The Iceman.

Boo Radley

Looks interesting. Tense scene which gives a lot away (though is advertised as a promo) you have been warned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDPtT1NYWYM

Here's some background on the real life character.

I'm looking forward to this. I wonder if the Mickey Rourke version is still going ahead?

DoireNod

A tense scene indeed. Sounds very interesting. Based purely on this scene, I already hope that Rourke doesn't bother.

Mickeroo

New trailer for this, have to say it looks great. Delighted that Michael Shannon's career is really taking off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdxKdtt1PjU

D-FENS

Does indeed look splendid, but all that trailer is short of is the end credits, I gave up half way through in case I got a bill from Netflix.

JP Liz V1

Didnt recognise Chris Evans at all

Boo Radley

D-FENS wrote: »

Does indeed look splendid, but all that trailer is short of is the end credits, I gave up half way through in case I got a bill from Netflix.

It is a bit of a 'give lots away' type trailer alright.

Looking forward to seeing how this one pans out though. The Guardian gave it a decent review of 3/5 last week. Here's hoping it delivers.

Marty McFly

Liking the looks of this one, and good to see Michael Shannon get the break he deserves.

darced

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GAAman

The book was fantastic (Not the killing parts obviously but the insight into his character) so I am looking forward to this!

yabadabado

any word on a release date for this?

actuallylike

Don't know about this, Didn't look at the trailer, don't look at any trailers any more, they give too much away and judging from the comments here this is no different. But Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) wasn't just a hitman, he was a serial killer who happened to get paid for it. Not all his victims were 'hits'. I just hope the film isn't a glamorisation of his life like so many other gangster films. I hope it also doesn't show a sensitive side of him battling his emotions. I just feel a bit deterred, knowing that the families of his victims are still alive. Can someone who watched the trailer give me a synopsis of the theme/direction they're going for?

Dtp79

Is chuck Liddell in it?

Marty McFly

actuallylike wrote: »

Don't know about this, Didn't look at the trailer, don't look at any trailers any more, they give too much away and judging from the comments here this is no different. But Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) wasn't just a hitman, he was a serial killer who happened to get paid for it. Not all his victims were 'hits'. I just hope the film isn't a glamorisation of his life like so many other gangster films. I hope it also doesn't show a sensitive side of him battling his emotions. I just feel a bit deterred, knowing that the families of his victims are still alive. Can someone who watched the trailer give me a synopsis of the theme/direction they're going for?

You want someone to give you a synopsis of a trailer you don't want to watch :pac:, just watch the trailer.

actuallylike

Marty McFly wrote: »

You want someone to give you a synopsis of a trailer you don't want to watch :pac:, just watch the trailer.

trailers give too much of the plot away these days along with ruining key scenes and from what everyone has said here this is no different, in fact it seems like they're giving a load away. I just wanted to know if anyone knows is the movie been made in such a way that he is portrayed as an anti-hero of some sort?

Marty McFly

actuallylike wrote: »

trailers give too much of the plot away these days along with ruining key scenes and from what everyone has said here this is no different, in fact it seems like they're giving a load away. I just wanted to know if anyone knows is the movie been made in such a way that he is portrayed as an anti-hero of some sort?

Its hard to tell from a trailer to be honest, but doesn't appear so. Also like many other films of this nature I cant think of many that glamorize it apart from maybe Scarface which even then doesn't have a glamorous ending. Plus you also already seem to know the story behind Iceman so it cant really give away the plot .

SpaceCowb0y

Considering this is a true story and there was already a best selling book based on the interviews which tell the tale of this movie the trailers are hardly spoilers are they? The majority of people who will be interested in this already know exactly whats going to happen! Looking forward to it though i have to say, i cant see them going into half of the stuff thats mentioned in the book though!

actuallylike

Marty McFly wrote: »

Its hard to tell from a trailer to be honest, but doesn't appear so. Also like many other films of this nature I cant think of many that glamorize it apart from maybe Scarface which even then doesn't have a glamorous ending. Plus you also already seem to know the story behind Iceman so it cant really give away the plot .

Thanks, was hoping it wouldn't be a Goodfellas/Casino styled glamorisation.

Marty McFly

actuallylike wrote: »

Thanks, was hoping it wouldn't be a Goodfellas/Casino styled glamorisation.

Not meaning to drag the thread off topic but I don't see how you could call either Goodfellas or Casino a glamorization considering the amount of violence and grizzly ends certain character meet in both, its a true life portrayal if anyone looks at those films and thinks to themselves how glamorous there lives looked I wish my life was like that then I would seriously have to question there mental health .

actuallylike

Marty McFly wrote: »

Not meaning to drag the thread off topic but I don't see how you could call either Goodfellas or Casino a glamorization considering the amount of violence and grizzly ends certain character meet in both, its a true life portrayal if anyone looks at those films and thinks to themselves how glamorous there lives looked I wish my life was like that then I would seriously have to question there mental health .

It may be off topic but I see those films as glamorisation to a certain extent. The lives, money, women. Yes I know it all comes crumbling down, as they always do but there's usually a narration defending their actions in some way, and they always come across as cool in it ("I'm in construction"). Kuklinski, I don't think, deserves this treatment, but as you said, it doesn't look like they're not going down that route.

SpaceCowb0y

actuallylike wrote: »

It may be off topic but I see those films as glamorisation to a certain extent. The lives, money, women. Yes I know it all comes crumbling down, as they always do but there's usually a narration defending their actions in some way, and they always come across as cool in it ("I'm in construction"). Kuklinski, I don't think, deserves this treatment, but as you said, it doesn't look like they're not going down that route.

To be polite he (Kuklinski) was a horrible bastard in real life it would be hard to glamorise him! he was a big ugly polish murderer, not a slick mafioso! I think Shannon is the perfect weirdo to play him too! His character portrayal in Boardwalk Empire of agent Van Alden clearly shows he knows how to play a complete freak!

actuallylike

SpaceCowb0y wrote: »

To be polite he (Kuklinski) was a horrible bastard in real life it would be hard to glamorise him! he was a big ugly polish murderer, not a slick mafioso! I think Shannon is the perfect weirdo to play him too! His character portrayal in Boardwalk Empire of agent Van Alden clearly shows he knows how to play a complete freak!

I know he was a horrible bastard. that's my point. I just want them to portray that so when I see the promo picture with "Loving husband. Devoted father. Ruthless Killer", I get shivers about the angle they're going for.

SpaceCowb0y

actuallylike wrote: »

I know he was a horrible bastard. that's my point. I just want them to portray that so when I see the promo picture with "Loving husband. Devoted father. Ruthless Killer", I get shivers about the angle they're going for.

It is a Hollywood movie its obviously going to have some sort of big marketing tag line to draw interest! And im sure some parts of the movie will either gloss over the extra gory parts of the book or use a bit of artistic licence to make the story work how they want it, thats the nature of Hollywood blockbusters! If you want a really true to life harrowing watch take a look at "Snowtown" possibly one of the grimmest things i've watched and after seeing it a bit of Hollywood is welcome ha!

Saw it this evening and enjoyed it for what it is, a glossy, stylised and unoriginal tale of a killer working for the mob. The script was rather pedestrian and lacked any sense of originality. There was a complete lack of tension and at the best of times it felt like a mini-series that had been edited down to feature length. The cast are excellent, well bar David Schwimmer who is absolutely terrible and is one of cinemas all time great miscasts. His character is supposed to be somewhat pathetic but Schwimmer can't even manage that and every time he opens his mouth you really do wonder if he thought that the film was some spoof of Scorsese's back catalogue. The rest of the cast are great, Shannon in particular is brilliant though to be fair this is a man who even when trying to be sweet and homely (see Groundhog Day) looks as if he's about to go on a murderous rampage. Chris Evans, Ryder, Liotta, etc all turn in good performances but again the script fails them. Most of the characters are one dimensional and exist solely to deliver a line of dialogue or do something to forward the plot.

SpaceCowb0y

Where did you get to see it??

Snake Plisken

Watched this last night brilliant performance from Michael Shannon, interesting the spoiler clip above anyone know who the actor is? Seemed they re-filmed it using Chris Evan's for some reason. Also didn't recognise Stephen Dorff as his brother Joey. Must watch the documentary on youtube.

actually answered my own question via imdb
"Before production began, director Ariel Vromen shot a test scene with Michael Shannon as Richard Kuklinski and Michael Wincott as Robert Pronge. Shannon kept his role in the feature version, while Chris Evans was cast as Robert Pronge."

kryogen

The book was fantastic, if Im being honest I don't think the film does it justice or even scratches the surface of the original material.

(Michael Shannon played the role very well I thought)

Miguel_Sanchez

Shannon was good but I thought the script was fairly clunky.

It's a bit odd that they released that promo scene considering they recast one of the parts.