I would say they are more likely to be given anti-depressants to help stabilize their condition.

by and large correct, reactive conditions like PTSD will usually require medication to help a patient get to a place where therapy can be more effective. Sort of a two and two makes five situation where medication combined with talking therapy work more effectively together. Getting the most comes in these cases with a combined approach. Anti depressant get huge amounts of bad and reckless press and are highly stigmatized, this was shown and re enforced by the ill informed comments on the frontline.

dangermouse123

Skid wrote: »

I missed most of this programme, but George Hook's contribution on his ongoing Depression was excellent. Well worth catching on the RTE Player when it goes up.

george hook's comments were disgraceful, arrogant and stigmatizing. his comments compounded negative attitudes and in his story about his mother were reckless and dangerous. how anyone can praise him is very worrying. :mad:

dangermouse123

skid, did you hear what he said, he doesn't swallow stress as a cause of mental ill health, add is a made up condition, medication is a modern version of a straight jacket, i gave my mother placebos and she came out better than she was before i took her to the psychiatrist who told me she was off her rocker!!!!!! how did he help?.... everything he said was negative and added to shame and stigma around mental health problems and getting help!

dangermouse123

irishh_bob wrote: »

hes right about the chemical straight jackets but incorrect about incarceration , that rarely ever happens nowadays unless a crime is committed by someone deemed insane

it is incorrect, ignorant and irresponsible to say medication is a chemical straight jacket. Most people taking anti depressants would feel the reverse, you would not see them and know. People who might know would be people who knew them and saw them getting their lives together and enjoying life again. That bears no resemblance to a chemical straight jacket. You can use drugs to incapacitate people, but that is not what they are used for in society. That is an old stereotype and a stigmatizing view.

This view stigmatizes mental health problems, especially if someone needs medication to help.Many conditions have medication as the treatment, not therapy, as they are biological conditions that cannot be talked away.

The ignorance is frightening.

artful_codger

bump.

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