William Street 20 illuminated cones what a waste

bigpink

http://www.limerick.ie/living/whatsnew/williamstreetwelcomesnewilluminatedfeatures/name,46570,en.html

Id love to see the cost of these,what a waste.Im shur the comtract was for someones relative or somrthing and to keep the "graphics" updated

TestTransmission

It's to enhance the way city's streets look which is part of a larger project.In my opinion they look fantastic.

Stop being so negative.

juan.kerr

There's more to government spending than just social welfare and health etc and rightly so.

CrazyChick18

I think there lovely and they really brighten up the street and when the roadworks are over with the street will be nice.

Comhrá

Quote from CrazyChick18:
I think there lovely and they really brighten up the street and when the roadworks are over with the street will be nice.

Agreed. They give Wm. Street a nice sort of cosmopolitan smart look.
Well worth spending some money on anything that visually enhances the city centre IMHO.

John.

bigpink

A classic style street light or something like that maybe,they look tacky and the graphics are poor
OFten seen as negative here im not im a realist and imo think they are a waste

bigpink

Why do all our newly done streets have to have so many bloody signs,bollards,barriers

ninty9er

They're a fantastic addition, but I must agree that the current graphic is pathetic.

Plenty of scope for public art in the form of local history, environmental art or festival art.

More of these, not less!

mrsfraw

bigpink wrote: »

Why do all our newly done streets have to have so many bloody signs,bollards,barriers

I have to agree. I drove up William Street/ upper William street the other night and said the same thing to my husband. It would have been better to update the ancient electricity poles which really take the look off the street first before adding in yet more poles into the equation. The sheer amount of cabling, poles and road sign poles etc is all of it really necessary as is? It looks terrible.

bullets

I dont like them at all. I think they look cheap and tacky.

The first thing I thought was that
they just looked like something where before long places will pay
to advertise and you would walk up the street and just see Advertisements on poles.

I'd of liked to have seen something non-modern looking.


~B

mgbgt1978

bigpink wrote: »

http://www.limerick.ie/living/whatsnew/williamstreetwelcomesnewilluminatedfeatures/name,46570,en.html

Id love to see the cost of these,what a waste.Im shur the comtract was for someones relative or somrthing and to keep the "graphics" updated

It was reported that these were bought in the UK.
So, even though we are in the throes of a massive recession Limerick city council couldn't buy local (or at least from an Irish supplier).

source; limerick Post 7th Jan, page 6.

bigpink

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

It was reported that these were bought in the UK.
So, even though we are in the throes of a massive recession Limerick city council couldn't buy local (or at least from an Irish supplier).

source; limerick Post 7th Jan, page 6.

:eek::mad:

bullets

3 tenders from Limerick Company's were submitted for the Cones
and it still went to a British Company :mad:
Fer fup sake.

~B

ninty9er

I buy where I get the best deal. I expect the city council to do the same as theyre spending my money and yours.

maryk123

I think they look fab and definitely could use more of these

puntosporting

painting over cracks!
Take a good look at the actual shop fronts and buildings beyond the street paving!

mgbgt1978

ninty9er wrote: »

I buy where I get the best deal. I expect the city council to do the same as theyre spending my money and yours.

Without knowing the figures for the Tenders ( there might well have been only €50 between the lowest Limerick tender and the UK one), the City Council may well have cut off their nose to spite their face here.
The money paid out in this instance went straight to the UK, whereas a local firm would be paying Rates, local taxes, etc.

Apart from all that, the bloody street still isn't even finished.....it still needs at least one more layer of Tarmac, and they are still digging up the side streets (High St. and Wickham St.) making access and departure from William St. awkward as well as causing traffic build ups.

highlydebased

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Without knowing the figures for the Tenders ( there might well have been only €50 between the lowest Limerick tender and the UK one), the City Council may well have cut off their nose to spite their face here.
The money paid out in this instance went straight to the UK, whereas a local firm would be paying Rates, local taxes, etc.

Apart from all that, the bloody street still isn't even finished.....it still needs at least one more layer of Tarmac, and they are still digging up the side streets (High St. and Wickham St.) making access and departure from William St. awkward as well as causing traffic build ups.

The idea was that they'd down tools in the lead up to Christmas and left it in it's current state so that there was not work going on during Christmas, basically. I'd imagine they'll resume work this week or whatever.

High street badly needs to be done too. About time.

mgbgt1978

It was originally reported that the work would be finished by October....then when October came and went it was reported that the work would be finished by Christmas.
Luckily for them they didn't say which Christmas they were thinking of.

CamperMan

bullets wrote: »

3 tenders from Limerick Company's were submitted for the Cones
and it still went to a British Company :mad:
Fer fup sake.

~B

maybe the british company was owned by an Irishman!... also someone very close to the head of the county council in Limerick??? you know how it works, corruption everywhere!

thesimpsons

Have to agree with Bullets I'd far prefer to see classic old style lamp posts here. The cones do brighten up the street but I think something less commercial looking should have been installed. Why are they on Sarsfield Street too though ? I thought Wm Street only commenced after the traffic lights.

ninty9er

Different state agencies have different tender procedures. They don't all base it on cost alone.

Irish companies moan about all the forms and no guarantee of getting the contract, yet fail to see that this is exactly the same position as overseas companies. Plenty of opportunities all over Europe for Irish companies, but I suppose they couldn't be bothered putting in the effort. Typical attitude. Sure they're local, give it to em, who cares what it costs.

We don't live in a city where money grows on trees, even if a local company got the contract, there's no guarantee they'd employ local people.

CiaranMT

bigpink wrote: »

A classic style street light or something like that maybe,they look tacky and the graphics are poor
OFten seen as negative here im not im a realist and imo think they are a waste

I for one think they look great.

And bigpink, I'd have said you're completely negative here until I saw your Opera centre thread there :P

Brian Lighthouse

puntosporting wrote: »

painting over cracks!
Take a good look at the actual shop fronts and buildings beyond the street paving!

I see your point, however the "Broken Window Theory" shows that if the council clean up and enhance an area, business`and residents will follow. It also works conversely.

http://www.economist.com/node/12630201?story_id=12630201

Liam Byrne

ninty9er wrote: »

I buy where I get the best deal. I expect the city council to do the same as theyre spending my money and yours.

€40,000 for a basic WordPress website ? Commissioning Barak Obama's crowd for no other reason than - and I quote a party member of yours - "we could do with a bit of Obama" ? (Even though to my knowledge he didn't come with the site)

You obviously don't have the same mindset as your party! Why are you still a member ?

ninty9er

Liam Byrne wrote: »

€40,000 for a basic WordPress website ? Commissioning Barak Obama's crowd for no other reason than - and I quote a party member of yours - "we could do with a bit of Obama" ? (Even though to my knowledge he didn't come with the site)

You obviously don't have the same mindset as your party! Why are you still a member ?

Ever thought that HE was the one that didn't have the same mindset as the party, or that these decisions are taken by civil servants:rolleyes:

RonMexico

The only thing I have noticed on the new look William St. is the disgusting amount of chewing gum covering the new footpaths and the red sections of the road. Unbelievable amount of it and anyone that spits chewing gum on the street is a knuckle dragging imbecile.

CiaranMT

RonMexico wrote: »

The only thing I have noticed on the new look William St. is the disgusting amount of chewing gum covering the new footpaths and the red sections of the road. Unbelievable amount of it and anyone that spits chewing gum on the street is a knuckle dragging imbecile.

Surely you've seen the type that walks up and down that street? :pac:

SugarHigh

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Without knowing the figures for the Tenders ( there might well have been only €50 between the lowest Limerick tender and the UK one), the City Council may well have cut off their nose to spite their face here.
The money paid out in this instance went straight to the UK, whereas a local firm would be paying Rates, local taxes, etc.

Apart from all that, the bloody street still isn't even finished.....it still needs at least one more layer of Tarmac, and they are still digging up the side streets (High St. and Wickham St.) making access and departure from William St. awkward as well as causing traffic build ups.

AFAIK it's illegal under EU law to favor an Irish company over a foreign one. If the Irish company can't compete that's their problem.

Liam Byrne

SugarHigh wrote: »

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Without knowing the figures for the Tenders ( there might well have been only €50 between the lowest Limerick tender and the UK one), the City Council may well have cut off their nose to spite their face here.
The money paid out in this instance went straight to the UK, whereas a local firm would be paying Rates, local taxes, etc.

Apart from all that, the bloody street still isn't even finished.....it still needs at least one more layer of Tarmac, and they are still digging up the side streets (High St. and Wickham St.) making access and departure from William St. awkward as well as causing traffic build ups.

AFAIK it's illegal under EU law to favor an Irish company over a foreign one. If the Irish company can't compete that's their problem.

If an Irish company can't compete it's probably due to ridiculous rent policies and a completely f**ked-up economy where the aim seems to be to make it as awkward as possible for SMEs to become MLEs.......let's all fawn over the fickle multinationals and UK chains instead, and then panic when they threaten to move.

whatdoicare

The cones look awful and they are not going to stand up to the test of time at all. They remind me of the cone wrappers you get chips in in England.

Really - they ruined the castle and now they've ruined a newly refurbished main street. Who the hell makes the creative decisions in Limerick?? They really don't know how to enhance an area and they really, really have no clue how to choose a design that will age well.

jbkenn

ninty9er wrote: »

Different state agencies have different tender procedures. They don't all base it on cost alone.

Irish companies moan about all the forms and no guarantee of getting the contract, yet fail to see that this is exactly the same position as overseas companies. Plenty of opportunities all over Europe for Irish companies, but I suppose they couldn't be bothered putting in the effort. Typical attitude. Sure they're local, give it to em, who cares what it costs.

We don't live in a city where money grows on trees, even if a local company got the contract, there's no guarantee they'd employ local people.

Did you ever see the German Police drive a Renault?.
Did you ever see the French Police drive a Volkswagen?.
Funny, the same EU rules apply, but somehow, they always manage to buy their own, go figure.

savagecabbages

The street would look much better without them, which would have saved money too!

RadioClash

God knows it needed this and the re-paving. I was hosting a Canadian visitor a good while back and he remarked that the street looked like a 1950's Canadian backwater.

savagecabbages

RadioClash wrote: »

God knows it needed this and the re-paving. I was hosting a Canadian visitor a good while back and he remarked that the street looked like a 1950's Canadian backwater.

+1 on the repaving, which I'm sure everyone agrees was needed, but its these tacky advertising cones people have the issue with....

roast

Saw them yesterday evening. They looked pretty nice in the dark. I don't see the problem with them.

Gallee

roast wrote: »

Saw them yesterday evening. They looked pretty nice in the dark. I don't see the problem with them.

I agree. Lets see how they bear up over time. Hell of a lot better that what the street was like before.

phog

jbkenn wrote: »

Did you ever see the German Police drive a Renault?.
Did you ever see the French Police drive a Volkswagen?.
Funny, the same EU rules apply, but somehow, they always manage to buy their own, go figure.

Yea, we should start a trade war, I'm sure we'd come out on the winning side.

Have you seen the growth rate for our exports?

jmch81

I knew there was something about the cones I found funny, but couldn't remember till I drove past the river. If you look closely at the current display on the cones you'll see the All-Season Tree/Recycled Christmas Tree (valued at €10m+ to Limerick), included in the city scape on the bottom.

Was going to take a picture but my current phones camera is poor to say the least!

Edit: http://www.limerick.ie/living/whatsnew/williamstreetwelcomesnewilluminatedfeatures/name,46570,en.html
The last picture shows what appears to me to be the Christmas tree

seachto7

what's even funnier is "William Street - Worth the journey". :D

Blazer

"Vincent Murray, senior engineer, Limerick City Council said the re-modelling of Limerick City Centre has been under-way since 2001, comprising the creation of a new public square at Baker Place, streetscape improvements at Lower Bedford Row, and a major transformation of Upper Bedford Row (between Henry Street and O’Connell Street)."


11 bloody years and all that's done is the above?...these clowns are a complete disgrace.:mad:
I lived in the city for about 15 years and only moved out about 5 years ago and might get in there a few times a year but it's unreal how bad it's gotten in there.
Was in there again yesterday and it was unreal how quiet it was. I don't think I had to wait anything more than a second to cross streets etc and O'Connell Street was like a morgue....very sad to see

source

Blazer wrote: »

"Vincent Murray, senior engineer, Limerick City Council said the re-modelling of Limerick City Centre has been under-way since 2001, comprising the creation of a new public square at Baker Place, streetscape improvements at Lower Bedford Row, and a major transformation of Upper Bedford Row (between Henry Street and O’Connell Street)."


11 bloody years and all that's done is the above?...these clowns are a complete disgrace.:mad:
I lived in the city for about 15 years and only moved out about 5 years ago and might get in there a few times a year but it's unreal how bad it's gotten in there.
Was in there again yesterday and it was unreal how quiet it was. I don't think I had to wait anything more than a second to cross streets etc and O'Connell Street was like a morgue....very sad to see

Your outdated quote is missing a few things, for example:

Thomas St (whole street)
Augtinian lane, Todds Bow, Foxes Bow.
Catherine St (1 block)
Sarsfield St
William St (almost complete)
Milk Market
George's Quay
O'Callaghan Strand
Clancy Strand
Henry Street (2 blocks, on 1 side)
And they've started and are quite advanced on works on St John's Square.

Not sure if I've missed out on any but I think I have the whole list there.

That's a lot of public space works in the last 10 years. What you have to remember is they cannot pull everything up and do it all at once. The have to do it piece by piece in order to not disrupt traffic flow and not inconvenience the public.

Personally when looking at the almost complete list it's an impressive body of work.

source

Blazer, I've just found the article you took that quote from, the very next paragraph says:


"Substantial upgrade works have also been carried out on Thomas Street, Little Catherine Street, Augustinian Land, Foxes Bow and Block 1 of Catherine Street. Along the riverside, major public realm improvements have also been completed at O’Callaghan Strand and Clancy Strand including the new Board walk all of which demonstrate the City Council’s commitment to revitalising Limerick City Centre," he added.

Looks like you were being a bit economical with your quote in order to back up your views, of laziness and ineptitude in Limerick City Council.

Edit: article URL: http://www.limerick.ie/living/whatsnew/williamstreetwelcomesnewilluminatedfeatures/name,46570,en.html

Can't link it properly from mobile.

kenoconnell

TestTransmission wrote: »

It's to enhance the way city's streets look which is part of a larger project.In my opinion they look fantastic.

Stop being so negative.

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