NCT avoidance

Bodhan

So over the last couple of weeks I've been out cycling every evening because I'm doing a 200km charity cycle this summer.
While out I've been passing rows of parked cars and I've noticed that out of 24 parked cars there was only 12 of them with valid NCT's and 19 with Road Tax.

Now it's not that I'm snooping or anything but with such a large percentage of cars with no NCT (some of them out for 2 years) what is the point of having the NCT at all?

What's it like in your area?

Atlantic Dawn

Yes I noticed the same, good cash cow for the government in fines but they can't be arsed chasing them :mad:

Big Nasty

It's rampant outside of Dublin.

MetzgerMeister

On your cycle, don't get stuck behind a "bloody polo doing about 5 mile an hour" :P

Around here there's plenty of cars that are 07 and older without any NCT disc at all, let alone an out of date one.

Bodhan

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

On your cycle, don't get stuck behind a "bloody polo doing about 5 mile an hour" :P

Around here there's plenty of cars that are 07 and older without any NCT disc at all, let alone an out of date one.

Ahh the outtakes video, lots of quotable stuff there

I had no idea the lack of an NCT was so rampant, could be half the cars on the road and now the price is going up.

TestTransmission

My next door neighbours NCT is out over 2 years I think, her tax is out about 1 year and her insurance disc expired about 6 months ago and she's been driving it since I moved into the estate about 11 months ago.

How she hasn't been stopped is ridiculous.

bbam

TestTransmission wrote: »

My next door neighbours NCT is out over 2 years I think, her tax is out about 1 year and her insurance disc expired about 6 months ago and she's been driving it since I moved into the estate about 11 months ago.

How she hasn't been stopped is ridiculous.

I probably do about 30K miles a year, Cavan-Meath-Dublin-Louth, haven't been stopped in years, probably 3 years at least..
I could have saved a fortune....
I read on boards that the Guards are turning off the number plate scanners due to such a high hit rate for no tax...

total joke:mad:

EDIT: just remembered last time a Guard stopped me... speed check in 2007, 2 points

TestTransmission

bbam wrote: »

I probably do about 30K miles a year, Cavan-Meath-Dublin-Louth, haven't been stopped in years, probably 3 years at least..
I could have saved a fortune....
I read on boards that the Guards are turning off the number plate scanners due to such a high hit rate for no tax...

total joke:mad:

EDIT: just remembered last time a Guard stopped me... speed check in 2007, 2 points

well,I've come across a few checkpoints in the general area I live in.The best thing about is that my other next door neighbours are cops. :pac:

-Corkie-

Did any of you see the thread that dgt started last week about the Yaris in Navan. Everything was out of date nearly 6 years..;)

serious3

TestTransmission wrote: »

well,I've come across a few checkpoints in the general area I live in.The best thing about is that my other next door neighbours are cops. :pac:

and have they noticed the car you mentioned earlier in the thread?

bamboo2012

lol..... in order to pass my nct's, i Have just changed two brand new tyres that costs me euro 280, hope it will pass

Chris_Heilong

I dont really agree with the NCT, IMO it should only start when a car is 10 years+ and then every 3 years after that. Saying that I would never not pay it.

Just a thought but a better system would be you get a letter stating an inspector with a mobile tester would call out to you and lift the car and test it, ....too unrealistic:p

challengemaster

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I dont really agree with the NCT, IMO it should only start when a car is 10 years+ and then every 3 years after that. Saying that I would never not pay it.

That's absolutely crazy when you consider for the vast majority of the population, the NCT is the only reason their cars get any attention like servicing etc.

TestTransmission

serious3 wrote: »

and have they noticed the car you mentioned earlier in the thread?

Not by the looks of it

Chris_Heilong

challengemaster wrote: »

That's absolutely crazy when you consider for the vast majority of the population, the NCT is the only reason their cars get any attention like servicing etc.

Really, I thought the NCT was just to generate money for the Government and annoy the rest of us. Most people wouldn't even give their car a full service, they would put it trough and only fix what was reported as a fail.

gammygils

Been trying to book my car in for NCT on-line for days now. There's always some problem. 'Error 50' or some ****. Any of ye get that?

si_guru

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Really, I thought the NCT was just to generate money for the Government and annoy the rest of us. Most people wouldn't even give their car a full service, they would put it trough and only fix what was reported as a fail.

And if wasn't for the NCT they would drive it till they crashed for lack of brakes or bald tyres... or something else!

Most peole only fix their car BECAUSE of the NCT.

alias no.9

challengemaster wrote: »

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I dont really agree with the NCT, IMO it should only start when a car is 10 years+ and then every 3 years after that. Saying that I would never not pay it.

That's absolutely crazy when you consider for the vast majority of the population, the NCT is the only reason their cars get any attention like servicing etc.

Whatever about basic servicing, suspension work (bushings, wishbones, shocks, drop links, etc) was almost entirely overlooked before the NCT. Brake pads/shoes may have been changed but disks, corroded metal brake lines and freyed and kinked flexible brake lines were largely overlooked too.

dgt

NCT dodging? Rampant here :rolleyes:

I NCTd my old car once. NCT was up in 2009, I drove round in it till December 2010 (a crashed car will never be right so I decided to strip it). I got stopped many times by gardai after (car had blatently illegal silvered windows, a ridiculous exhaust that took the píss and I think the KK reg had something to do with that too) they never once said a thing about the out of date disc. The tin hat was when a garda stopped me outside Slane. He asked me what was in the boot, stared long and hard at my discs, why was I driving round with "illegal" windows, etc... Asked for names and licences (gf was with me) said "Oh your'e locals" laughed and sent us on our way...

Needless to say, I'm in the process of NCTing my daily hack at the mo. Older and wiser

gammygils

gammygils wrote: »

Been trying to book my car in for NCT on-line for days now. There's always some problem. 'Error 50' or some ****. Any of ye get that?

Been getting that myself today, probably a ploy to get your test into February so you'll be paying the new charge of €55.

unkel

Enforcement of motor tax and NCT is appalling esp. outside Dublin. Proper enforcement would earn the state millions and millions in fines and revenue. I'd rather the government gets the money from where it is owed than yet another tax hike / fuel excise increase to be coughed up by tax / NCT compliant people like me.

Sorry for rant

eth0

Dubs annoyed at non-Dubs not doing everything by the book like they do.

What's new?

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Enforcement of motor tax and NCT is appalling esp. outside Dublin. Proper enforcement would earn the state millions and millions in fines and revenue.

Exactly, no point setting all this stuff up and saying you need it if your not going to bother checking it, and it's not as if it's hard to check either.

MidlandsM

unkel wrote: »

Enforcement of motor tax and NCT is appalling esp. outside Dublin.

bit of a wide sweeping opinion....but not entirely true Unkel. I see plenty of AGS check points all the time, here - "down the country" and the local papers is always full of convictions.

Atomic Pineapple

What exactly is their to avoid though? Its only €50/€55 and a few hours off work at most.

Dublinstiofán

TestTransmission wrote: »

My next door neighbours NCT is out over 2 years I think, her tax is out about 1 year and her insurance disc expired about 6 months ago and she's been driving it since I moved into the estate about 11 months ago.

How she hasn't been stopped is ridiculous.

Its a joke, similarly, although all my documents are in order i have only been stopped once in 7 years.

ToxicPaddy

I haven't even seen a checkpoint in the last 3 months let alone be stopped at one. Always have my documents in order and try and follow the rules of the road yet I see people on mobile phones while driving numerous times a day, cars with no tax, no NCT, no insurance, lights not working, crazy driving etc nothing is done. :mad:

Its a bloody disgrace. Millions are spent on ads for stopping speeding etc yet they dont even do the basics and make sure cars are road legal in the first place. :rolleyes:

Its a bloody joke!!!

wesf

i haven't seen a single guard in over a month now, and that was with a lot of driving over the xmas.
nct in the morning, here's hoping!
no tax since last march though, oh well!

BrianD3

I've driven well over 300k miles in the last 10 years and have come across very few tax checkpoints in that time, certainly less than 10. If I had been driving a 3.0+ litre car and taxing it 3 months on 2 months off I'd have evaded thousands in tax.

Also, if I'd been using agri diesel for all that driving I'd have been caught 0 or at most 1 times by customs and would have evaded a few thousand in fuel taxes too.

Have never been breathalysed either.

unkel

draffodx wrote: »

What exactly is their to avoid though? Its only €50/€55 and a few hours off work at most.

Not sure about other centres, but the one near me is open 70-80 hours a week. Nobody needs to miss a minute off work getting their car tested there.

shawnee

The current climate leads the hard pressed motorist to do anything to make it cheaper. Now given the choice of feeding a family or heating the house and nctng once car , then the choice is obvious ! If one is stopped without nct and I have been stopped at several checkpoints in the last two years, the penalties are harsh enough. I have also seen cars loaded up for no tax. So while I do not condone what is going on , in some ways I do understand that there are far worse crimes being committed in the state than not having one's car nctd. I do feel that this nct has become a rip off, it started with certain items has increased these items and now requires yearly tests and following that has increased prices from 50 to 55. This makes a cost of 110 to nct a 10 year old car every year. Rip off !!!:mad:;)

Bodhan

From what I read here I see that while you all think the NCT is needed for keeping the dangerous cars off the road there is a problem with the costs involved with getting the cert.
The big problem seems to be enforcement or the lack of it. I am on the road all over the country everyday, I'm in Dublin twice a week and I've never been stopped..for anything.
I've seen 2 checkpoints around Portlaoise in as many years and both of them were in obscure places around the town.

So what if there was better compliance with getting Tax and NCT certs on the cars? Would you be more in favour of the NCT if it was cheaper and more people complied?

shawnee

Bodhan wrote: »

From what I read here I see that while you all think the NCT is needed for keeping the dangerous cars off the road there is a problem with the costs involved with getting the cert.
The big problem seems to be enforcement or the lack of it. I am on the road all over the country everyday, I'm in Dublin twice a week and I've never been stopped..for anything.
I've seen 2 checkpoints around Portlaoise in as many years and both of them were in obscure places around the town.

So what if there was better compliance with getting Tax and NCT certs on the cars? Would you be more in favour of the NCT if it was cheaper and more people complied?

Yes I would be more in favour if it were cheaper and I do not understand the reason why they continue to extend the requirements , reduce the validity period ( in cars over 10 years) and continue to increase the price. I have seen cars with the English mot service , where items have been failed advisory and these would be automatically failed here in Ireland . So yes I do believe it is ripping off motorists and I do not understand why they keep moving the goalposts. :eek:

mcwhirter

Is insurance void if you have no nct?

The Master.

my girlfriend has her nct in the morning, we have looked all over for her logbook.
is there any chance they will test the car without it and let her get a new one in?
is it the tax office you go to to order a new log book?

puzzle factory

mcwhirter wrote: »

Is insurance void if you have no nct?

no

puzzle factory

The Master. wrote: »

my girlfriend has her nct in the morning, we have looked all over for her logbook.
is there any chance they will test the car without it and let her get a new one in?
is it the tax office you go to to order a new log book?

you have to get in contact with shannon http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/ they will send you a form that you have to get stamped at your local garda station and then you have to send it back to them with the €20 fee,takes a month at low water.and no they wont test it.

shawnee

The Master. wrote: »

my girlfriend has her nct in the morning, we have looked all over for her logbook.
is there any chance they will test the car without it and let her get a new one in?
is it the tax office you go to to order a new log book?

Can't say for certain that they won't test it without log book, you will however find details on the nct site. I suppose at this point you might just chance going up there with id and last nct cert

WhatNowForUs?

The Master. wrote: »

my girlfriend has her nct in the morning, we have looked all over for her logbook.
is there any chance they will test the car without it and let her get a new one in?
is it the tax office you go to to order a new log book?

They tested mine without a log book. I don't think they have to though.

Bearcat

Ehh , there not supposed to Nct car without a valid log book and the driver supplies a valid drivers Licence.

I think the Nct is a load of bullsh!t in many ways and there is no need to increase its fees by 10% when no one has a pot to p!$$ in.:mad:

si_guru

Bearcat wrote:

I think the Nct is a load of bullsh!t.

You've been drinkin', right?

The NCT is the only way you know your fellow motorist has a safe car (for at least 1 day every year).

Means Of Escape

Bodhan wrote: »

So over the last couple of weeks I've been out cycling every evening because I'm doing a 200km charity cycle this summer.
While out I've been passing rows of parked cars and I've noticed that out of 24 parked cars there was only 12 of them with valid NCT's and 19 with Road Tax.

Now it's not that I'm snooping or anything but with such a large percentage of cars with no NCT (some of them out for 2 years) what is the point of having the NCT at all?

What's it like in your area?

The point is if you come across a hard nosed Garda he might hit you with 5 penalty points

Means Of Escape

mcwhirter wrote: »

Is insurance void if you have no nct?

Depends on the size of the claim you can be assured.
If there are fatalities and youre at fault it's goodnight.

Means Of Escape

wesf wrote: »

i haven't seen a single guard in over a month now, and that was with a lot of driving over the xmas.
nct in the morning, here's hoping!
no tax since last march though, oh well!

Oh well my sack
If they upped the fine to 2k for out of tax discs then it might get freeloaders to sit up.

él statutorio

WhatNowForUs? wrote: »

They tested mine without a log book. I don't think they have to though.

I've never brought a log book to an nct test nor was I ever asked for one. This is news to me!

mcwhirter

puzzle factory wrote: »

no

Then why get it done then, there is no incentive, only the mugs get it done.. Other than having a safer car to drive maybe, but if it was enforced, that would be a different story..

mcwhirter

me bolly wrote: »

Depends on the size of the claim you can be assured.
If there are fatalities and youre at fault it's goodnight.

If should be either yes or no, straight down the line, none of this wishy washy shiite

Mycroft H

Bearcat wrote: »

Ehh , there not supposed to Nct car without a valid log book and the driver supplies a valid drivers Licence.

I think the Nct is a load of bullsh!t in many ways and there is no need to increase its fees by 10% when no one has a pot to p!$$ in.:mad:

Hmmmm I didn't have either the last time I went for an NCT in november. No questions asked and of course they took my 50 euros