Joining the army as on officer from another country .

TomaEduard

Hello ! i'm Eduard , i'm currently student in a military academy in EU . After graduation i'm willing to join the irish army . Information regarding the process of joining is quite hard to find and the contact service on military.ie seems to not actually be reading emails . So basically if here is anyone that could provide any kind of usefull info , i'd be more than grateful for any piece of info .

I already know that i need to meet some qualifications . what does level 8 of national framework of qualifications mean in our marking system ( marks range from 1 to 10 -average of license exam mark and mark of the diploma thesis itself ) ?
Furthermore i'd like to know if Ordinary/Higher level subjects are the courses a student usually undergoes during a semester .. what does D3 grade mean in our marking system ( marks range the same from 1 to 10 ) ?

That's just to begin with ... i have many more questions waiting for answers ! I'm also a little under the pressure of time :> ! thank you all in advance !

Lemming

TomaEduard wrote: »

I already know that i need to meet some qualifications . what does level 8 of national framework of qualifications mean in our marking system ( marks range from 1 to 10 -average of license exam mark and mark of the diploma thesis itself ) ?
Furthermore i'd like to know if Ordinary/Higher level subjects are the courses a student usually undergoes during a semester .. what does D3 grade mean in our marking system ( marks range the same from 1 to 10 ) ?

Hi Eduard,

If you read this link, you'll find an explanation around the national framework of qualifications; level 8 refers to holders of a Bachelors degree with honours (any level of honours afaik).

The ordinary/higher level thing is a secondary level education thing with school students taking a subject at either ordinary or higher (honours) level standard. The level taken has a direct impact on 'points' awarded from results which go towards determining entry into third level as per the CAO admissions system which is impartial & points-based only.

The d3 question is again for secondary level education results. Out of marks of 100, from what I can remember, it is as follows:

• A1 : 95-100%
• A2 : 85 - 94%
• B1 : 80 - 84%
• B2 : 75 - 79%
• B3 : 70 - 74%
• C1 : 65 - 69%
• C2 : 60 - 64%
• C3 : 55 - 59% (Start of honours level marks)
• D1 : 50 - 54%
• D2 : 45 - 49%
• D3 : 40 - 44%
• E/F : Below 39% so doesn't matter. You've failed.

TomaEduard

Thank you for the link . My graduation diploma is level 8. It was much more than usefull . I just checked my grades from highschool and i have attained much more than D3 .
Basicaly after graduation i'll have all the needed qualifications plus the officer brevet .
Hence the army officer is not a regulated profession ,do i have to equivalate this one too or the carrer's department will simply recognise it ?
What is the admission in army process' next point after receiveing the statement of comparability ?
Can i still work for the the ministery of defence while my aplliance papers are in ireland ?
During the whole process of application for a job i'll have to stay in ireland ?
How long does it usually takes for a foreign officer to join the army ?

And many more other questions yet to come ... .

westdub

To join the Army as a Officer Cadet you must have lived here for at least one year before applying and for four of the previous eight years also...

Having a period of one (1) years continuous residence in the state immediately prior to the closing
date of application for a Cadetship in the year of competition and during the eight (8) years
immediately preceding that period have had a total residence in the state amounting to four (4) years.
Periods of illegal residence or residence of an asylum seeker do not count in the qualifying period.

http://www.military.ie/fileadmin/user_upload/images/careers/booklets/Officer_Cadet_Booklet.pdf

TomaEduard

I do not want to apply for standhurst . i have already followed a military academy . i just want to apply for job .

Socialist_Pig

TomaEduard wrote: »

I do not want to apply for standhurst . i have already followed a military academy . i just want to apply for job .

do you mean mean sandhurst?wrong country Toma

westdub

TomaEduard wrote: »

How long does it usually takes for a foreign officer to join the army ?

And many more other questions yet to come ... .

If you are a officer from a foreign country why would you be trying to join the Irish army??

Also I doubt you would be joining as a officer without doing the full 15 months at the officer cadet school, and to do that you would have to be living here.
you can still apply to join as a regular soldier but there is a long waiting list for that....

Sunday December 11th 2005
ANDREW BUSHE

A SOUTH African woman doctor has become the first foreign officer in the rapidly changing Defence Forces.

And she is soon to be joined by two other non-nationals who are undergoing training as soldiers.

At the moment there are only a handful of foreign born soldiers in the ranks of our forces.

The female officer was recruited to serve as the doctor for troops on UN duty in the west African country of Liberia. A captain, she is now working in St Bricin's Hospital in Dublin.

She has been succeeded in the Liberian area by a Czech doctor who also holds the rank of captain.

Eight non-nationals applied to join up in the most recent enlistment campaign, but four failed to turn up for interview. The other two failed their interview.

A spokesman said the army is keen to open up its ranks, to reflect the increasingly multiethnic population. Membership has always been open to foreigners, but there are still only a handful serving including a Lebanese, a Dutchman and a German.

Foreign applicants must fulfil minimum height and physical fitness requirements, hold the education qualifications needed and be resident in the country.

Candidates from outside the EU must have three years' legal and unbroken residency; and have a work permit and a security clearance.

The spokesman said that for some candidates, particularly refugees, there can be problems in getting a security clearance from their country of origin.

TomaEduard

My motivation is quite a private matter .I am really sorry for not being still able to explain in a public matter why i want to do that . I do actually know a case of a foreign officer , who's studies(same studies) were equivalated and he managed to join the army without having to undergo a military academy . Nor did he have a too long period of residence in ireland . But i can't contact him ! I simply don't have any contact details . Pardon me for the sandhurst mistake . I simply have thought of something and typed something else .

tac foley

TomaEduard - there is no way on earth that you are going to move from being an officer in the army of any foreign nation straight into the Irish Army, or any other army, without having gone through the training mill of that country. It is not like being a plumber or auto mechanic.

By joining the armed forces of ANY nation, you are offering them a blank check, to be drawn to the value of your life, if needed.

There are, however, numerous exchange programmes, where officers spend a tour with the equivalent force of another nation. My own former organisation carried out regular exchange officer tours with the USA, and the British RAF also sends its pilots to other NATO nations, in exchange for one of theirs.

Joining the armed forces of another nation means swearing an oath of allegiance to that foreign nation, too.

tac

TomaEduard

There's no way i would be able to practice my profession without being trained to do it in a certain matter . I am aware of the fact that i'll have to go through (at least ) a basic course and a series of tests . It is quite certain for me that this process is not familiar to many , as it is not to me either . I thank you for the warnings raised but i already had that part of info . Back to being on topic ... if there's any piece of info ( related to the subject ) any of you can offer i'd be grateful .

pablomakaveli

I'd say the best thing to do would be to contact the Defence Forces and ask them themselves. I'd imagine you'd have to contact the recruitment section in the Curragh since officers are recruited and trained there.

goldie fish

TomaEduard wrote: »

There's no way i would be able to practice my profession without being trained to do it in a certain matter . I am aware of the fact that i'll have to go through (at least ) a basic course and a series of tests . It is quite certain for me that this process is not familiar to many , as it is not to me either . I thank you for the warnings raised but i already had that part of info . Back to being on topic ... if there's any piece of info ( related to the subject ) any of you can offer i'd be grateful .

An bhfuil aon gaeilge ort? Tá a lán aonad tríd an arm go bhfuill bearla an teanga is fearr, ach, nuar a mbeadh to ag dul go Gallaimh, gaeilge an teanga. Rinneadh gach ordú as Gaeilge freisin. Ni thuigim go bhfuill a lán bearla agat.
:rolleyes:

tac foley

Goldie Fish mo Chara - Tá amhras orm láidir go bhfuil ár gcara aon Ghaeilge ar chor ar bith. Ní Tá go leor tíortha san AE go bhfuil an t-ádh a bheith acu teanga cosúil linne, go bhfuil aon duine eile.

tadhg Ó Foghláda [tac]

goldie fish

tac foley wrote: »

Goldie Fish mo Chara - Tá amhras orm láidir go bhfuil ár gcara aon Ghaeilge ar chor ar bith. Ní Tá go leor tíortha san AE go bhfuil an t-ádh a bheith acu teanga cosúil linne, go bhfuil aon duine eile.

tadhg Ó Foghláda [tac]

Ní Thuigim tú. An bhfuill tú ag úsaideann an "Aistríthoir"?

bwatson

TomaEduard wrote: »

There's no way i would be able to practice my profession without being trained to do it in a certain matter . I am aware of the fact that i'll have to go through (at least ) a basic course and a series of tests . It is quite certain for me that this process is not familiar to many , as it is not to me either . I thank you for the warnings raised but i already had that part of info . Back to being on topic ... if there's any piece of info ( related to the subject ) any of you can offer i'd be grateful .

Why do you actually want to join the Irish Army?

You haven't alluded to any connection to Ireland so I assume you want a career in the military but not the danger of being sent to somewhere such as Afghanistan?

constantg

OP unless you're a seriously sought after medical or specialist in another field I reckon you're looking at 15 months in the glen, lad.....that is assuming you manage to pass the recruitment and the interview that is...

Morpheus

bwatson wrote: »

Why do you actually want to join the Irish Army?

You haven't alluded to any connection to Ireland so I assume you want a career in the military but not the danger of being sent to somewhere such as Afghanistan?

(",

Good man

Were already IN Afghanistan so what exactly is your point?

Also we currently have a Bn in the Lebannon where 47 Irish Defence Force soldiers have given their lives in service.

Donny5

Morphéus wrote: »

(",

Good man

Were already IN Afghanistan so what exactly is your point?

Also we currently have a Bn in the Lebannon where 47 Irish Defence Force soldiers have given their lives in service.

There's, what, seven troops in Afghanistan? The last combat death was in 1999. The Irish Army is a safe option compared to any of the expeditionary forces. The DF is not a dangerous career path and to claim otherwise is farcical.

Poccington

Donny5 wrote: »

There's, what, seven troops in Afghanistan? The last combat death was in 1999. The Irish Army is a safe option compared to any of the expeditionary forces. The DF is not a dangerous career path and to claim otherwise is farcical.

The DF can, and have been, sent to more than one dangerous part of the world.

Things are quiet now but to suggest that the DF is a guaranteed safe career is farcical.

paky

goldie fish wrote: »

An bhfuil aon gaeilge ort? Tá a lán aonad tríd an arm go bhfuill bearla an teanga is fearr, ach, nuar a mbeadh to ag dul go Gallaimh, gaeilge an teanga. Rinneadh gach ordú as Gaeilge freisin. Ni thuigim go bhfuill a lán bearla agat.
:rolleyes:

ya just in case you get dropped into connemara and can't find your way out

RMD

Poccington wrote: »

The DF can, and have been, sent to more than one dangerous part of the world.

Things are quiet now but to suggest that the DF is a guaranteed safe career is farcical.

It's not a guaranteed safe career but if you were looking to join a military with the intention of avoiding direct combat the PDF would certainly be a wise choice. No disrespect to you or any other currently / previously serving members intended, but it's relatively true.

cruasder777

Poccington wrote: »

The DF can, and have been, sent to more than one dangerous part of the world.

Things are quiet now but to suggest that the DF is a guaranteed safe career is farcical.

Statistically its a very safe career.

Working on a building site is far more dangerous.

tac foley

You get snazzy green suits to wear, and if you are good enough, you get to go to places like the Czech Republic and play snipers AND beat most everybody else, too!

tac, nearly a 'wearer of the green'