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Help Needed to Stop Hook/Slice.

  • 12-01-2012 9:05am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭


    I am looking for a couple of tips for the forthcoming year. I am a leftie. My problem is with the majority of my drives/tee shots or 3-woods off the fairway, which is seldom because I'm normally in the rough my shots start out straight for the first 50/75 yards but take a severe swerve to the left. I have over the years found myself aiming more and more to the right to compensate. I have taken leesons in the past from different pros but like doctors their opinions differ as to what I should do. Practise may be the key but don't have time. Any tips???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭denishurley


    You could do a Lee Trevino and aim more to the right ;) I had problems with a slice too and was told to use a stronger grip, i.e. to make sure I could see two, if not three knuckles on my left hand when at address


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I am looking for a couple of tips for the forthcoming year. I am a leftie. My problem is with the majority of my drives/tee shots or 3-woods off the fairway, which is seldom because I'm normally in the rough my shots start out straight for the first 50/75 yards but take a severe swerve to the left. I have over the years found myself aiming more and more to the right to compensate. I have taken leesons in the past from different pros but like doctors their opinions differ as to what I should do. Practise may be the key but don't have time. Any tips???

    Start aiming down the middle of the fairway (use an alignment aid to confirm you are aiming correctly) and try to hit a slice by swinging out to in.
    Chances are you are swinging in to out and aiming right is just making it worse (you are probably only aiming the lower half of your body right, promoting the hook)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭mikeunt


    GreeBo wrote: »
    you are probably only aiming the lower half of your body right, promoting the hook)


    Eh, he's got a problem with a slice, not a hook


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    mikeunt wrote: »
    Eh, he's got a problem with a slice, not a hook
    Doesnt change my answer.

    He is still probably aiming only half his body right, causing his slice.

    Oh and I phoned "The World" and they are now aware of my "hook" Vs "slice" typo. Thanks. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭Dr.Silly


    First things first,
    I would make sure your grip, your stance, your distance from the ball are all correct. It's amazing how incorrect posture and grip can cause slice or hook without even starting the swing.

    As mentioned above you're probably coming over the top on your downswing.
    Been left handed, at the start of your downswing, try get the feeling that your left hand is tucked into your body and not moving out from you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭mikeunt


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Doesnt change my answer.

    He is still probably aiming only half his body right, causing his slice.

    Oh and I phoned "The World" and they are now aware of my "hook" Vs "slice" typo. Thanks. :rolleyes:

    ok so let me get this right? for a leftie to cure a slice you would encourage him to aim further right?

    bizarre
    glad youre not my coach

    oh yeah:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭DiegoWorst


    I am looking for a couple of tips for the forthcoming year. I am a leftie. My problem is with the majority of my drives/tee shots or 3-woods off the fairway, which is seldom because I'm normally in the rough my shots start out straight for the first 50/75 yards but take a severe swerve to the left. I have over the years found myself aiming more and more to the right to compensate. I have taken leesons in the past from different pros but like doctors their opinions differ as to what I should do. Practise may be the key but don't have time. Any tips???

    Practice won't help you too much with this problem, without guidance from a good teacher. If the ball is starting off towards your target, then your only problem is that the clubface is open at impact. In a lot of cases this is caused by an incorrect grip. Ensure the club is gripped more in the fingers as opposed to gripping in the palms, and check the V's of your hands are pointing towards your left ear.

    I've seen plenty of slicers coming over the top, or pulling with the upper body rather than leading with the hips, such swings produce a kinda pull slice. Getting the ball started on line indicates that your swing plane is fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭k.p.h


    DiegoWorst wrote: »
    Getting the ball started on line indicates that your swing plane is fine.

    That's not actually true (anymore). What you are referencing would be described as the old ball flight laws. Relatively recent study with modern technology has shown that nearly the exact opposite is true. It's called the D plane, basically what it means (simplistically) is the club face influences starting path and and swing path influences the spin.

    The PGA are currently reviewing this info and adopting it. The info has been around for a while but they have been slow to adopt it for some reason. Well worth giving it a google because it would help any golfer understand whats going on as the ball curves off line.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,677 ✭✭✭staker


    OP I too have the same problem off the box.
    Generally the problem starts through my longer irtons where my shot shape would begin to fade slightly and gradually into a slice. Eventually even my short irons would go the same way.
    Got a lesson off a pro where he said I was standing too close to the ball and couldn't finish my swing as I was in my own way,if that makes any sense.
    I had also been aligning up way left off my target line,which I'm sorting out using parallel tracks in my mind's eye at address. I was stunned how far off target I was aiming until it had been pointed out to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    mikeunt wrote: »
    ok so let me get this right? for a leftie to cure a slice you would encourage him to aim further right?

    bizarre
    glad youre not my coach

    oh yeah:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Where exactly do I tell him to aim anywhere other than straight down the middle?
    You cant cure ball flight with aim, you need to change the swing path.

    Glad you are not my pupil.
    GreeBo wrote:
    Start aiming down the middle of the fairway (use an alignment aid to confirm you are aiming correctly) and try to hit a slice by swinging out to in.
    Chances are you are swinging in to out and aiming right is just making it worse (you are probably only aiming the lower half of your body right, promoting the hook)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Redzah


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Doesnt change my answer.

    He is still probably aiming only half his body right, causing his slice.

    Oh and I phoned "The World" and they are now aware of my "hook" Vs "slice" typo. Thanks. :rolleyes:


    I think it changes your answer a bit GreeBo as that swing should now be in to out ;), otherwise you could not give him worse advice.

    It's ok though we all make mistakes just some of use are more accepting of it and don't reply with bold red and underlined writing when it happens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Redzah wrote: »
    I think it changes your answer a bit GreeBo as that swing should now be in to out ;), otherwise you could not give him worse advice.

    It's ok though we all make mistakes just some of use are more accepting of it and don't reply with bold red and underlined writing when it happens

    It doesnt change my answer because the cause of the problem is an incorrect swing path, likely exacerbated by only aiming half of the body also along the correct path.
    Your body line controls where the ball starts (assuming a square clubface)
    Having your body open/closed to the club face is going to cause an in-to-out or an out-to-in swing and thus sidespin on the ball.


    Its pretty standard to try to correct a slice by trying to hit a hook, and vice-versa.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Redzah


    GreeBo wrote: »
    It doesnt change my answer because the cause of the problem is an incorrect swing path, likely exacerbated by only aiming half of the body also along the correct path.
    Your body line controls where the ball starts (assuming a square clubface)
    Having your body open/closed to the club face is going to cause an in-to-out or an out-to-in swing and thus sidespin on the ball.


    Its pretty standard to try to correct a slice by trying to hit a hook, and vice-versa.

    Yes the vice-versa part is the problem, you have corrected the hook to slice part (in bold red underlined writing as discussed) however you have not corrected the point you have alluded to i.e the swingpath.

    The swingpath you have given the OP will result in a bigger slice so i was therefore correcting it for his purposes as you were too proud to yourself. In to out would be the correct swingpath for this user to attempt to cure his slice not what you have discussed.

    Next time you should grab a club and use a mirror before you post and its amazing how everything is suddenly left handed ;)

    To be honest while swing path could be one cause of the problem, it is very often weight transfer for many golfers. Too often golfers will reverse pivot causing them to sit back on their follow through which will result in a slice, an exaggerated sway going back and movement forward on the follow through may be something to try on the range, you should find plenty of tips online for curing the reverse pivot. If you feel that you are sitting back on the follow through instead of powering through the shot then this could be the cause.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Redzah wrote: »
    Yes the vice-versa part is the problem, you have corrected the hook to slice part (in bold red underlined writing as discussed) however you have not corrected the point you have alluded to i.e the swingpath.

    The swingpath you have given the OP will result in a bigger slice so i was therefore correcting it for his purposes as you were too proud to yourself. In to out would be the correct swingpath for this user to attempt to cure his slice not what you have discussed.

    Clearly the swing path I gave was to correct the hook I was talking about (the Thread is titled "hook/slice" and I missed the part about a leftie)
    unless you think I was trying to solve a slice by saying "try to hit a slice"?
    Perhaps urging the OP to go for the full 360 degree slice...

    I had assumed you would be able to figure out that for switching from a hook to a slice, everything is reversed. Shame on me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Redzah wrote: »
    To be honest while swing path could be one cause of the problem, it is very often weight transfer for many golfers. Too often golfers will reverse pivot causing them to sit back on their follow through which will result in a slice, an exaggerated sway going back and movement forward on the follow through may be something to try on the range, you should find plenty of tips online for curing the reverse pivot. If you feel that you are sitting back on the follow through instead of powering through the shot then this could be the cause.


    The only thing that causes a golf ball to move in the air is sidespin.
    The only thing that causes sidespin is the swing-path.

    You can jump up and down on a pogo stick and hit a ball and as long as your swing path is correct the ball will not have sidespin.

    A reverse pivoter can slice, but only because they are swinging on the incorrect path.
    You can reverse pivot and still hit the ball straight (not very well) but you cannot swing on the incorrect path and hit it straight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Redzah


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Clearly the swing path I gave was to correct the hook I was talking about (the Thread is titled "hook/slice" and I missed the part about a leftie)
    unless you think I was trying to solve a slice by saying "try to hit a slice"?
    Perhaps urging the OP to go for the full 360 degree slice...

    I had assumed you would be able to figure out that for switching from a hook to a slice, everything is reversed. Shame on me.

    Begin challenging your own assumptions. Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in awhile, or the light won't come in.

    I don't think its fair to assume the OP knew to reverse the swingpath, if he has a decent knowledge of the game then it is more likely he would but if not then who knows. Also by only correcting hook to slice and maintaining you stance didn't change then this is only further complicating the matter, you should have probably corrected the couple of errors in your post yet you still continue to defend it. I agree with the last sentence shame on you ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Redzah


    GreeBo wrote: »
    1.The only thing that causes a golf ball to move in the air is sidespin.
    2. The only thing that causes sidespin is the swing-path.

    3. You can jump up and down on a pogo stick and hit a ball and as long as your swing path is correct the ball will not have sidespin.

    4. A reverse pivoter can slice, but only because they are swinging on the incorrect path.

    5. You can reverse pivot and still hit the ball straight (not very well) but you cannot swing on the incorrect path and hit it straight.

    Correct in some parts and wrong in others;

    1. Correct on a calm day, however you should always bear in mind wind conditions GreeBo;)

    2. Quite often the reverse pivot will determine the swingpath i.e. the reverse pivot is the bigger problem here. If the reverse pivot is corrected this may (not always) in turn correct the swingpath i.e. the swingpath is a subset of the reverse pivot. So u get half a point here.

    3. Completely irrelevant, if only there was a Mod to give an infraction for going off the point :D

    4. Addressed on point 2. Furthermore, what % of reverse pivoters do u think hook the ball?? Remember to look in the mirror and think like a leftie here GreeBo

    5. Correct, but then there is more than one problem with the swing and the body has compensated for the reverse pivot by flipping the hands more at impact as well as other methods. This would be a more difficult problem to fix.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭mikeunt


    GreeBo wrote: »
    I missed the part about a leftie


    No need to get so high and mighty and writing in RED BOLD when you obviously were promoting a bigger slice because you didn't read the original post properly.

    Is there a humble pie in the oven?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    I think the TONE has gone a bit crazy again here. It does not help the forum.

    I'm like one of the dumb apes in that movie Rise of The Planet of The Apes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Redzah


    I think the TONE has gone a bit crazy again here. It does not help the forum.

    I'm like one of the dumb apes in that movie Rise of The Planet of The Apes.

    :D And would i be right in saying that individual charged with monitoring the tone of the thread is also the one writing in bold red underlined writing??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭mikeunt


    Like the lunatics in charge of the asylum............of sorts















    Disclaimer:
    this post was not aimed at anyone in particular


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Come on lads, I'm no angel on here.

    But we are like a pack of Bold Boys. Grebbo did a great job to put us back on track a few weeks ago. It seems great at the time to wind people up , but it ****s up the threads.

    Anyway hoo ohoo hooo hoo hooo ohho ohhho ooooh hho hooo hooo hoooooo hoo aaaah aaa awh .. . My best try at a monkey sound.

    Anyway respect and love

    "Imagine all the people, living********"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Redzah


    Come on lads, I'm no angel on here.

    But we are like a pack of Bold Boys. Grebbo did a great job to put us back on track a few weeks ago. It seems great at the time to wind people up , but it ****s up the threads.

    Anyway hoo ohoo hooo hoo hooo ohho ohhho ooooh hho hooo hooo hoooooo hoo aaaah aaa awh .. . My best try at a monkey sound.

    Anyway respect and love

    "Imagine all the people, living********"

    At 11:23 i posted a comment keeping in line with the thread and trying to help the OP sort out his slice (remember the mirror trick). I believe that these comments may be beneficial and believe the whole wrong swing plane and try swinging in to out fix to be too generalistic and possibly not the root of the problem.

    My only other post since then was to point out that red bold and underlined writing sets a certain tone and to me implys aggressive behaviour, certainly not a tone that a moderator of this thread/forum should be adopting.

    However, I do concede that GreeBo is doing a bang up job and rightly kept me in line when things went a bit crazy recently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭L.O.F.T


    Redzah wrote: »
    However, I do concede that GreeBo is doing a bang up job and rightly kept me in line when things went a bit crazy recently.

    Here is a novel idea, how about keeping yourself in line instead of relying an a forum moderator to do so when things get '' a little crazy''.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Redzah


    L.O.F.T wrote: »
    Here is a novel idea, how about keeping yourself in line instead of relying an a forum moderator to do so when things get '' a little crazy''.

    When I was threatened by another (who was susequently banned) I came back with insulting comments which i received an infraction for (and correctly so). Based on the level of threats i justified this at the time as would many but realise that i deserved an infraction for this. My point was that the moderator may have set an agressive tone by using red bold writing and this does not set a good example for the others in the thread.

    Do you understand this now Mr. L.O.F.T.?

    I hope that you do and hopefully you can add something meaningful to this thread seeing you have not appeared to comment on the relevant topic yet!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    mikeunt and Redzah infracted for back seat modding.
    Please read the charter before posting on this forum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Redzah wrote: »
    When I was threatened by another (who was susequently banned) I came back with insulting comments which i received an infraction for (and correctly so). Based on the level of threats i justified this at the time as would many but realise that i deserved an infraction for this. My point was that the moderator may have set an agressive tone by using red bold writing and this does not set a good example for the others in the thread.

    Do you understand this now Mr. L.O.F.T.?

    I hope that you do and hopefully you can add something meaningful to this thread seeing you have not appeared to comment on the relevant topic yet!

    No matter how right or wrong you are,

    A rule is you don't question a moderator.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 golfnetbook


    just keep the head down player........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Redzah


    No matter how right or wrong you are,

    A rule is you don't question a moderator.

    Ya i didn't realise that to be honest but sure u live and learn i guess. Anyways, I am now stating that GreeBo in a non moderator i.e. registered user capacity did set an agressive tone for this thread.

    L.O.F.T. do u have any points to add that are related to the topic of this thread or was your previous and only (off topic) post your contribution?

    Does the OP think that any of the ideas given above seem relevant?

    i.e.
    Weight transfer and potential reverse pivot?
    GreeBo's swing plane suggestion?

    There are numerous reasons why you may slice the ball, could you try give us a bit more information on what u believe u think the problem is and whether u think any of the suggestions has relevence?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    No matter how right or wrong you are,

    A rule is you don't question a moderator.

    On thread.
    If you have a problem with a moderator, or a moderators decision you bring it to PM, failing a resolution there you use the DRP.

    But I'm sure you all know this as you have all read and agreed to the sticky at the top of this forum...right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,512 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    I had this problem and switched to an "Offset" driver. Basically stopped me from slicing it and now I get a nice draw. Go to a range and try one yourself. It's well worth a go.


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