Springer Pup!

Shoot2kill

I have a 6 month old springer bitch, smashing pup, she's coming along extremely well. everything is coming to her naturally.

Here's the thing, she's extremely hard hunting, absolutely busts through cover when I bring her out. But I'm afraid she'll get 'burnt' as she's still a bit soft at just shy of six months...

In yer opinion do ye think I should hold her back from cover for another few months or let her have at it. This bitch has already retrieved snipe for me and I'm mad to bring her out for a cock before the season closes.

But what do ye think?!

snipe02

if you rush things now you could end up skipping past the basics and it could come back to bite you in the ass if she is busting cover now then you obviously have a good one so why would you want to fuk her up just because of your lack of patience you need to realise what you have here you have a great oppertunity you know she has drive you know she will hunt so you can relax i would say keep her out of the field concentrate on all other aspects of training eg sit ,stay ,retrieves seen and blind hand signals quartering dropping to shot if thats your thing when you have all this sown in to her then slowly introduce her to game and cover you will end up with a well mannered well trained hard hunting dog why risk it many a good dog was rushed and ruined thats just how i feel about it really wish you all the best with her please keep posting her progress would love to here it

Shoot2kill

snipe02 wrote: »

if you rush things now you could end up skipping past the basics and it could come back to bite you in the ass if she is busting cover now then you obviously have a good one so why would you want to fuk her up just because of your lack of patience you need to realise what you have here you have a great oppertunity you know she has drive you know she will hunt so you can relax i would say keep her out of the field concentrate on all other aspects of training eg sit ,stay ,retrieves seen and blind hand signals quartering dropping to shot if thats your thing when you have all this sown in to her then slowly introduce her to game and cover you will end up with a well mannered well trained hard hunting dog why risk it many a good dog was rushed and ruined thats just how i feel about it really wish you all the best with her please keep posting her progress would love to here it

Thought as much!:rolleyes: Just needed to hear it from someone else I think!

She's already sitting, staying and retrieving both land and water. I can stop her with a raise of the hand and she is probably the most alert pup I've ever had, as in she will hunt like fcuk but will constantly watch to see where I am.

I never train any of my dogs to drop to the shot, I just personally don't see the point of it, I can stop them on the whistle if needs be.

Just need to work on the blind retrieves...

I'll try post a video....

patdahat

sounds like a right 1 there s2k, like a oul shooting man once told me dont try and make a child do a mans job it wont happen so dont try make a pup do what an experianced dog can do, come november he be a year and a bit still plenty time to be fine tuning him. well all the best and i hope he/she works out for you.

yessam

that sounds like the kind of pup i have been looking for. do you know if there is more of that breeding around

Shoot2kill

yessam wrote: »

that sounds like the kind of pup i have been looking for. do you know if there is more of that breeding around

Yup! There's another bitch there from the litter. I'll enquire and pm you later.

ferrete

i have a pup the same as that around 6-7 months shooting woodcok phesant over her and shes flying

Shoot2kill

ferrete wrote: »

i have a pup the same as that around 6-7 months shooting woodcok phesant over her and shes flying

So are you just letting her hunt away mad?

Is she hard in cover?

PippaSpaniel

Can u put up a picture of your springer bitch?? I would like to see what she looks like!!

Shoot2kill

PippaSpaniel wrote: »

Can u put up a picture of your springer bitch?? I would like to see what she looks like!!

That's Penny there on the front, she's just 6 months now! She had just retrieved that snipe in that pic! I was trying to get the camera on my phone working to video it as she ran out to where the bird had dropped but couldn't get it on fast enough. Had to settle for a pic. I had a smile from ear to ear that morning

Lucy is behind her, she's 2 and a half....

Shoot2kill

I'll post pics of the other 2 tomorrow...

Ronnie Beck

Shoot2kill wrote: »

I have a 6 month old springer bitch, smashing pup, she's coming along extremely well. everything is coming to her naturally.

Here's the thing, she's extremely hard hunting, absolutely busts through cover when I bring her out. But I'm afraid she'll get 'burnt' as she's still a bit soft at just shy of six months...

In yer opinion do ye think I should hold her back from cover for another few months or let her have at it. This bitch has already retrieved snipe for me and I'm mad to bring her out for a cock before the season closes.

But what do ye think?!

Sounds like a savage pup. 'Burnt' ... not sure what you mean but as a guide I limit my pup to 10 mins of exercise per month old so 6 months is 60 minutes. You can risk a leg injury pushing them too hard.

Shoot2kill

Ronnie Beck wrote: »

Sounds like a savage pup. 'Burnt' ... not sure what you mean but as a guide I limit my pup to 10 mins of exercise per month old so 6 months is 60 minutes. You can risk a leg injury pushing them too hard.

What I mean by burnt is just pushing her too hard before she's ready for it, and I've seen it happen that when they go too hard too young that they can suffer an injury or something happens that frightens them away from cover & makes them nervous i.e Belt of electric fence, cut from thorns or barbed wire etc

The reason I put the question out there is that it's not me that's pushing her at all, if she's out in the field and we get within 50 or 60yards of a cover......boom! Off she goes and goes through it like a train, so what do I do? Walk her in the middle of a big open field or keep her on the lead in by cover, could that end up turning her off cover altogether or because she naturally has it will the drive for cover remain in her for another few months until she's that bit tougher. :rolleyes:

I think ill just play it week by week...

Here's my other pup! She'a a half sister to this one, same sire..

Sorry the picture quality isn't great, need a new phone!!

nowwerehurlin

Shoot2kill wrote: »

What I mean by burnt is just pushing her too hard before she's ready for it, and I've seen it happen that when they go too hard too young that they can suffer an injury or something happens that frightens them away from cover & makes them nervous i.e Belt of electric fence, cut from thorns or barbed wire etc

The reason I put the question out there is that it's not me that's pushing her at all, if she's out in the field and we get within 50 or 60yards of a cover......boom! Off she goes and goes through it like a train, so what do I do? Walk her in the middle of a big open field or keep her on the lead in by cover, could that end up turning her off cover altogether or because she naturally has it will the drive for cover remain in her for another few months until she's that bit tougher. :rolleyes:

I think ill just play it week by week...

Here's my other pup! She'a a half sister to this one, same sire..

Sorry the picture quality isn't great, need a new phone!!

thats pup has lovely markings there shoot2kill!! what breeding are they ? are they your own or are they trialling lines etc ? would love to know bit abbout them !

TriggerPL

snipe02 wrote: »

if you rush things now you could end up skipping past the basics and it could come back to bite you in the ass if she is busting cover now then you obviously have a good one so why would you want to fuk her up just because of your lack of patience you need to realise what you have here you have a great oppertunity you know she has drive you know she will hunt so you can relax i would say keep her out of the field concentrate on all other aspects of training eg sit ,stay ,retrieves seen and blind hand signals quartering dropping to shot if thats your thing when you have all this sown in to her then slowly introduce her to game and cover you will end up with a well mannered well trained hard hunting dog why risk it many a good dog was rushed and ruined thats just how i feel about it really wish you all the best with her please keep posting her progress would love to here it

now snipe02 is a wise man !! my hat to you sir!

if the hunt is in your pup then relax get the basic right it takes time but is well worth is . as for training to drop to shot or wistle it gud to know that your dog is as they call it polished off . drop to shot ensures that your dog is where he ment to be and not gone after a missed bird .

if you spend ur time training the dog to sit stay return and blinds left and rights etc than dropping to shot shouldnt be that hard to enforce there for worth doing .

it takes the same time to do it wrong as do it right and you will feel happier in your self and the dog .

i also would like to see the back round hard hitting bitches are few and far between and ive been serching for a bitch for a while now.

TriggerPL

snipe02 wrote: »

if you rush things now you could end up skipping past the basics and it could come back to bite you in the ass if she is busting cover now then you obviously have a good one so why would you want to fuk her up just because of your lack of patience you need to realise what you have here you have a great oppertunity you know she has drive you know she will hunt so you can relax i would say keep her out of the field concentrate on all other aspects of training eg sit ,stay ,retrieves seen and blind hand signals quartering dropping to shot if thats your thing when you have all this sown in to her then slowly introduce her to game and cover you will end up with a well mannered well trained hard hunting dog why risk it many a good dog was rushed and ruined thats just how i feel about it really wish you all the best with her please keep posting her progress would love to here it

now snipe02 is a wise man !! my hat to you sir!

if the hunt is in your pup then relax get the basic right it takes time but is well worth is . as for training to drop to shot or wistle it gud to know that your dog is as they call it polished off . drop to shot ensures that your dog is where he ment to be and not gone after a missed bird .

if you spend ur time training the dog to sit stay return and blinds left and rights etc than dropping to shot should be that hard to enforce there for worth doing .

it takes the same time to do it wrong as do it right and you will feel happier in your self and the dog .

i also would like to see the back round hard hitting bitches are few and far between and ive been serching for a bitch for a while now.

Shoot2kill

As I said earlier both pups came from the one sire, different bitches!

They came from a friend of mine, the parents of both pups are unregistered. The sire came from a very long line of breeding that few local lads have between them which goes back around 18-20yrs. He's a real big strong springer and the second pic I posted, that bitch is the absolute bulb off him.

He was a very late bloomer and didn't really get going til he was 18months. He's nearly 10 now & even had a collision with a car:rolleyes: his hearing was never the same after it but by fcuk will he hunt.

One of the bitches then, came from Monaghan as a pup, she has the real old style big springer head on her (I'll post pics later) That's where that pup penny gets the big square head. That bitch is 6yr old and is just unreal in cover. She will not hunt the same without the sire of the pups with her nor will he without her. They have produced some cracking pups but we haven't seen a pup to be as hard hitting at such a young in awhile.

The other bitch (mother of the 2nd pup, with the whiter head) is 9yr old and didn't hunt at all this year, she's having joint problems, this is only her 2nd litter, they wanted to keep her breeding so they tried, successfully, to get her in pup. I was fortunate enough to get a bitch then off each litter.

I'll post pics of the parents later on!