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My top 5 *genres I wouldnt pick up on a whim*
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11-01-2012 8:11pm#1Random top 5 that I suddenly felt like writing:
Picking up games in a gameshop or on steam/xbox live it has over many years become a lot easier to tell by simply reading the sales blurb how much the developer/publisher is bull****ting you and how much is genuine innovation. RTS, FPS, puzzle, beat em up, platformer etc. I can look at the box for about a half a minute and i'll know enough to warrant an impulse buy or not.
But there are certain genres that when I look at their steam page or pick up the box I cannot no matter how much glitter they put into selling it bring myself to buy a copy.
These are my top 5 genres that I wouldnt pick up on a whim.
*note* sports games are not included due to me not buying a sports game since winter olympics on the atari 2600 (the first of three times in my life my mother has beaten me in video games.)
NUMBER 5
PC games
And we start with a cheat.
Perhaps its years of being behind the curve on upgrading but there have been far too many times where I just skimmed by the minimal requirements that to buy a pc game without having my pc specs written on a notebook (before the time of smartphones) when in electronic boutique (this is looooong ago) would be playing with fire.
It's only at five because I am finally ahead of the curve and steam makes it a lot easier to check. But even then I still do a quick google for OS issues, 64-bit issues or graphic card issues and also because Visits to HMV or GAME today usually involve me slipping outside to exploit my iphone before coming back in for a purchase or not rather then needing me to go read/watch a review or trawl forums for player feedback.
Number 4
ADVENTURE GAMES
I will always need to see a review or a friend's recommendation before picking up an adventure game, from phoenix wright to day of the tentacle, I have always checked for some confirmation of the game's quality.
This is down to two important aspects of adventure games. The quality of the storytelling and the difficulty/absurdity of the puzzles. Neither of these can be sold via a blurb on a box and the complete and utter humilation one feels when they are completely dumbfounded by a puzzle and is forced to gamefaqs means I need someone to assure me that a BA in 20th century european history and politics will be enough for me to work out what I am doing when I boot up The Dig. (answer: it's not)
NUMBER 3
simulators
Originally I could have done a top 10 and 8-3 would have all been different simulators, racing, flying, submarine, trains etc etc. Any game that claims authenticity to some sort of vehicle will always require an overnight thought process before a purchase.
This is down to three points you really need to make sure you know you are prepared for what you are about to get yourself into.
1. Simulators tend to have bug/control issues. From flight simulators that expected me to have turned my bedroom into a boeing 747 replica to Silent hunter 5 (DOES NOT WORK!)
2. What it is simulating and how they are doing it. Oh the embarrasment of purchasing 688 sub attack for the sega mega drive. COOL DRIVE A SUBMARINE and blow **** up...(this almost game belongs in the adventure catagory too...ARGHHH WTF AM I DOING?)
3. You will actually enjoy what is being simulated. Gran turismo may be about real driving...But I really need to check if I will actually want to be acquiring all those licences or would my money be better spent being put in a joint fund to buy one of those 6 player daytona usa cabinets. For dinner parties of course
NUMBER 2:
MMO
Probably the only one on this list that is not personal preference but actual common sense.
Is this MMO still going (a question I asked myself 5 years ago when holding a boxed copy of Earth & Beyond by westwood studiosno
Has it gone free2play?
How much am I paying monthly?
Will I end up having to download the whole thing anyway cause the installer on this cd is so out of date that it would have been cheaper and easier to just go to the game's website (in the case of E.V.E yes. yes it bloody was.)
And then the obvious one.
How does it actually play and not what it pretends to be?
You need to check these things people.
Its...NUMBER 1!
Role Playing Games
but really its JRPGS. western ones get less scrutiny because...
.....FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFU!
Ok this is completely a personal hang up buuuut its a big personal hang up.
I am incapable of buying a JRPG on a whim regardless of what they say on the box.
I loved the panzer dragoon series and I opted out of buying panzer dragoon saga on release because I wanted to go home and check some key points before purchasing. Next time I saw a physical copy of the game the asking price was over £100...
I am a sonic nut and I still had to go home and check up on a BIOWARE MADE sonic rpg before I'd consider buying it.
While I could argue its the box art that tells you nothing in almost all JRPG's to the completely content less blurbs that tend to be on their backs and the irrelevant screen shots (almost always from a cut scene) I'd by lying as these are minor issues that would have them running along side adventure games at number 4.
It is really just that part of me that likes JRPG games is also that part of me that really likes my JRPG for specific reasons and those reasons seem to be completely optional and tend to be missing from about 60% of all JRPG games in the world.
Likeable characters (f*ck you FF8!) I couldnt give a rats ass how batsh*t insane the story is but if I like the characters I'll stick with it. Sadly the average JRPG character tends to be an ass of some sort.
combat system that I can understand from one read of the instructions. This is a genuine issue I check on forums and video clips of the game. I need to know that I know wtf I am doing and that I'm somewhat doing it right. Simulators you know when you are doing it wrong cause the plane, ship, car tends to crash. You can (and I have...again f*ck you FF8) gone hours into a jrpg game and not know wtf you were doing wrong in most fights and have paid in hours of grinding/GF summoning to get that far.
Grinding....I dont think I need to say much more then that. (once more...f*ck you FF8)
and finally the number one thing I google about all JRPG's before even considering a purchase:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Does+this+game+have+random+battles%3F
I hate hate hate hate them so much that a rpg really needs to be pure f*cking gold in every other area to warrant me suffering that bullsh*t. (so far skies of arcadia and final fantasy 6 are the only ones worth it).
And that was a random top 5.5
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Think you guys are just playing the wrong JRPG's. FF8 is an absolute mess of a game, battle system is way too complicated and the story is absolutely dire. I still think it's great once you understand the battle system. However that took until my second playthrough. Lost Odyssey is another mess of an RPG. Not a great battle system exasperated by how bloody long it takes for a battle to play out. The only thing that made it worth playing was the excellent stories, and not the main story which was a bit ****, but the memories stories that were great. I'd rather read them outside the game though. Also random battles aren't bad. Random battles paired with battle systems that drag on and awful load times (basically PS1 era RPGs) are a ****ing nightmare.
Now Persona 3 and 4, only gingers hate them because if you do hate them you have no soul.
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ShadowHearth wrote: »Sorry m8, but really really tl;dr...
It's like a wall of walls of text from boards.ie
Can I get a shirt version? Is this just about 5 genres that you dislike etc?
You need to read more! :pac:
Wasn't long at all.
As mentioned here I loathe sandbox-type games. It's probably the main reason I won't pick up (or just cannot get in to) Oblivion\Skyrim\Just Cause. I dislike having too much freedom in a game. I like the safety of waypoints and going from person to person getting "jobs" (currently playing Rage so that's my train of thought).
Also agree on the sports titles. Last I played was Fifa 96 (?) on the Gamegear which had the "trick" to shoot just outside the box and score. Every. Time. You got quite bored when matches were ending in 26 - 0. I also dislike soccer so why would I want to play a video game of it? I did try Pro Evo on the psp, once.
Racing games. I just scan over them when in a shop\buying online. I think the most enjoyment I got from a racing game (except for the obvious one: Mario Kart [snes]) was F1 Race on the GameBoy. Can still hear the "boost" noise now. Wheeeeeeeeeee.
If there was a series that left me by the wayside it would be Grand Theft Auto. I like the top-down view ones. But once it became third person drive'n'shoot'm'up I left the party.
As far as RPG's go, I haven't played enough. But I agree with your opinion on FF8. Nine was almost like an apology. (Which is again where I left the series as ten and on didn't appeal to me at all!).0 -
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The hell does this mean?
It means that Asian gamers will Ussually be way better then you ever be. There are so many hardcore games with extreme challenge and skill cap they enjoy and have no problem playing. Alot of those games are not even ported to eu or us.
In short: Asian gamers are better at games then non Asians.
It's a stereotype, but I really don't think they angry about it. It's like black people having biggest gentleman sausages
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I still trying to figure out here: is that a games megabitch thread or just a genre of games, which you would not pick up when you shoping online or in shops, because you dont know more info about it.
I'll try bouth:
Sports games - I just have general dislike to all those FIFA, basketball games etc. I still can't understand how people play them. For me it looks really really boring and repetitive.
I am not fan of sports at all, so I guess I am being extra harsh on this, but If people like them, then I am happy for them.
The rest of the stuff is grand, I love a huge variety of games, so I newer dismiss any games just on the type. I love racing sims, but I love futuristic and arcadish racers. I love realistic shooters and I love bonker idiotic ones too, etc.
As for random impulse buy in shops:
For the last 7 years I will come in to shop and will already know when is something new coming out or what games are out already. It was really really awile since I picked up box On the shelf and I would not knew what games it is or what it is about. For me browsing games is more about prices and deals. I will look at prices of titles on display and decide if I want them or not, then decide is that a good deal or I can get it cheaper.
I love to jump in to local GameStop and check of any pc titles are on sales. I newer found some title I newer knew about, but now and then I get some nice deals. For example I piled up rage for 17eu before Xmas. Was happy enough for brick and mortar shop!0 -
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ShadowHearth wrote: »It means that Asian gamers will Ussually be way better then you ever be. There are so many hardcore games with extreme challenge and skill cap they enjoy and have no problem playing. Alot of those games are not even ported to eu or us.
In short: Asian gamers are better at games then non Asians.
It's a steriotipe, but I really don't think they angry about it. It's like black people having biggest gentleman sausages.
It's not a stereotype, it's bull****. Asian gamers aren't any better than a westerner. Just because Starcraft really took off in Korea doesn't mean Koreans are naturally better than everyone else, it's because Korea has the best online infrastructure of any country and could support online gaming. Also Asian gamers being better at bullet hell and fighters has nothing to do with natural ability, it's because there's still a vibrant arcade scene over there that allows for a lot of competitive competition.
Why aren't asians tearing it up in the FPS scene? Because they don't usually play them, not because westerners are naturally better.
If more people had the good sense to watch the excellent Game Centre CX (subbed episodes on youtube) they'll see that japans biggest gaming celebrity is a normal person who is equally as crap at games as the rest of us.
I'd like to add that the difficulty of Dark Souls is blown way out of proportion by some people and particulatly the press. There's a bit of skill involved but most of all it takes patience.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »It's not a stereotype, it's bull****. Asian gamers aren't any better than a westerner. Just because Starcraft really took off in Korea doesn't mean Koreans are naturally better than everyone else, it's because Korea has the best online infrastructure of any country and could support online gaming. Also Asian gamers being better at bullet hell and fighters has nothing to do with natural ability, it's because there's still a vibrant arcade scene over there that allows for a lot of competitive competition.
Why aren't asians tearing it up in the FPS scene? Because they don't usually play them, not because westerners are naturally better.
If more people had the good sense to watch the excellent Game Centre CX (subbed episodes on youtube) they'll see that japans biggest gaming celebrity is a normal person who is equally as crap at games as the rest of us.
I'd like to add that the difficulty of Dark Souls is blown way out of proportion by some people and particulatly the press. There's a bit of skill involved but most of all it takes patience.
emmmm stereotype = bull****. thats what it is lol. Same as irish = drunk.
most of the time when that sort of stuff used: "but if it demands near-Japanese skills to play", gamers will know its more piss taking or just saying its HARD, in cheeky funny way. If someone will take it as racist or insulting then i will lose all faith in human kind...
i see someone got out of bed on wrong foot or did not got morning gigidi!
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I think a lot of people when theytalk about JRPGs only consider Square Enix and a lot of the criticisms of JRPGs only really hold true for the latest Square Enix games. Their games are very linear to the point of stupidity and the outlandish designs are made to appeal to the Shibuya teen style that is popular in japan. however outside of square enix it's very different. The themes and locations are usually alot more grounded although stray away from the fantasy and sci-fi tropes that western RPGs fall into. Mostly the story is linear but I find themfar more satisfying than most western RPGs. Also stuff like the Shin Megami Tensei and Persona game do give the player some narrative freedom, more so in SMT. I think Todd Howards only experience with JRPGs is Final Fantasy.
The boring star wars/tolkien setting of nearly all WRPGs was what put me off them for a long while. I couldn't stand them and Oblivion really drove me away with how boring it was. WRPGs were a genre I'd actively avoid but I've since come around to them. However the ones I'm really interested in are the ones that don't have the usually RPG trope settings such as Fallout, System Shock, Deus Ex and Planescape Torment.
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As for my own genres I'd avoid:
Sports games:
Just don't see the point in them. They feel really random and clunky and tbh I'd rather be outside playing the game than playing a videogame. There is an excpetion though and it's over the top sports games. I love stuff like Speedball or NBA Jam because they don't try to emulate the sport and fail miserably. Instead they take the rules of a sport and bend them so the end product is a good videogame and not a poor facsimile of the real thing.
Racing games:
Just like K.O. Kiki I can't stand the Gran Turismo 'Pokemon with cars' formula of 'realistic' racing games. Why would I want to pretend drive a car with realistic physics when I have a Clio outside my house. Even the supercars are boring. I much prefer the arcade racers with silly physics. I'd much rather be doing 1000+ kph in a floating vehicle in F-zero or taking a corner totally sideways in Ridge Racer than trying to hold a racing line while piddling around the track in a car I couldactually afford to buy.
Military simulation games:
Just don't get hardcore military sims. I can see the appeal but they aren't for me. It's basically taking a course in how to fly a piece of complicated military technology, too much work for me.
Games that don't end:
Stiff like Civilisation and the old version of Minecraft. It's not because I don't like them but I've too many games to play so when I play something I like to know that whenI beat it I can put it away forever and move on. Probably whyI don't like multiplayer either.
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