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What's a Saddle Point?

  • 12-01-2012 10:37pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭


    I'm working through a partial differentiation problem, to which I have the answer.

    The function being 4x^2+4xy-y^3-2x+2 to which the stationary points must be obtained and classified.

    At the end of the working out, when partial differentiation is conducted and a number of -32 is obtained, it states that because this is a negative number this is a "saddle point". Is this another term for a "point of inflection"?

    How can they make this claim? I thought since the number obtained is negative it would therefore be a maximum turning point.

    The second number obtained with the second partial differentiation is 32, and it states since this is a positive number this is a minimum turning point; which I understand.

    Thank you.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 7,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭**Timbuk2**


    7b39b156ed08e3e046885351cfdae62e.png

    There is a saddle point at (a,b) if M(a, b) < 0, evaluated as the above.

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    Here's a graph of your function, courtesy of Wolfram Alpha, the red dot indicates the saddle point - it is a critical point, but it is neither a local maximum or a local minimum - which makes sense from looking at the graph, as it curves up in one direction, but curves down in another, like a mountain pass (or a horse saddle, hence the naming!).

    See this for more info on using the second derivative test: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SecondDerivativeTest.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Smythe


    Thanks very much for that Timbuk2


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 7,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭**Timbuk2**


    No problem. That image doesn't seem to be displaying anymore (it was working earlier)
    to see it, go to http://www.wolframalpha.com/
    and type in saddle points 4x^2+4xy-y^3-2x+2
    and press enter!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭Tau


    Mathematicians are generally good at picking sensible names for things - saddle point is one of these, but is a bit out-dated. A more modern name would be "pringle point".

    The very middle of a pringle is flat, but its not the top of a peak, or the bottom of a hollow - its curving up one way and down the other.


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