Range?

BigGunner

Hey guys

Just wondering what kind of range people are getting from their AEGs. with .2 bb's.

Puding

effective range or terminal range? there is a massive difference between where a bb hits the floor and being able to effectively hit a target, I see effective range as the range at which you can reliably hit a torso sized target

BigGunner

Effective range.

Hitting a torso sized object with enough force to feel it.

$kilkenny

depends on what you have done, a standard gun would have less effective range than a G&P m16 with a guarder clear hop up bucking and a 510mm TBB (only used as an example)

and it would also where you hit someone, you could shoot someone point blank and hit them in their rig and they wouldnt feel it but should hear it.

if you can physically hit bare skin or light clothing they should feel it though

c28omzk7ihsxv0

All one joule guns have an effective range (In terms of people feeling and hearing it) of about 100ft (Depending on BB weight as higher BB weights maintain more energy for longer).

Stercus Accidit

The general consensus is that .25g bb's will get the most range at the 1 joule limit all other factors taken into account like adjusting your hop etc.
It has been my experience also, I would tune my setup towards .25s and got great range, it would often be an advantage in a game too.

c28omzk7ihsxv0

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

The general consensus is that .25g bb's will get the most range at the 1 joule limit all other factors taken into account like adjusting your hop etc.
It has been my experience also, I would tune my setup towards .25s and got great range, it would often be an advantage in a game too.

I was playing earlier today and was getting kills at 120ft+ with .25g BB's

T4RGET

the last time I zero'd my F2000's red dot i was getting 50 metres, could hit 60 by aiming up slightly with ,2's. it has been a while since I've checked the range again as I've started playing indoors alot so the range isn't really there to check

_ricochet_

Anyone look at redwolfs facebook page lately where they were talking about using 6.20mm for max range.

T4RGET

_ricochet_ wrote: »

Anyone look at redwolfs facebook page lately where they were talking about using 6.20mm for max range.

6.2 or 6.02?

Inari

6.2 is indeed correct, in fact I think it's 6.23 or something like that.

The general consensus is the larger the bore (to an extent), the greater terminal distance you can achieve, however you are not A) as accurate nor as consistent.

Tighter = more accurate and more consistent. Larger = greater distance at the expense of accuracy

T4RGET

that's the first I've heard of this, interesting.. I always found that the stock barrels in the likes of a SCAR etc, gave bad range them being 6.08 or something like that so I can only imagine what this would do, but the concept is strange.

eversmann

Inari wrote: »

6.2 is indeed correct, in fact I think it's 6.23 or something like that.

The general consensus is the larger the bore (to an extent), the greater terminal distance you can achieve, however you are not A) as accurate nor as consistent.

Tighter = more accurate and more consistent. Larger = greater distance at the expense of accuracy

Probably an additional reason why Tanio Koba twist barrels (when done right) will give great range

c28omzk7ihsxv0

Tighter doesn't always mean more consistent, it's different with every gun, and the quality of the bore is much more important e.g a Prothemus or PDI TBB 6.08 will be better then a Deepfire 6.02 in all terms (Besides price) Also Construction is important as metals such as stainless steel will vibrate less thus reducing inaccuracies.

_ricochet_

I was shocked when I had seen it, a support gun is probably where a big fat barrel would work best. It was 6.23mm.

T4RGET

_ricochet_ wrote: »

I was shocked when I had seen it, a support gun is probably where a big fat barrel would work best. It was 6.23mm.

sweet

_ricochet_

Link to the Redwolf thing. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150476041513950&set=pu.17117533949&type=1&theater

Link to discussion on this barrel on airsoftsociety.com http://www.airsoftsociety.com/forums/f10/6-23-barrel-39817/

$kilkenny

then what results will come out of the Magpul 6.00mm barrel if it comes out?

_ricochet_

$kilkenny wrote: »

then what results will come out of the Magpul 6.00mm barrel if it comes out?

Increase fps by 50 maybe, it will allow the use of a weaker spring to achieve the joule which is handy.

c28omzk7ihsxv0

Yes but you need damn good BB's. And you'll have to constantly clean the thing. And it'll be a rip off.

Decoy

Celsius CTW uses 6.00mm TBB, when I reviewed on it had the best grouping of any stock AEG I've ever seen although I can't comment on range as I didn't specifically test it for range. And yes, they are damn expensive, I believe they are in the $180 range.

Range without accuracy is only useful in a support gun IMO.

thermo

_ricochet_ wrote: »

Anyone look at redwolfs facebook page lately where they were talking about using 6.20mm for max range.

im not on bookface but did they mention what muzzle energy bracket they were in acheiving these results?

_ricochet_

Designed for Japan, (1 Joule) achieving massive range with both .25g and .30g

jayod30

I'm heading to Berget this year and lookin to do a few upgrades (in truth, get someone to do it for me:p) Anyway, was lookin at either Prometheus or Tanio Koba tightbore, looking to improve accuracy but at same time not lose to much range, if any, seeing the size of Berget I'll need all the range I can get. If any of you have any knowledge as to which would be best I'd be very grateful, thanks:)

ronan keane

jayod30 wrote: »

I'm heading to Berget this year and lookin to do a few upgrades (in truth, get someone to do it for me:p) Anyway, was lookin at either Prometheus or Tanio Koba tightbore, looking to improve accuracy but at same time not lose to much range, if any, seeing the size of Berget I'll need all the range I can get. If any of you have any knowledge as to which would be best I'd be very grateful, thanks:)

Prometheus Ask anyone with a Tanio Koba twist and most will probably say it for Semi only as on full auto they don't fly straight

eversmann

TM VSR G-Spec, 430mm Tanio Koba Twist Barrel, 120 Spring, 290fps with a .25g.

The range should be immense.

Reach out and touch someone

Should have her up and running soon.

jayod30

ronan keane wrote: »

Prometheus Ask anyone with a Tanio Koba twist and most will probably say it for Semi only as on full auto they don't fly straight

Which doesn't fly straight, the Tanio Koba or both? I'll most likely be using full auto at some points so that has to be takin into consideration

jayod30

eversmann wrote: »

TM VSR G-Spec, 430mm Tanio Koba Twist Barrel, 120 Spring, 290fps with a .25g.

The range should be immense.

Reach out and touch someone

Should have her up and running soon.

Be sure to let us know how you get on:)

ronan keane

jayod30 wrote: »

Which doesn't fly straight, the Tanio Koba or both? I'll most likely be using full auto at some points so that has to be takin into consideration

Sorry should have stated with the Prometheus its a normal barrel just good quality the tanio koba twist barrel causes a small cyclone behind the BB of air on Full auto the BBs come out in a cyclone and that ain't good so get the prommy if you are going to be full auto

jayod30

ronan keane wrote: »

Sorry should have stated with the Prometheus its a normal barrel just good quality the tanio koba twist barrel causes a small cyclone behind the BB of air on Full auto the BBs come out in a cyclone and that ain't good so get the prommy if you are going to be full auto

That's great, appreciate the advice:)

c28omzk7ihsxv0

If you are looking for range you deal with the hop up and not the barrel. the barrel is for consistancy and can help...to an extent

If you really wan't range make a g-hop or r-hop. (Flat hop up) Fellas in Japan (and the US I think) can get out to 300 feet with one joule. It'll land like a butterfly but it'll be cool.

I imagine though with the Berget FPS limits though I'd build an L96 shooting 550 (Change the spring over there of course so there's nothing illegal going on ) With a Prommy, PDI or EDGI TBB (6.03) (Shorter build so a 450mm barrel) Cut the length of the outer barrel and add a silencer (More compact with the shorter barrel) Add either a PDI hop up with high arms or a G-hop or a helix hop up. Then use washed madbulls .4g or goldenball .4g (harder than the madbulls) You see a heavier BB retains a higher energy for longer and actually can travel further then lighter rounds with 'foreign' FPS builds.
Laylax Cylinder with Zero trigger and modded to fit PDI Hard piston. All with dampeners and the stock dampened to. Only problem with this build is you'd have a 75-100ft MED.