"Hacker" To be Extradited

Freddie59

http://news.sky.com/home/video/uk-news/video/16148715

Feckin' journos - can they ever get it right? The guy put up a website which contained links to sites which offered copyrighted material. Interesting argument put forward by his solicitor was, basically, aren't Google and other search engines doing precisely the same?

Immaculate Pasta

Could he look any more like a student?

EDIT: In all seriousness I see this as an attempt by America to police the world.

44leto

Poor Kunt
American prisons are not for the feint hearted never mind a stupid spotty student head.

I personally hate hackers and those that send computer viruses out among us. But I feel sorry for this one who I am sure will be made an example of and given 10 years.

Its a bit daft, they get a Brit because the US has some sort of extradition treaty while the real problem is in China, Russia, India and many other worldwide countries which they don't have a treaty with.

So no they should not extradite him.

Sheeps

I would like to know how the term "hacker" came to become associated with negativity.

44leto

Sheeps wrote: »

I would like to know how the term "hacker" came to become associated with negativity.

How is it positive, they get into systems to steal.

kevmol88

Echoes of the Gary Mckinnon case

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

... not one thing in that video showed that he was any sort of a "hacker". It seems all he did is create a directory that linked others to where they can access copyrighted material?

It's almost as bad as those that say their Facebook accounts were "hacked", when someone leaves it open.

Cantona's Collars

The movie industry bigwigs want their pound of flesh and will get it.I know what he did was wrong but as was stated his site didn't contain any copyrighted material even if he did make nearly £150,000 from advertising on the site.

amacachi

Brits should be ashamed if they extradite him.

cabbage kid

44leto wrote: »

How is it positive, they get into systems to steal.

And for the lulz, those are important too.

44leto

All I know is hackers are costing me nearly 70 e a year in virus protection, so I do not like them.

sheesh

44leto wrote: »

How is it positive, they get into systems to steal.

hacking is a term for programming as in a journalist being referred to as a 'hack' was not always so negatively regarded.


also what he did was not hacking. it was copyright infringement.

Notorious97

44leto wrote: »

How is it positive, they get into systems to steal.

Thats one kind of 'hacker' i guess you could call them, but to me 'hackers' are people who have helped develop safe Jailbreaks for my Iphone for example, allowing me to customise my phone to my liking, I do not use a Jailbreak for piracy

'Hackers' in my view contribute more than the 'bad ones' take, true there is alot of malicious stuff out there, but I dont view hackers as bad, i view the as*holes who create programs to damage your device as bad.

This is another stupid example of America throwing their weight around, similar to that UK lad they were after a while ago, not sure if they got him in the end! Hope not

Sheeps

44leto wrote: »

How is it positive, they get into systems to steal.

This is a very naive understanding of the term "hacker".

stupidusername

cabbage kid wrote: »

And the lulz, those are important too.

the most important part you might say

44leto wrote: »

All I know is hackers are costing me nearly 70 e a year in virus protection, so I do not like them.

severe facepalm

Dyr

44leto wrote: »

All I know is hackers are costing me nearly 70 e a year in virus protection, so I do not like them.

Nah your own lack of cop on is costing you 70 bills a year

44leto

44leto wrote: »

How is it positive, they get into systems to steal.

What about Anonymous, the "hacktivists", that took down a lot of online child porn rings, releasing the account details of their members? That's a pretty damned positive thing.

Spunge

has a US citizen ever been extradited to the UK ? Or anywhere for that matter

44leto

Sheeps wrote: »

This is a very naive understanding of the term "hacker".

Will the hackers pay for my virus protection???

A bill I owe because of them.

44leto

Bambi wrote: »

Nah your own lack of cop on is costing you 70 bills a year

And so, I still like millions of others have that lack of cop on about computers. Just like others have a lack of cop-on about how to secure your house from burglaries.

mikemac1

The US authorities claim he deleted critical files from operating systems, which shut down the US Army’s Military District of Washington network of 2,000 computers for 24 hours, as well as deleting US Navy Weapons logs, rendering a naval base's network of 300 computers inoperable after the September 11th terrorist attacks.

McKinnon is also accused of copying data, account files and passwords onto his own computer. US authorities claim the cost of tracking and correcting the problems he caused was over $700,000.

I see no reason McKinnon should not be in jail

That's a lot of money wasted and problems caused

cabbage kid

44leto wrote: »

All I know is hackers are costing me nearly 70 e a year in virus protection, so I do not like them.

You really don't need to spend money to be well protected, I'd say you're costing yourself 70 euro

mikom

44leto wrote: »

Will the hackers pay for my virus protection???

A bill I owe because of them.

You should try hacking Microsoft security essentials.

overshoot

Freddie59 wrote: »

http://news.sky.com/home/video/uk-news/video/16148715

Feckin' journos - can they ever get it right? The guy put up a website which contained links to sites which offered copyrighted material. Interesting argument put forward by his solicitor was, basically, aren't Google and other search engines doing precisely the same?

google is the same. add file:torrent to your search and you will get the same results, it is only a search engine, not a host. torrents arent necessarily illegal, look at mininova (now;)) it has to filter its results (proof of legality or something is required), which google or his site doesnt do!

44leto

44leto wrote: »

And so, I still like millions of others have that lack of cop on about computers. Just like others have a lack of cop-on about how to secure your house from burglaries.

Erm - that's a completely wrong comparison to make. The only way you could compare them is if you were to invite them in to your home blindly for tea and they then rob you. Most of the time you open yourself up to hackers is if you download something dodgy. If you're careful about what you let on your computer then you won't need to worry.

Spunge

lady_gaga_leaked_album.exe

My name is URL

The worst thing is that it goes against an already set precedent. When tv-links.co.uk was shut down a judge ruled that it only acted as a "mere conduit", and under European law people operating such sites cannot be held accountable for what the site links to.

mikemac1

mikemac1 wrote: »

Yes, there was an IRA prisoner who escaped from the Maze prison in the eighties, fled to the USA and got extradited back to serve his sentance

I think they meant if any US Citizens were extradited from the US to serve sentences?

clonadlad

44leto wrote: »

All I know is hackers are costing me nearly 70 e a year in virus protection, so I do not like them.

Microsoft Security Essentials.:rolleyes:

Zab

Kind of surprised that they'd consider extraditing him over this. I assume he'll flee to France if he loses his appeals, I know I would.

whitesands

44leto wrote: »

All I know is hackers are costing me nearly 70 e a year in virus protection, so I do not like them.

That's your own stupidity to be honest, the free ones do the same thing. I've 3 different machines here running 3 different FREE anti viruses & all run fine.

And if it weren't for hackers you'd probably be playing with a ball in your garden, you certainly wouldn't be on the internet.

44leto

44leto wrote: »

How is it positive, they get into systems to steal.

That would be considered a cracker! ie A hacker who uses their skills for bad.

Learn the difference. Fact is, without hackers, you computer system would still be very unsecure!! How do you think security bugs are found? "White hat" hackers find the security holes for the computers companies...

As for extraditing him, it's ridiculous! It just shows that America really want to control the world by enforcing their own laws... :mad:

Killer Pigeon

Hacker? How is he a hacker? He set up a website containing links that would otherwise be readily available on google. He just made it more convenient for people who weren't arsed to use google. TvShack never hosted any of the material, as far as I'm aware.

I mean if you arrest him, you might as well arrest the CEO of google, yahoo and most other internet search engine providers. This student was just an easy target for cowardly US law enforcement.

There's no real way of controlling piracy on the internet nowadays, other than shutting the whole thing down.

Killer Pigeon

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

There's no real way of controlling piracy on the internet nowadays, other than shutting the whole thing down.

That is what they're trying to do with SOPA...

Killer Pigeon

Deleted User wrote: »

That is what they're trying to do with SOPA...

It'll never work though. It would be impossible for the US alone to combat internet piracy.

Killer Pigeon

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

It'll never work though. It would be impossible for the US alone to combat internet piracy.

No point in turning into a SOPA thread, but in fairness, most of the major websites would just become crap, they would have to move country...

Ellis Dee

amacachi wrote: »

Brits should be ashamed if they extradite him.

They (the leaders, not necessarily the people) should be ashamed of being such brown-tonguers of the Americans in every other respect as well. The Brits don't do shame, don't even know what it is!:rolleyes:

They refused to extradite the mass-murderer Pinochet to their EU partner Spain to face charges of killing citizens of that country, but will send one of their own citizens to face trial in a justice system so capricious that possessing a joint can get you 20 years, but wiping a Vietnamese village and hundreds of its inhabitants off the face of the earth got Lieutenant Calley a few months in the hoosegow and decades of lucrative lecture tours after that. :):)

"American justice" has to be the ultimate oxymoron.:eek:

Killer Pigeon

Deleted User wrote: »

No point in turning into a SOPA thread, but in fairness, most of the major websites would just become crap, they would have to move country...

There are plenty of Caribbean/Micronesian/Polynesian states that are willing to host these sort of piracy websites - great way to boost their national income. Though you'd probably have the US bombing web-servers on small little islands then.

UglyBolloxFace

Freddie59 wrote: »

http://news.sky.com/home/video/uk-news/video/16148715

Feckin' journos - can they ever get it right? The guy put up a website which contained links to sites which offered copyrighted material. Interesting argument put forward by his solicitor was, basically, aren't Google and other search engines doing precisely the same?

"Hacker"? Sky News, ****ing idiots. Since when does setting up a website make you a 'hacker'?

CiaranMT

44leto wrote: »

All I know is hackers are costing me nearly 70 e a year in virus protection, so I do not like them.

LOL. What anti-virus are you throwing €70 away on???

On the story, the ruling says he can be extradited. It'll be a long while (if at all) before he is.

Freddie59

CiaranMT wrote: »

LOL. What anti-virus are you throwing €70 away on???

On the story, the ruling says he can be extradited. It'll be a long while (if at all) before he is.

Not a nice one to have over you though. Regarding the anti-virus, I use Avast. Free and effective.

RichieC

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

Could he look any more like a student?

EDIT: In all seriousness I see this as an attempt by America to police the world.

Be worried. They are starting to sell piracy as a patriotic issue in america now.

"theyre stealing american jobs" ~ pro SOPA ad.

RichieC

44leto wrote: »

All I know is hackers are costing me nearly 70 e a year in virus protection, so I do not like them.

I am also ignorant and proud of it.

ejmaztec

RichieC wrote: »

Be worried. They are starting to sell piracy as a patriotic issue in america now.

"theyre stealing american jobs" ~ pro SOPA ad.

The Chinese have already stolen them, and ours.:(

msg11

Hacker? What did he hack (crack) ?

Google provide the same service ?? What's the issue here?

Dj Stiggie

Spunge wrote: »

has a US citizen ever been extradited to the UK ? Or anywhere for that matter

As of 1980 the US wouldn't extradite one of its citizens to face charges abroad. That's why a Swedish judge sent Frank Abignale Jr. (the guy from Catch Me If You Can) to the US, because he didn't believe he should be bounced around from country to country to face jail terms for the rest of his life. I don't know if things have changed since.