eflow...no contract no fees?

Sizzler

Anybody seen or tried this?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dQ-nojch67w

His letters are here

http://tnsradio.ning.com/forum/topics/how-to-stop-an-eflow-notice

A tad off the wall but seems to have worked, maybe they thought it was easier to cancel the charge then pursue it and waste their lawyers time?

Discuss

Our man in Havana

More freeman bull crap. Follow at your own risk of imprisonment.

Sizzler

Our man in Havana wrote: »

More freeman bull crap. Follow at your own risk of imprisonment.

LOL

On that note I have tried to find out how many people have been brought to eflow and successfully had judgements registered, cant see any....I wonder?

Cuddlesworth

Sizzler wrote: »

LOL

On that note I have tried to find out how many people have been brought to eflow and successfully had judgements registered, cant see any....I wonder?

I've seen about four now in the papers. It was for people who had about 4-5k in tolls alone ignoring the fines. I believe in pretty much all the cases, they were only fined the toll by the court.

CiaranC

Our man in Havana wrote: »

More freeman bull crap. Follow at your own risk of imprisonment.

Has anyone been put in jail for failing to pay a toll here?

Sizzler

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I've seen about four now in the papers. It was for people who had about 4-5k in tolls alone ignoring the fines. I believe in pretty much all the cases, they were only fined the toll by the court.

Crikey! :eek: Interesting precident though, judges not enforcing the penalty aspect...

CiaranC wrote: »

Has anyone been put in jail for failing to pay a toll here?

If they have they wont be online Seriously though...I doubt it!

Our man in Havana

The risk of prison is not from the fines but for contempt of court. Judges have little tolerance for this rubbish.

Cuddlesworth

Would appear I was wrong to a extent about the fines. Although I believe in this case she really had a bad case. She was "attempting" to pay off the fines but also continuing to rack up more tolls in the midst of it.

http://www.herald.ie/news/i-received-a-bill-for-17000-just-for-using-the-m50-2371078.html

Either way, the above is mostly Free-Man bull****. There might be a legal loophole there, but saying you have no contract while openly admitting your were aware of the charge and chose to continue using the bridge regardless won't go down well with a judge. I wouldn't want it to be my money trying to fight the case.

Cuddlesworth

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L1011

Judges are now generally imprisoning anyone who tries freeman crap for contempt, grab any of the regional papers to see the latest muppet who suddenly recognises the law of the land after a night, or even a few hours, behind bars.

From that article

"I think it's a joke, and there's some very wealthy tycoon sitting in the Bahamas or somewhere, sipping cocktails, laughing at us mugs."

The toll revenue goes to the state, I somehow doubt the entire NRA has moved from Waterloo Road to the Bahamas...

Cuddlesworth

MYOB wrote: »

The toll revenue goes to the state, I somehow doubt the entire NRA has moved from Waterloo Road to the Bahamas...

There has been some serious questions raised about our toll contracts in the last twenty years and their complete lack of any risk coupled with huge revenues.

But that's for another thread.

Voodoomelon

Why didn't eFlow just send him a "bill" with a picture of his registration on it?

CiaranC

Never mind the freeman crap, but surely a sign at the side of the road does not equate to an enforceable contract under Irish law. And if it does, what statute gives eflow the power to increase your charge tenfold if you dont pay within some timeframe they just plucked out of thin air? Seems like a load of makey-up bolloxology to me, hence the fact that they dont actually successfully take anyone to court to pay these huge amounts.

galwayjohn89

They're some twats

dceire

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Either way, the above is mostly Free-Man bull****. There might be a legal loophole there, but saying you have no contract while openly admitting your were aware of the charge and chose to continue using the bridge regardless won't go down well with a judge. I wouldn't want it to be my money trying to fight the case.

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that, in my Uni days, I covered contract law which stated that a contract can be formed/accepted through actions (i.e. Using a toll road). I guess the signs would be your 'invitation to treat'.

eth0

CiaranC wrote: »

Has anyone been put in jail for failing to pay a toll here?

Only got left out of Portlaoise this morning! Told me I'd be in longer but they had to make room for this Quinn fella

monkeypants

dceire wrote: »

a contract can be formed/accepted through actions (i.e. Using a toll road). I guess the signs would be your 'invitation to treat'.

Do you have an option after you see the sign to leave the M50 without charge, ie. 'refuse to treat' or whatever the legal terminology would be.

dceire

monkeypants wrote: »

Do you have an option after you see the sign to leave the M50 without charge, ie. 'refuse to treat' or whatever the legal terminology would be.

They always, as far as I am aware, have signs up leading up to the final exit before a toll and before you enter a toll road. Thus, giving you the option to leave the road before the toll; or not entering the road the first place.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree but this would appear to facilitate contract acceptance through action.

Our man in Havana

The signs before the toll simply say toll. The signs explaining the costs, conditions etc are beyond the point of no return. So if you don't accept the conditions etc you can't reverse back up the motorway can you?

It will take a clued up solicitor to take a case against them to resolve this point.

maidhc

Our man in Havana wrote: »

It will take a clued up solicitor to take a case against them to resolve this point.

Valid point re location of the toll prices. A contract cannot said to be formed until all material issues are resolved. A famous similarish case in the UK would be
http://wikijuris.net/cases/thornton_v_shoe_lane_parking_1971

dceire

Our man in Havana wrote: »

The signs before the toll simply say toll. The signs explaining the costs, conditions etc are beyond the point of no return. So if you don't accept the conditions etc you can't reverse back up the motorway can you?

Very true, the prices aren't displayed until past the point of no return. I think there's a case there alright.

Jimmyc147

Their Solicitors are telling me I owe them €450 for 4 unpaid journeys, any advice on dealing with them.

Cuddlesworth

Jimmyc147 wrote: »

Their Solicitors are telling me I owe them €450 for 4 unpaid journeys, any advice on dealing with them.

Pay them 450 Euros?

Viper_JB

Jimmyc147 wrote: »

Their Solicitors are telling me I owe them €450 for 4 unpaid journeys, any advice on dealing with them.

I'd ring them up and offer to setup a video account with them then offer to pay the original tolls, they're very fast to drop these fines if you make some attempt to pay.

Jimmyc147

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Pay them 450 Euros?

Wow top advise thanks. I'll get on it straight away. Do you take laser ??

Jimmyc147

Viper_JB wrote: »

I'd ring them up and offer to setup a video account with them then offer to pay the original tolls, they're very fast to drop these fines if you make some attempt to pay.

Even if its with the solicitors?

Wexfordian

Jimmyc147 wrote: »

Their Solicitors are telling me I owe them €450 for 4 unpaid journeys, any advice on dealing with them.

Purely as a matter of interest, how much correspondence from them have you ignored up to this point? Or were they sending all the reminders/requests/demands etc to the wrong address or something?

chris85

maidhc wrote: »

Valid point re location of the toll prices. A contract cannot said to be formed until all material issues are resolved. A famous similarish case in the UK would be
http://wikijuris.net/cases/thornton_v_shoe_lane_parking_1971

Ok that might cover the first toll the person ever took over the bridge in theory with a decent solicitor but where is the argument for each subsequent toll paid. He can hardly argue he wasnt aware of the charges as has been through the road previously.

This freeman stuff is just nonsense.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

I wonder.

they could prevent this if they had a toll booth across the whole road with booth and barrier system for each lane, taking the money off cars as they pass through.

maybe something worth investing in.

Pottler

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

I wonder.

they could prevent this if they had a toll booth across the whole road with booth and barrier system for each lane, taking the money off cars as they pass through.

maybe something worth investing in.