Plan permission - What does it cover?

thecommander

If I apply for, and get planning permission on a set of plans for a house on a piece of land, does that cover the whole house, or just the exterior?

What I really want to know is if I have planning permission, and decide to change the rooms around internally after I've got it, do I have to reapply. Or is it a case that once the outside stays the same then Im fine?

Thanks

Poor Uncle Tom

It depends on the conditions of the planning itself. Generally, all planning permissions start off with a condition stating that the development should be carried out in accordance with the plans and documents submitted on xxx date.

If this is the case the planning permission only covers the plans submitted, with minor changer or alterations being allowed under letter of easement. An entire change around and re-layout would require a new permission, but as always clarification of this point is always advised from the planner.

thecommander

Thanks for the reply.

Was hoping I could just roughly do the inside, but show them the 95% finished outside.

Don't want to go thru the whole process only for it to be knocked at first stage.

muffler

A lot of PA's would not be worried about what way you develop the interior of the house but as stated above you could probably submit a plan to them and a covering letter asking for written permission for "minor amendments"

Bear in mind that you could possibly be in breach of building regs also and your first port of call should be to your arch/technician/engineer or whoever is going to carry out inspections of the works.

shhling

Hi I hope you don't mind if i hijack this thread with a planning query. I'm currently looking at a site with planning permission granted on it in a rural area. It is full permission for a bungalow however if i wanted to make it a dormer with velux windows instead of the actual dormer windows that protrude would i have to reapply again for full planning and would it be expensive. I would not be changing height of house as it is tall enough. I would really love to have a dormer for space and that but would i be taking on a lot of hassle and cost??

Poor Uncle Tom

shhling wrote: »

Hi I hope you don't mind if i hijack this thread with a planning query. I'm currently looking at a site with planning permission granted on it in a rural area. It is full permission for a bungalow however if i wanted to make it a dormer with velux windows instead of the actual dormer windows that protrude would i have to reapply again for full planning and would it be expensive. I would not be changing height of house as it is tall enough. I would really love to have a dormer for space and that but would i be taking on a lot of hassle and cost??

Generally: If the dormer space is being used for storage you may not need a new permission, however, if the dormer space is to be used for habitable purposes you would be looking at a new planning permission. The LA will not pass up the opportunity to charge more contribution fees for the additional floor area.

Regarding whether a new planning application would be expensive or not, you would be best advised to get some prices, ask the person who did the original application, they may be able to do it far more reasonably as they would have all the original information and documentation.

shhling

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Generally: If the dormer space is being used for storage you may not need a new permission, however, if the dormer space is to be used for habitable purposes you would be looking at a new planning permission. The LA will not pass up the opportunity to charge more contribution fees for the additional floor area.

Regarding whether a new planning application would be expensive or not, you would be best advised to get some prices, ask the person who did the original application, they may be able to do it far more reasonably as they would have all the original information and documentation.

Thanks very much for reply, am new to all this. What about if space does not exceed limits think it would still be under 270m2

Poor Uncle Tom

shhling wrote: »

Thanks very much for reply, am new to all this. What about if space does not exceed limits think it would still be under 270m2

What do you mean?

Are you talking about the same Ground Floor Plan as is already granted planning permission only converting the attic into usable space or are you talking about a new dormer design?

shhling

Yes sorry apologies for my lack of clarity. Yes would still be using same groundfloor plan and converting attic space to living space. If i did that would i avoid having to reapply for planning permission. My fear would be that as the permission wouldd not be in my name and it is a rural area would they refuse me if i reapplied to change the existing plans

Poor Uncle Tom

shhling wrote: »

Yes sorry apologies for my lack of clarity. Yes would still be using same groundfloor plan and converting attic space to living space. If i did that would i avoid having to reapply for planning permission.

This means you will need planning permission for what you want to do.

shhling wrote: »

My fear would be that as the permission would not be in my name and it is a rural area would they refuse me if i reapplied to change the existing plans

If there is a residency condition for someone else on the planning permission you would not be considered for that, or any, planning permission on that site, without proving your housing need first.

shhling wrote: »

What about if space does not exceed limits think it would still be under 270m2

You confused me with this quote above, as there is no mention of a 270m2 limit in any of the planning exemption guidelines.

shhling

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

You confused me with this quote above, as there is no mention of a 270m2 limit in any of the planning exemption guidelines.

Thank you so much for all of this helpful information. No i think a meant the 270m2 with regard to the different development levies that councils charged. Think there are 3 different categories and fees.

Poor Uncle Tom

shhling wrote: »

Thank you so much for all of this helpful information. No i think a meant the 270m2 with regard to the different development levies that councils charged. Think there are 3 different categories and fees.

Aahhh...OK!, it depends on the LA as to the actual fees chargeable and the final amount due, it seems you have a handle on that end of it.

muffler

shhling wrote: »

Hi I hope you don't mind if i hijack this thread with a planning query. I'm currently looking at a site with planning permission granted on it in a rural area. It is full permission for a bungalow however if i wanted to make it a dormer with velux windows instead of the actual dormer windows that protrude would i have to reapply again for full planning and would it be expensive. I would not be changing height of house as it is tall enough. I would really love to have a dormer for space and that but would i be taking on a lot of hassle and cost??

A couple of things to bear in mind.

You certainly wont be able to this without planning if there are velux windows to the front of the house. There was a mention here recently on the issue of velux windows on foot of a Bord Pleanala decision. If anyone can recall the details perhaps they could re-post those please.

Developing the attic while the house is under construction as opposed to converting the attic in a house that has been completed are 2 different things.

The roof height and span will dictate if you can have rooms in the attic area and still comply with building regulations.

What county are you in as a matter of interest?

shhling

muffler wrote: »

A couple of things to bear in mind.

You certainly wont be able to this without planning if there are velux windows to the front of the house. There was a mention here recently on the issue of velux windows on foot of a Bord Pleanala decision. If anyone can recall the details perhaps they could re-post those please.

Developing the attic while the house is under construction as opposed to converting the attic in a house that has been completed are 2 different things.

The roof height and span will dictate if you can have rooms in the attic area and still comply with building regulations.

What county are you in as a matter of interest?

Thanks for your reply. Yes I've had a look at the plans they actually designed 2 sets of plans one as a dormer and one as a bungalow but they are same height and width in both houses that was why i was wondering if I could have converted the attic space in bungalow to room space in dormer.

Edited to add i am in North Tipperary