Demise of 'boy racers' leads to fall in number of accidents

CamperMan

Demise of 'boy racers' leads to fall in number of accidents... :D:D:D

http://www.wexfordpeople.ie/news/demise-of-boy-racers-leads-to-fall-in-number-of-accidents-2979770.html

" The boy racer seems to have gone off the face of the earth, probably because mammy and daddy can't afford to finance his driving,' said the Inspector."

what a shame

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

HAH!! Unfortunately, It'll be a long freezing cold day in Hell before they become extinct up here in Donegal!!!

challengemaster

Must have been a long day at the office and/or stuck for an article

13spanner

Alot less Civics and Glanzas to be seen on the roads alright. Surely less young male accidents will mean lower insurance for us lads?.... I doubt it somehow

Plug

What Plug thinks:
A lot of labourers or apprentices in the country were boy racers back in the boom, they were a lot more deaths back then on the roads. Now we have no labourers or apprentices so maybe thats why deaths are dropping. Its got nothing to do with the Guards or them money camera vans.

Nissan doctor

What's worse is that there are people who will actually believe rubbish like that article:rolleyes:



The high insurance cars like the civic type R's and glanzas etc might be gone off the road, but has no one noticed the massive jump in the number of much easier to insure 'felt' spec VAG's? You don't think these are mostly the same drivers? Do you think they are driving differently because they got a different car?

Drummerboy08

Funny, I read that article this evening in the paper.

Odd, I've been stopped at one checkpoint in 3 years of driving around Wexford and Dublin.

To be fair, it is correct when they say that the number of modified cars in Wexford has fallen, but it's the attitude of the writer/Garda in this article that really annoy me, especially as I was nearly wiped out by an elderly gent (who looked like he had just stepped out of a grave) this evening on the Gorey bypass driving a Focus.

Testament1

So in Wexford young lads are only able to drive if their parents buy them a car and pay for insurance? :rolleyes: I'd be willing to bet that theres a lot of "serious booooooo machines" around there these days rather than the usual Civic and Glanza suspects. These would be the same tools that had been driving in a Halfords sponsored shed of a 1.4 Civic a few years ago. Those type of lads pretty much just latch onto whatever the current trend is and copy/paste what the others have done.

As an aside any time you hear about road accidents its interesting to see how often a regular joe soap car is involved compared to how often modified performance cars are involved.....

focus_mad

Maybe it has to do with people slowly starting to realise that drink driving isn't a good thing?

From the attitude of the Garda, it sounds like someone wasn't bought things when he was a youngfella

kippy

Lower road deaths (this year) are down to four major factors:
Better "main" roads linking major part of the country.
Dublin Cork
Dublin Limerick
Dublin Galway
Dublin Belfast
Limerick Galway
And all locations in between......

The bad weather we had at the start of the year - less people took to the roads.

The amount of people that have left this country and their age/nationality profile.

The increase in "newer" "safer" cars due to CO2 regs, scrappage scheme, etc

Feck all else really........

Caliden

Less people working = less people driving = less accidents

JimmyCrackCorn

Caliden wrote: »

Less people working = less people driving = less accidents

The article is lazy, poorly researched and written to be sensational muck.

Fundamental rule of statistics correlation does not imply causation.

On a more serious note road deaths are due to increase substantially this year with the cuts in traffic corps numbers.

Ireland never had an issue with laws, it had a massive issue with enforcing them. I always personally believed that safer roads and enforcing laws was the sensible approach to saving lives.

Drummerboy08

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

Ireland never had an issue with laws, it had a massive issue with enforcing them. I always personally believed that safer roads and enforcing laws was the sensible approach to saving lives.

If we had proper driver education and training in this country, the number of deaths would be halved easily.

It should be a mandatory part of secondary education, along with basic car maintenance (Changing a tyre, bulb, wipers, checking oil etc)

But thats another argument.

kippy

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

If we had proper driver education and training in this country, the number of deaths would be halved easily.

It should be a mandatory part of secondary education, along with basic car maintenance (Changing a tyre, bulb, wipers, checking oil etc)

But thats another argument.

I disagree. (That the death rate would have with "proper driver education")
That would mean numbers below 100 deaths per year. The only way that is happening is with the implementation of more motorways.

Sadly, there will always be people out there that don't have the sense to realise that driving a car is an inherently dangerous activity and 100% focus is required at all times.

Testament1

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

On a more serious note road deaths are due to increase substantially this year with the cuts in traffic corps numbers.

I can't really see the cuts in the traffic corps having any real tangible effect on road deaths. Its not like they have a major visible presence on the roads as it is.

--Kaiser--

kippy wrote: »

Lower road deaths (this year) are down to four major factors:
Better "main" roads linking major part of the country.
Dublin Cork
Dublin Limerick
Dublin Galway
Dublin Belfast
Limerick Galway
And all locations in between......

The bad weather we had at the start of the year - less people took to the roads.

The amount of people that have left this country and their age/nationality profile.

The increase in "newer" "safer" cars due to CO2 regs, scrappage scheme, etc

Feck all else really........

QFT

Atomic Pineapple

kippy wrote: »

I disagree. (That the death rate would have with "proper driver education")
That would mean numbers below 100 deaths per year. The only way that is happening is with the implementation of more motorways.

Sadly, there will always be people out there that don't have the sense to realise that driving a car is an inherently dangerous activity and 100% focus is required at all times.

It might not have as dramatic effect as cutting it in half but driver education would in the long term would greatly reduce the number of road deaths, significantly more than speed cameras will in the long run in my opinion.

dancesatnight

ive a 600bhp modded jap car according to the news i am responsible for all of the road deaths. funny coz ive been driving since i was 17 and ive only had 2 crashes and that was two opa's braking lights and driving in to the side of me. then saying i didnt see u. won't mind but the car is so loud it would wake the dead

sidewaysdrivin

propper driver training should be manditory, what happens in a blowout, how to drive on ice or slippery conditions..... the amount of people i saw in the frost lastyear spinning out on straight pieces of road from getting a bit excited, jamming on the brakes and spinning violently out of control into ditches walls & kerbs was a joke. people dont know how to drive & its causing accidents. i went out in the ice lastyear and drove around an empty industrial estate for hours learning how to control my car on ice, got quite handy at it and it did save me once or twice on other trips where the back of the car stepped out, that bit of practice gave me the knowhow to keep with it & manage not to hit the ditch, unlike the flute behind me that decided brakes were the best option & ended up part of the wall...
i actually got caught doing my bit of messing just when i was leaving one night, guard was kinda going mental at me away as they do, next thing a woman saw the garda car abandoned in the middle of the road, jammed on & spun & up on the kerb, was quite funny and my answer to why i was messing was so things like that may not happen to me.... that was the end of that..............

so if you managed to get through that essay, my opinion is more driving skills need to be taught, rather than some of the BS that is currently enforced in the driving test





boyracers, they may not be as noticable now driving around in non-boyracer looking cars but rather everyday family cars like golfs & bora's ect but they're still there, they havent changed a bit... which leeds me to wonder is it all a tar with one brush job on loud exhausts, that the 17 year old driving around in the 1.4 civic with the exhaust left at home still has the bad name and rightly so,
but the other genuine car enthusiasts who were being branded as a boyracer, driving around in the car he's poured his heart&soul into is now driving around in the golf tdi runaround because of the price of petrol while his pride&joy is sitting in the shed at home. he hasnt changed his driving style but no longer has the loud exhaust which seems to automatically meen the driver is a wreckless lunatic boyracer... while the other lunatics are driving around unnoticed aswell except now in inconspicious cars making them blend in more

Lando Griffin

While driving on a road I know very well and know that in about 10 miles there are only about three chances to pass. One lad driving a family saloon with Child on board sticker after passing me out doing 100kmph and passed out 10 or 11 other cars nearly by some miracle not crashing head on. A few minutes later he/she was at a cross roads pulling in for petrol. Its idiots like this that put three of my family in hospital for a few months and I have no problem ringing the police about

sidewaysdrivin

Lando Griffin wrote: »

While driving on a road I know very well and know that in about 10 miles there are only about three chances to pass. One lad driving a family saloon with Child on board sticker after passing me out doing 100kmph and passed out 10 or 11 other cars nearly by some miracle not crashing head on. A few minutes later he/she was at a cross roads pulling in for petrol. Its idiots like this that put three of my family in hospital for a few months and I have no problem ringing the police about

i notice this with mercedes drivers, but its a commonly known fact that they own the road

bbsrs

dancesatnight wrote: »

ive a 600bhp modded jap car according to the news i am responsible for all of the road deaths. funny coz ive been driving since i was 17 and ive only had 2 crashes and that was two opa's braking lights and driving in to the side of me. then saying i didnt see u. won't mind but the car is so loud it would wake the dead

great!

kippy

dancesatnight wrote: »

ive a 600bhp modded jap car according to the news i am responsible for all of the road deaths. funny coz ive been driving since i was 17 and ive only had 2 crashes and that was two opa's braking lights and driving in to the side of me. then saying i didnt see u. won't mind but the car is so loud it would wake the dead

A 600BHP modded Jap car that wakes the dead - shouldnt be anywhere near the public road imho no matter how well you think you drive.

Testament1

kippy wrote: »

A 600BHP modded Jap car that wakes the dead - shouldnt be anywhere near the public road imho no matter how well you think you drive.

Nothing wrong with having a powerful car. Theres plenty of cars on Irish roads that have been modded to push out big power, there shouldnt be any issue once the owner isnt a complete mong! Having a problem with the noise level I can understand but the power figure shouldnt concern you in any way.

kippy

Testament1 wrote: »

Nothing wrong with having a powerful car. Theres plenty of cars on Irish roads that have been modded to push out big power, there shouldnt be any issue once the owner isnt a complete mong! Having a problem with the noise level I can understand but the power figure shouldnt concern you in any way.

If you reread my post you'll see where my issue is.

Speedy199

kippy wrote: »

If you reread my post you'll see where my issue is.

If the man has a 600bhp that he loves whos to judge? He has my vote if he can keep the car under control at all times and not be a lunatic on the road with other users!. Alot of my friends have modified cars but wouldnt call them boy racers.
Hes obviously a car enthusiast that loves what hes doing! But as most people can point out we live in a country that if you have a modified car they automatically judge you as an Eejit on the road or just plain dangerous. Most of these "Boy racers" are really just car enthusiasts who cant drive the cars that they worked hard for and poured money into without getting someone telling others that hes not a roadworthy user!

As long as the car doesnt have a straight through pipe im happy

JimmyCrackCorn

kippy wrote: »

Testament1 wrote: »

Nothing wrong with having a powerful car. Theres plenty of cars on Irish roads that have been modded to push out big power, there shouldnt be any issue once the owner isnt a complete mong! Having a problem with the noise level I can understand but the power figure shouldnt concern you in any way.

If you reread my post you'll see where my issue is.

If your issue is noise there is now a legal limit and I fail to see the point.

If your issue is power output I fail to see the point provided the vehicle is in responsible hands.

If your issue is modified and Japanese an nct and engineers report is a standard requirement for insurance.


Generally the people I see with very high output cars tend to be more responsible than a poorly modified 90s hatch.

Those I do know who have spent astronomical sums on on engines and chassis to reach those levels, have a healthy fear/understanding/respect for how terrifying 400bhp+ actually is.

I do however like the sensible approach that applies to bikes(ignoring loopholes) of graduated licences.

The current system fails at the basics.

kippy

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

If your issue is noise there is now a legal limit and I fail to see the point.

If your issue is power output I fail to see the point provided the vehicle is in responsible hands.

If your issue is modified and Japanese an nct and engineers report is a standard requirement for insurance.


Generally the people I see with very high output cars tend to be more responsible than a poorly modified 90s hatch.

Those I do know who have spent astronomical sums on on engines and chassis to reach those levels, have a healthy fear/understanding/respect for how terrifying 400bhp+ actually is.

I do however like the sensible approach that applies to bikes(ignoring loopholes) of graduated licences.

The current system fails at the basics.

The issue is two fold - louder than necessary exhausts and drivers who think they are better than everyone else.
I suppose the issue may be the fact that a person who has just gotten a license MAY if they have the means, legally get into a car of such power. (Which I suppose mirrors that point you just made)

Testament1

kippy wrote: »

The issue is two fold - louder than necessary exhausts and drivers who think they are better than everyone else.
I suppose the issue may be the fact that a person who has just gotten a license MAY if they have the means, legally get into a car of such power. (Which I suppose mirrors that point you just made)

No point in having 600 horses chomping at the bit and then strangling them with a pea shooter of an exhaust. Properly modded cars with big power tend to have a much less annoying sound than a Civic with a sewer pipe attached to it as a bit of time and research would have gone into finding the most suitable functional exhaust.

Also if the owner has proven that he's capable of handling his car then yeah he probably is a better driver than a lot of the clowns I see on the road.

Id agree with you on the last point though. Inexperienced drivers really should not be capable of getting their hands on big power cars but until some sort of grading system is introduced like the bike laws then legally they can drive whatever they want if they've the money for it.

dancesatnight

i dont see what the issue with driving a powerful car is at the end of the it will only go as fast as your right foot lets it?? also to point out the fact of the matter that its road legal and very well looked after maintained to the highiest degree my wallet will let me is some that i would question about an awful lot of other cars on the road are not. the director of my the company i work for who is not short of a penny or two was driving around on tires so bald you could see the material under the rubber how is that safe? there are two very clear lines drawn in the sand over some young lads hammering around their little 1.3's or perents cars and someone like me who as a serious passion for what im in to and frankly i find it quite insulting to be classed as a boy racer! everyone has a responiblity to not drive like a flute and air on the side of caution on the roads. all you need to do is drive from one end of the m50 to ther other and you will see people taking stupid risks and others taking it nice and easy or simply drive drive around and you will see modded cars or standard cars being driven by safe and truely unsafe drivers. its not fair to single out a group of people just because of what they drive. how many people do u see driving while on the phone?

focus_mad

The phone is a good point. Every car I have, a Bluetooth kit goes into it.

You see these 50k+ cars going around with the phone stuck to the drivers ear. Spend the extra 200 quid and get a handsfree!!!!

dar83

An Irish person paying for an Option? Are you feeling ok?!

Sure we all know the most important thing is the year and badge on the outside, if you have to sit on wooden boxes inside and pedal to make it go it doesn't matter, sure the neighbours won't notice that.

focus_mad

Ya have a point

That's just it though, a lot of "Chelsea tractors" at the primary school around the corner from me, pity non of them can park..so am fearful at them driving at speed!!!

focus_mad

Sixpig wrote: »

oh，no！

Oh yes!

4wd

there all in oz and canada

focus_mad

4wd wrote: »

there all in oz and canada

A 3 month old thread revival for THAT??? :rolleyes:

4wd

here then do u like?

focus_mad

4wd wrote: »

here then do u like?

What I meant was you revived a 3 month old thread for little to no meaningful input.

What sort of a mongrel is that in the picture?? :eek:

4wd

but its the truth they are all in canada or oz thets why threr not been peeled from lampposts and the roadside

was i ment to let it die in piece
i did a mumba on it shuda jus let it lie


its a lexabusihi

Graham_B18C

Don't bump old threads

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