Appealing for cards

Liam O

Really don't see the problem. I've said it before on here but I find it no different than appealing for a free kick which happens every 2 minutes in a game. Is that unsporting? I really don't understand where the disdain for players asking for justice after bad tackles and even if it is in bad taste/unwarranted the player will look like an idiot for doing it which is punishment enough.

Bodhisopha

Agreed. Doesn't bother me at all. If they're not waving imaginary cards they're in the ref's ear anyways. It's all the same to me.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Screams of petulance, imo, highly unsporting too. Doesn't piss me off as much as players crowding around the ref, though.

Rugby-style refereeing needs to be brought in.

smokedeels

I guess it's essentially appealing to the ref to follow the rules of the game.

Samich

baz2009 wrote: »

Screams of petulance, imo, highly unsporting too. Doesn't piss me off as much as players crowding around the ref, though.

Rugby-style refereeing needs to be brought in.

Can't happen. Soccer is a much harder game to make ground.

So if 10 yards is given away in rugby then that's massive. A goal can be scored in seconds.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Samich wrote: »

Can't happen. Soccer is a much harder game to make ground.

So if 10 yards is given away in rugby then that's massive. A goal can be scored in seconds.

I meant as in only the captain and maybe the players involved can speak to the referee and any dissent is a yellow straight away.

Liam O

baz2009 wrote: »

Screams of petulance, imo, highly unsporting too. Doesn't piss me off as much as players crowding around the ref, though.

Rugby-style refereeing needs to be brought in.

petulance is something that gets brought up a lot too, not something I really buy tbh. When Ronaldo was at United he was on the end of some absolutely shocking tackles that weren't punished accordingly and if he appeals for justice he's petulant?

I would be in favour of Rugby refereeing but then again there isn't nearly as many mistakes made in Rugby as football. I think referees being afforded a few seconds to converse with their linesmen rather than making an instantaneous spur of the moment decision would prevent a lot of the problems with major decisions and stop the problem at the root. Stopping the clock is something that is seen as sacrilegious in football but I'd be in favour of giving the referee that opportunity in some situations.

Nailz

Waving imaginary cards I'm not a fan of; that, to me, is the player telling the referee that the opposing player should be carded. Pointing out the wrong-doings of an opposing player to the referee on the other hand is fine, as you are leaving the decision up to the referee whether to take action.

Pro. F

I used to be annoyed by it, but not really now. It's the exact same as the what the players are saying to the ref, the only difference is we can see what they are on about when they use the hand gestures.

The root of the problem is the way that players are allowed to argue with the ref at all. The organisation of this sport continues to be a joke. Like Baz said, we should be emulating the rugby refereeing.

super_furry

It's incredibly bad form to be asking the referee to send another player off and also likely to cause a flash-point. Having someone sent-off in a game is the most extreme and debilitating punishment a referee can invoke and having players encourage him to make the decision is only ever going to lead to confrontation.

I think that it should be an automatic yellow card.

tommyhaas

baz2009 wrote: »

Rugby-style refereeing needs to be brought in.

Are you mad? It might cut down on petulance, but everyone would be getting away with handball

Corholio

Liam O wrote: »

Really don't see the problem. I've said it before on here but I find it no different than appealing for a free kick which happens every 2 minutes in a game. Is that unsporting? I really don't understand where the disdain for players asking for justice after bad tackles and even if it is in bad taste/unwarranted the player will look like an idiot for doing it which is punishment enough.

IMO There's a difference. When you appeal for a free kick, it's because it's been committed on you or one of your team mates. When you appeal for a yellow card your appealing to further influence an already made decision i.e the free kick.

It's crossing the line of unsportsmanship to show that you want a player to be booked or sent off. The reason I wish it was more frowned upon is because the referee cannot be seen to be influenced by anything other than his own mind, he's either the referee, the alone decision maker, or he's not.

killwill

What annoys me is when a group of players gather around a ref waving imaginary cards for the softest of fouls. Barcelona are by far the worst team for it.
If the foul deserved a card it wouldn't annoy me nearly as much.
I am of the opinion that the ref is under enough pressure during a game without this kind of influential pressure added, therefoe, a rule should be brought in that the captains and players involved in the tackle should only be near the ref and no hand gestures should be allowed.
That way noone will really complain as much

Brendan97

baz2009 wrote: »

I meant as in only the captain and maybe the players involved can speak to the referee and any dissent is a yellow straight away.

Maybe not as harsh as rugby for the first season but any abusing, mocking, sarcasm and disrespect in general should be an immediate yellow.
only the 2 captains and the players involved in the incident should be allowed to approach the referee.

I thought the way rooney persuaded the ref was very unsporting, he ran screaming to the ref like nani had been karate kicked in the face. i usually have no qualms with any players who fall over and look to the referee with their hands in the air but this was very unfair. Nani didn't even fall over (fair play to him for not diving and looking for a free but then again rooney did all the work for him). Kompany came in and slid the ball away, i didn't even think it was a free never mind a sending off.

(i'm an arsenal fan and i usually despise clubs like man city, chelsea & real madrid who try to buy trophies, but i really felt kompany was very hard done by)

dsmythy

baz2009 wrote: »

Rugby-style refereeing needs to be brought in.

Referees rugby tackling players won't fix the issue.

Warper

killwill wrote: »

What annoys me is when a group of players gather around a ref waving imaginary cards for the softest of fouls. Barcelona are by far the worst team for it.
If the foul deserved a card it wouldn't annoy me nearly as much.
I am of the opinion that the ref is under enough pressure during a game without this kind of influential pressure added, therefoe, a rule should be brought in that the captains and players involved in the tackle should only be near the ref and no hand gestures should be allowed.
That way noone will really complain as much

Is this coming from a Utd fan? Utd and Fergie have the referees running scared. They can practically bully a referee into submission. Just look today for example, if Rooney hadnt made such a big deal screaming at the ref, Kompany would never have gotten sent off. People say Barca after watching the annual clasico. Didnt see them jumping around in the 2 CL finals v Utd.

greendom

Crowding a ref; pointing out supposed errors - its all a psychological ploy to get at the ref or at least his sub-conscious so that he will even out the decision later in the game.

ImpossibleDuck

baz2009 wrote: »

Screams of petulance, imo, highly unsporting too. Doesn't piss me off as much as players crowding around the ref, though.

Rugby-style refereeing needs to be brought in.

Suarez is really bad for this. You'd be forgiven for thinking someone was cutting his ear off.

Your man card Luis, hand it in.

Pro. F

Warper wrote: »

Is this coming from a Utd fan? Utd and Fergie have the referees running scared. They can practically bully a referee into submission. Just look today for example, if Rooney hadnt made such a big deal screaming at the ref, Kompany would never have gotten sent off. People say Barca after watching the annual clasico. Didnt see them jumping around in the 2 CL finals v Utd.

Yeah it's all a conspiracy. United have the advantage over every team because of their mind controlling powers directed at the ref. It's got nothing to do with having great players and a great manager.

Barca players dive, feign injury, crowd the ref and generally act the bollocks a hell of a lot more than United players. They do it a hell of a lot more than any PL team. Saying otherwise makes you look like a simpleton.

cournioni

Warper wrote: »

Is this coming from a Utd fan? Utd and Fergie have the referees running scared. They can practically bully a referee into submission. Just look today for example, if Rooney hadnt made such a big deal screaming at the ref, Kompany would never have gotten sent off. People say Barca after watching the annual clasico. Didnt see them jumping around in the 2 CL finals v Utd.

Rooney pointed out that it was a two footed tackle, which it was. Anything else is up to the referee to decide. The letter of the law was applied, it was a dangerous tackle and Kompany was rightly sent off.

DoctorGonzo08

baz2009 wrote: »

I meant as in only the captain and maybe the players involved can speak to the referee and any dissent is a yellow straight away.

Agreed completely. It should be brought in sooner rather than later as this rot of surrounding the ref is spreading rapidly. Originally made famous by the Spanish national team, it has several culprits in the premiership, with Chelsea taking the lead. The most sickening display I saw of this though was in the Ireland Estonia game. Irish players surrounding the ref 30 mins in to a game at home to call for the keeper to be sent off. I was never more ashamed to be an Irish fan then at that moment.

I don't think the gesturing is the big issue, it is the shear numbers that swarm a ref at every oppurtunity.