Does the household charge apply to those on low incomes and/or in arrears?

kildon

hi,

Does the household charge apply to those on low incomes and/or in arrears?

k

baldbear

I'm fairly sure it does. Half the country on low incomes and in arrears!!So of course they will have to be shafted.

Unfinished estates/ghost estates are exempt, people on disability i think BUt don't take that for gospel.

Heres a link that includes the info, i couldn't be arsed reading it!

http://www.moneyguideireland.com/category/household-charge

hmmm

It's the usual shower who don't have to pay, in particular those who have been provided with free houses in the first place.


The following buildings are not defined as residential property and will not be liable for the charge : Buildings that are …

• Part of the trading stock of a business and from which no income has been derived since the building’s construction, and has never been used as a dwelling.

• vested in certain public authorities (including property where households are purchasing their homes under the Shared Ownership Scheme and where the local authority still retains an ownership stake)

• owned by voluntary housing bodies;

• wholly used as dwellings and liable for commercial rates

An owner of a residential property is exempt from the household charge if , on the liability date, the residential property is:

• Comprised in a discretionary trust;

• Owned by an approved charity;

• Vacated by the owner by reason of long term mental or physical infirmity.

Waivers

The following households will have the charge waived :

1. Those in receipt of mortgage interest supplement - (about 18,000 households)

2. Those in certain unfinished housing estates (Estimated to be less than 1300 estates) : – which will be on a list prescribed by the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government. (List not yet available).

the groutch

yet more protectionism for those at the top, and those supposedly at the bottom, with those in the middle getting screwed.

Sunny Dayz

Does anyone know if someone on the old age pension has to pay the household charge? I have looked at the official website and I cannot see anything to exempt it.
It's hardly right that my grandmother in her late 80's would have to pay it surely??!

Paulw

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

Does anyone know if someone on the old age pension has to pay the household charge? I have looked at the official website and I cannot see anything to exempt it.
It's hardly right that my grandmother in her late 80's would have to pay it surely??!

Yes, she has to pay. She's not exempt.

alie

How do you pay it? Do you have to go to council offices or by post?

Paulw

alie wrote: »

How do you pay it? Do you have to go to council offices or by post?

https://www.householdcharge.ie/default.aspx

D3PO

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

It's hardly right that my grandmother in her late 80's would have to pay it surely??!

she doesnt have to. she can sell up her mortgage free house and move in with your parents .

get a grip seriously why should your grandmorthers age have any bearing on it. sure lets make pensioners vat exempt whilst your at it :rolleyes:

odds_on

hmmm wrote: »

It's the usual shower who don't have to pay, in particular those who have been provided with free houses in the first place.


The following buildings are not defined as residential property and will not be liable for the charge : Buildings that are …

• Part of the trading stock of a business and from which no income has been derived since the building’s construction, and has never been used as a dwelling.

• vested in certain public authorities (including property where households are purchasing their homes under the Shared Ownership Scheme and where the local authority still retains an ownership stake)

• owned by voluntary housing bodies;

• wholly used as dwellings and liable for commercial rates

An owner of a residential property is exempt from the household charge if , on the liability date, the residential property is:

• Comprised in a discretionary trust;

• Owned by an approved charity;

• Vacated by the owner by reason of long term mental or physical infirmity.

Waivers

The following households will have the charge waived :

1. Those in receipt of mortgage interest supplement - (about 18,000 households)

2. Those in certain unfinished housing estates (Estimated to be less than 1300 estates) : – which will be on a list prescribed by the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government. (List not yet available).

What about holiday homes - apartments, flats, permanently fixed mobile homes?

anuprising

copied from an email doing the rounds

Subject: Household Charge


Have a read of this:

Household Charge - how to LEGALLY avoid paying it

you don't have to legally pay Household Tax!!- You wont get a bill
because the charge is a Statute. People need to understand this: A
Statute is a "legislated rule of society given the force of law by the
consent of the governed."(Blacks Law Dictionary 4th edition). Who are
those it governs? Us, the public.

This household charge is a
Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the
force of law upon you if you consent to it which means that your legally
obliged to pay if you consent or in other words go on to
householdcharge.ie and register. Your silence and inaction will also
give the appearance of consent. If you do not consent, a Statute cannot
affect you in any way whatsoever.

The courts know this and the
last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from
you at every opportunity they can. On the other hand, if you tell them,
they will accept it because they know it is actually true. According to
the above definitions a statutory instrument is a contract. If you
register for this "charge" you are consenting to this statuate ie:
signing the contract. This is why the Government are ASKING the people
to register and not just billing them instead.

what do people think ?

odds_on

And if you believe that --- pigs fly.

Paulw

anuprising wrote: »

Household Charge - how to LEGALLY avoid paying it

what do people think ?

More like how to make a fool of yourself, and end up in court, if you follow that nonsense. It's certainly NOT legal and won't stand up.

TwoShedsJackson

anuprising wrote: »

copied from an email doing the rounds

Subject: Household Charge


Have a read of this:

Household Charge - how to LEGALLY avoid paying it

you don't have to legally pay Household Tax!!- You wont get a bill
because the charge is a Statute. People need to understand this: A
Statute is a "legislated rule of society given the force of law by the
consent of the governed."(Blacks Law Dictionary 4th edition). Who are
those it governs? Us, the public.

This household charge is a
Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the
force of law upon you if you consent to it which means that your legally
obliged to pay if you consent or in other words go on to
householdcharge.ie and register. Your silence and inaction will also
give the appearance of consent. If you do not consent, a Statute cannot
affect you in any way whatsoever.

The courts know this and the
last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from
you at every opportunity they can. On the other hand, if you tell them,
they will accept it because they know it is actually true. According to
the above definitions a statutory instrument is a contract. If you
register for this "charge" you are consenting to this statuate ie:
signing the contract. This is why the Government are ASKING the people
to register and not just billing them instead.

what do people think ?

More Freeman boll0cks - they're great at telling you about ways to get out of speeding fines and the like, only problem is none of that will actually work.