how much training shold a beginner do before he gets in the ring?

fatwarren

Havermeyer

It would probably help if you elaborated a little more.

walshb

fatwarren wrote: »

How long is a piece of string?

I would have to agree with the reply above, you would need to provide some info, such as age, weight, height, rough estimate of cardio fitness, other sports played, if you excelled in other sports etc?

Everbody is different. Some people could take a long time training and STILL not be ready, as maybe their coordination and balance ect just aren't good enough, or maybe their fitness is just not good enough.

But, for an average male, early to mid 20s, reasonably toned and reasonably fit, who has ok balance and coordination, I would say 6-8 weeks of decent training and you could get in the ring and hold your own against a male of similar experience (weight pretty much the same, obvioulsy).

tryingmybestt

depends whether you want to compete or just get fit

if getting fit i'd say 3 times a week is ok

if competing it totally depends on you commitment and desire...

when i first started training i got obsessed and trained 6 days a week, usually running 5 days in the morning as well as training in the evening

i would go sparring to different clubs once a week when nearing competitions and spar 3 times a week in my own club

i kept a dairy of all my training days

if your a total beginner i'd say train as hard as you can and your trainer will know whn you are ready to fight, it could be 3 months or it could be 6 months, it depends.

when i mean ready i mean ready to compete in first proper fight, not sparring in club. You can start sparring immediately, trainers might put you in on first night to see what your mentality is

tryingmybestt

forgot to say join a club before you start practising technique otherwise you'll pick up bad habits and they can be hard to get rid off....e.g. not keeping elbos tucked in, chin down or left hand high enough....

if you want to get fit before joining concentrate on road work and press ups/sit ups etc.

for road work do 3 mile runs and other days do short sprints

fatwarren

thanks for the replies. im fairly fit. do about 4 runs a week and 2 swims. just curious anyway

thanks

Seanergy

My cuz trained up for a 'charity' box, he was in great shape but when it came to fight night he didn't have the inner want to really hurt the other guy so he got badly beat! Regardless of fitness do you have the hunger?

walshb

Seanergy wrote: »

My cuz trained up for a 'charity' box, he was in great shape but when it came to fight night he didn't have the inner want to really hurt the other guy so he got badly beat! Regardless of fitness do you have the hunger?

As the saying goes, no good deed goes unpunished. The ring is no place for compassion.

How you getting on, by the way?

Seanergy

Me, grand ya, smiling once people don't judge me too quick as always 1 paycheck away from the gutter!

gene_tunney

Seanergy wrote: »

My cuz trained up for a 'charity' box, he was in great shape but when it came to fight night he didn't have the inner want to really hurt the other guy so he got badly beat! Regardless of fitness do you have the hunger?

You don't require the inner want to hurt somebody to win. In fact in can sometimes be detrimental and make you too amped up. The best boxers are calm and composed; look at the Klitschko brothers - they always express regret if an opponent goes to hospital afterwards but they still get the job done.

tryingmybestt

gene_tunney wrote: »

You don't require the inner want to hurt somebody to win. In fact in can sometimes be detrimental and make you too amped up. The best boxers are calm and composed; look at the Klitschko brothers - they always express regret if an opponent goes to hospital afterwards but they still get the job done.

in boxing all great fighters have the killer instinct...

the klitschko's have it during the fight ...they express remorse AFTER they knock them out lol

you can have the killer instinct and be calm and collected e.g. tszyu, duran, tyson, frazier etc.

Seanergy

@gene_tunney

I think you jumped at my words and went into auto reply. And how do the Klitschko bros get the job done? answer by hurting the other guy! Therefore they have an inner want to hurt! I'm not talking about loosing composure or not being calm.

This thread ain't about me, fatwarren is curious and claims to be fit and wants to know how much training a beginner needs before getting in the ring. If your going to get in the ring you need to be prepared to hurt the other guy continuously and afterwards you can express as much regret as you want to or don't want to.

So fatwarren is fit but does he have the hunger?

gene_tunney

Seanergy wrote: »

@gene_tunney

I think you jumped at my words and went into auto reply. And how do the Klitschko bros get the job done? answer by hurting the other guy! Therefore they have an inner want to hurt! I'm not talking about loosing composure or not being calm.

This thread ain't about me, fatwarren is curious and claims to be fit and wants to know how much training a beginner needs before getting in the ring. If your going to get in the ring you need to be prepared to hurt the other guy continuously and afterwards you can express as much regret as you want to or don't want to.

So fatwarren is fit but does he have the hunger?

They get the job done by hurting the other guy, but that doesn't mean they have an inner want to do it. It's easy to detach oneself from the situation and mechanically punch someone and try to knock them out; it doesn't mean you have an inner desire to do damage IMO.

fatwarren

Seanergy wrote: »

@gene_tunney

I think you jumped at my words and went into auto reply. And how do the Klitschko bros get the job done? answer by hurting the other guy! Therefore they have an inner want to hurt! I'm not talking about loosing composure or not being calm.

This thread ain't about me, fatwarren is curious and claims to be fit and wants to know how much training a beginner needs before getting in the ring. If your going to get in the ring you need to be prepared to hurt the other guy continuously and afterwards you can express as much regret as you want to or don't want to.

So fatwarren is fit but does he have the hunger?

ive been advised to take it up b4 i end up in serious trouble so i would say i have the hunger. i'd take pleasure out of beating somebodys face to a pulp in the ring but i wouldnt think its that simple. the other guy is gona be just as hungry as you so i wouldnt think its advisable to underestimate another fighter. all it takes is a lucky shot and you can be out cold regardless of the how fit you are. however i dont like losing, ever so i would say i have it

walshb

fatwarren wrote: »

ive been advised to take it up b4 i end up in serious trouble so i would say i have the hunger. i'd take pleasure out of beating somebodys face to a pulp in the ring but i wouldnt think its that simple. the other guy is gona be just as hungry as you so i wouldnt think its advisable to underestimate another fighter. all it takes is a lucky shot and you can be out cold regardless of the how fit you are. however i dont like losing, ever so i would say i have it

I replied to Seanergy a post or two back thinking I was replying to the OP. Aplogies. I meant the reply to you, fatwarren, how the training was coming along?

Can I ask, why is it that you would "take pleasure" from beating someone's face to a pulp? What is pleasureable with this?

Maybe controlled and disciplined amateur boxing is not for you. If you enjoy violence, which is what is seems like, then I wouldn't be at all happy in giving you much advice.

So, what is it?

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

They get the job done by hurting the other guy, but that doesn't mean they have an inner want to do it. It's easy to detach oneself from the situation and mechanically punch someone and try to knock them out; it doesn't mean you have an inner desire to do damage IMO.

I agree with this really. Seems like we have two ends of the spectrum. Nobody has to be nasty, violent, psychotic etc to have a "killer instinct." The klits simply do the job, and may not possess the same wanton "savagery" as some other, but also, nor do they suffer fools gladly.

In relation to this little topic, it seems that Seanergy's couisn was at the other end of the spectrum. He lacked any semblance of killer instinct to the point where it even allowed the foe to beat him up. No way the kilt's are like that.

Manny has showed several times compassion and concern for opponents. But, he still gets the job done, and brutally at times too.

I guess what I am trying to say is that there are levels of killer insticnct/ferociousness in fighters. Some may possess it that bit more; does not necessarily make those who possess it less any less efficient.

I only watched Ali-Lyle last night and again Ali shows his mercy/compassion in the ring. He also displayed this against Cooper and Quarry. I am aware that he could show a cruel side, shown against Terrell; but there's a real story behind that. In general Ali was a great fighter, but also a gentle man in nature, and this is evident in some of his bouts.

Ali, for a boxer, whose job it is to punch a person, really was a gentle kind of man. But, he was so so efficient as well. The Greatest.

Tyson, on the other hand, was a man who was highly strung, passionate and almost got kicks out of inflicting pain. Many fighters display different levels of intensity as regards this "killer instinct."

Look at our own Martin Rogan. He eased up, and almost felt sorry for Sexton, allowing Sexton recover, and then Rogan lost. That was a bad move by Rogan that night, and a bit unnecessary too. Not like he had hit Sexton with many many unanswered shots. He just had him hurt, going, and then eased off?

No deed goes........

gene_tunney

Glad to see we do agree on something walshb! Well kind of anyway

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

Glad to see we do agree on something walshb! Well kind of anyway

I think we underestimate each other, Gene!:p

tryingmybestt

I think the reality is and any fighter will confirm this, when a boxer enters the ring his mentality and focus alter and during the fight he does want to ko, hurt, damage his opponent because this means winning and he'll do anything to win

obviously when not in the ring most fighters don't want to harm anyone but in the ring fighters want to win and the best way to win is to get the ko

it's a competitive sport and any fighter without that fire would not really do well IMO

tryingmybestt

a perfect example of the need for killer instinct is when mcguigan killed his opponent for a while he lost his killer instinct and he admits that this held his performances back a lot