Favourite Mexican fighter????

tryingmybestt

who is your favourite mexican fighter....

not necessarily the best but your favourite....and why did u like them?

mine is Erik 'el terrible' Morales because he was a great boxer but he always chose to go to war....he had a great spirit and a savage overhand right....

chavez is definitely up there too....

keane=cock

morales.

also quite like canelo alverez but i know he is very flawed but he is good to watch.

boxer.fan

Daniel Ponce de Leon.

corny

Marco Antonio Barrera

Couldn't tell you how delighted i was when he roughed up Hamed.

Littlehorny

Chavez was the best but Barrera is my favourite!

Big Ears

Another Morales fan here, my favourite ever fighter.
Think I probably woke the whole street up when he rocked Maidana

I've never been as disappointed from watching boxing as when Pacquiao stopped him in the 10th round of their 2nd fight, my heart sank as Kenny Bayless swarmed in to wave his arms and call the fight off.

walshb

I loved Sal Sanchez. I loved his style, smoothness, calmness inside ther ring no matter what the condition. Never looked troubled, pressured, fazed or tired. Rock solid concentration and lovely movement. And a steel chin too.

Morales too. Loved him. Tough as nails and could box and slug non stop. Great chin as well.

I remember discussing a fantasy fight with him and Wilfredo Gomez. I had Erik all the way, but was in the minority.

Kess73

walshb wrote: »

I loved Sal Sanchez. I loved his style, smoothness, calmness inside ther ring no matter what the condition. Never looked troubled, pressured, fazed or tired. Rock solid concentration and lovely movement. And a steel chin too.

What might have been if not for the motor accident. He died on my birthday and I have often wondered how good would he have bemome had he lived. He was ridiculously taleneted, and was pretty much the complete featherweight when he died at only 23 years of age.


His nephew is currently a tough little fighter with many of his uncle's traits. Nowhere near being in the same league, but a good fighter in his own right.

MBC

Ricardo Lopez.......genius in the ring....could bang with both hands...and for such a small guy had plenty of ko's.

His son Alonso Lopez is currently under the guidance of Beristain.....boxes a bit like his father but doesnt have the ring craft.....yet

tryingmybestt

MBC wrote: »

Ricardo Lopez.......genius in the ring....could bang with both hands...and for such a small guy had plenty of ko's.

His son Alonso Lopez is currently under the guidance of Beristain.....boxes a bit like his father but doesnt have the ring craft.....yet

definitely.....lopez is so underrated cos he's a little guy.....your right he had great power and for me his best asset was how composed he always was, never flustered !

tryingmybestt

Kess73 wrote: »

What might have been if not for the motor accident. He died on my birthday and I have often wondered how good would he have bemome had he lived. He was ridiculously taleneted, and was pretty much the complete featherweight when he died at only 23 years of age.


His nephew is currently a tough little fighter with many of his uncle's traits. Nowhere near being in the same league, but a good fighter in his own right.

sanchez was class....a tragic loss

i loved his fight with azumah nelson and also the one with gomez....what a fighter

megadodge

I loved Barrera. Great action fighter who learned to adapt as he got older.

Chavez was just a machine. Fantastic fighter.

Strangely I never really liked Morales until he was KO'd in 10 by Pacquiao. But as he just sat there completely demoralised and overwhelmed I could feel the tears welling up. I think it was because such an incredibly proud man was reduced to this that really got me. He defined the word 'warrior'.

Loved Ricardo Lopez. Never got the real credit he deserved because of his size, but a beautiful boxer.

Though Salvador Sanchez still receives many plaudits I can't help feel some of it is because of the tragedy of his early death. I'm not so certain he'd have had it all his own way against Pedroza and I strongly believe Arguello would have beaten him if he moved up to super-feather. In a number of his fights he was unimpressive to me. Gomez was virtually blind by the end of their fight and was still giving him problems, Nelson was a complete novice and IMO was leading by the time of the last round stoppage (the judges didn't agree somehow), Pat Cowdell and Patrick Ford were nothing special yet gave him plenty of problems and he won the title from the extremely tough but brutally bad defensively Danny 'Little Red' Lopez who wasn't exactly hard to outbox.

megadodge

keane=cock wrote: »

morales.

also quite like canelo alverez but i know he is very flawed but he is good to watch.

This urban myth needs to be cleaned up.

How is he "very flawed", bearing in mind how young he is?

While he ain't perfect he is a very skilful, strong, hard puncher and amazingly poised

cowzerp

1-Chavez
2-morales
3-Barrera in that order

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

This urban myth needs to be cleaned up.

How is he "very flawed", bearing in mind how young he is?

While he ain't perfect he is a very skilful, strong, hard puncher and amazingly poised

Yes, I'd like that one explained too. What is very flawed? If he is very flawed, then is anyone safe?

honkytonk52

saul "canelo" alvarez...exciting to watch, explosive and has some serious power and the amount of fights he has had at such a young age... by the way he looks more like an Irish person than a mexican with that flaming red hair:D

CHRIS JERICHO

corny wrote: »

Marco Antonio Barrera

Couldn't tell you how delighted i was when he roughed up Hamed.

second that :cool:

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Yes, I'd like that one explained too. What is very flawed? If he is very flawed, then is anyone safe?

His lack of speed ?
He is shockingly slow for a fighter who seems destined to fight at the elite level.

But for a 21 year old fighter who's still very much in his novice stage, he's technically very well rounded.

HovaBaby

Saul Alvarez is my favourite ATM. Exciting to watch, prepared to brawl at any time and prefers that to boxing, ie staying on the outside and using the left jab to score.

keane=cock

alverez is exciting lads and as i said i like him.

as for his flaws, and these are only my opinion. i think he is improving alot on these and i take into account he is very young but that still doesnt change anything. i think he is easy enough to hit. his head movement isnt great but is improving. his foot work is poor at time although im aware thats cos he plants his feet to get his power. as big ears stated he is quite slow. chin was tested by a poor cotto so when he steps up against the top boys we can see how good his chin is.

i just feel he took a lot of punches you would expect a world champion to slip or block.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

His lack of speed ?
He is shockingly slow for a fighter who seems destined to fight at the elite level.

But for a 21 year old fighter who's still very much in his novice stage, he's technically very well rounded.

Very Flawed to me suggests glaring issues, plural. The guy is solid, composed, extremely neat and technically a lovely balanced fighter who throws very good punches, varied and skilled and fluid punches.

Is he perfect? No. Not many, if any fighters can be termed perfect. Perfect is something that is not measurable.

BTW, speed is something I wouldn't associate with Alvarez. But, this wouldn't lead me to label him very flawed.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Very Flawed to me suggests glaring issues, plural. The guy is solid, composed, extremely neat and technically a lovely balanced fighter who throws very good punches, varied and skilled and fluid punches.

Is he perfect? No. Not many fighters can be teremed perfect. Perfect is something that is not measurable.

BTW, speed is something I wouldn't associate with Alvarez. But, this wouldn't lead me to label him very flawed.

I agree, I was just pointing out what the main justification would be for terming him a 'flawed' fighter.

The lack of speed is gonna hurt him against the very top guys though, he's going to have to get a ridiculous sense of timing and ring savy to counteract it.

tryingmybestt

Big Ears wrote: »

I agree, I was just pointing out what the main justification would be for terming him a 'flawed' fighter.

The lack of speed is gonna hurt him against the very top guys though, he's going to have to get a ridiculous sense of timing and ring savy to counteract it.

alvarez has time on his side.....he will develop further.....he needs to be tested so he can really learn......if he fought someone like martinez or evel andy lee it would bring out the best in him....

i think he has the composure and calmness when he fights that he can use timing to offset the lack of A1 speed but in saying that i don't think he's that slow, especially at middlewight where he'll prob be in a year or 2.....

most importantly he has that warrior mentality so i think he's good to watch

megadodge

Alvarez is not "shockingly slow"!

He doesn't have Roy Jones type speed, but that doesn't mean he's slow!

Since we're talking of Mexican boxers, I'd say his speed would be on a par with Barrera and he certainly didn't suffer because of it.

As for the Cotto incident in the first round of their fight, I'll say it again, but if you go back and look at it he was throwing his own left hook when he was caught by Cotto's. This creates the classic 'double-power' effect which is responsible for most highlight reel KO's. Alvarez was definitely shook, yet he didn't go down and as he was recovering his balance he was hit with a flush full-blooded right that knocked his head back. This made it look worse than it was but from the way he immediately was able to slip, slide, bob and weave virtually every single one of the followup punches so comfortably it was pretty obvious to me he wasn't in any major trouble.

In terms of defense, again just cos he's not Floyd Mayweather doesn't mean he's "easy to hit". I think his defense is solid.

I'm really surprised at the amount of criticism he gets, but I suppose that's the way some react when a young boxer is being hyped (which he is). I see regular improvement in him which bodes well for the future.

StevePH

great idea for a thread tryingmybest...in fact, great few threads you've started!

However, its a v tough thread to comment on.

One 'top 10/20' list of favourites could be a list of successful fighters simply born in Mexico.
Another 'top 10/20' list could focus on the fighters associated with possessin the percieved macho/mexican style (which I'm guessin, forgive me if i'm wrong, you mean).

An example of the trouble I'm havin - M Marquez is one of the finest technical boxers to come outta Mexico (and not yet actually mentioned on this thread strangely enough)...but trying to place him and Morales (macho personified) on a list is impossible for me.

For a mix of heart and ability, I'm torn between chavez/barerra.

tryingmybestt

StevePH wrote: »

great idea for a thread tryingmybest...in fact, great few threads you've started!

However, its a v tough thread to comment on.

One 'top 10/20' list of favourites could be a list of successful fighters simply born in Mexico.
Another 'top 10/20' list could focus on the fighters associated with possessin the percieved macho/mexican style (which I'm guessin, forgive me if i'm wrong, you mean).

An example of the trouble I'm havin - M Marquez is one of the finest technical boxers to come outta Mexico (and not yet actually mentioned on this thread strangely enough)...but trying to place him and Morales (macho personified) on a list is impossible for me.

For a mix of heart and ability, I'm torn between chavez/barerra.

cheers.....i mean fighters born in Mexico...

the thread is favourite mexican fighters, not the best......this is probably why marquez hasn't been mentioned.....although he is excellent to watch as he is so skillfull and an excellent counter puncher he doesn't generate the excitement of a chavez, barrera, morales etc.......mayweather fell into this bracket earlier in his career but he became so outspoken and controversial he became a fan favourite...

StevePH

I stand corrected! ....you did say favourite, not best.

cowzerp

Big Ears wrote: »

I agree, I was just pointing out what the main justification would be for terming him a 'flawed' fighter.

The lack of speed is gonna hurt him against the very top guys though, he's going to have to get a ridiculous sense of timing and ring savy to counteract it.

His main flaw is not even his average hand speed, it's his non existent footwork, he's strong, has great skill and combo's but I feel to reach his potential he needs to work on getting on his toes more and try improve his speed, this will not be easy as he's boxing years as it is.

And I'm a fan of his saying this.

keane=cock

walshb wrote: »

Very Flawed to me suggests glaring issues, plural. The guy is solid, composed, extremely neat and technically a lovely balanced fighter who throws very good punches, varied and skilled and fluid punches.

Is he perfect? No. Not many, if any fighters can be termed perfect. Perfect is something that is not measurable.

BTW, speed is something I wouldn't associate with Alvarez. But, this wouldn't lead me to label him very flawed.

very flawed is prob a bit harsh. as i stated i am a fan but i dont think he is near the finished article. i think he is over hyped and thats where i was coming from with the whole very flawed compared to what golden boy are trying to portray him as.

cowzerp wrote: »

His main flaw is not even his average hand speed, it's his non existent footwork, he's strong, has great skill and combo's but I feel to reach his potential he needs to work on getting on his toes more and try improve his speed, this will not be easy as he's boxing years as it is.

And I'm a fan of his saying this.

totally agree.

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but what i liked about him was his attitude and style,
no messin about, no eyeballing, no fuss just fight and keep fighting till some one falls, and he could hit like a mule. nAnd he was game , i think he is very underestimated. when you consider he turned pro and was world champion at 18. He only won 7 of his first 12 fights, so he clearly had to fight his way from nothing. But I just like watching him fight, all action and no posing.