Portrush puzzle

Nolanger

Why are Portrush in Northern Ireland campaigning to hold the British Open golf championship? I though they were part of the United Kingdom not Britain? Is it like the Olympics where they can be part of the Great Britain team? Why isn't that golf championship called the British and Northern Irish open instead?

corktina

British can refer to a resident of the British Isles, I imagine.It does not necessarily refer to residents of Great Britain, which is (like Ireland) a constituent of the the British Isles.

Renaming it the UK&NI open would make sense though.

denishurley

It's The Open Championship and Royal Portrush has held it before, the only course outside of Scotland and England to have hosted it, so I don't see any reason why it shouldn't again

k.p.h

Shur tis deacent course init

Opics

It's called the Open Championship. It drive me nuts when people call it the British Open (and this comes from a Cork man before anyone gets narky at me :pac: )



Also, Portrush has held the Open before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1951_Open_Championship

Back9bandit

Its the Irish Open that they want to hold in Royal Portrush. Cartonhouse is out

mikeunt

Opics wrote: »

It's called the Open Championship. It drive me nuts when people call it the British Open (and this comes from a Cork man before anyone gets narky at me :pac: )



Also, Portrush has held the Open before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1951_Open_Championship

i wouldn't get too hung up on it optics
lots of people call it the british open
each to their own, sure what does it matter when you know what they are talking about

we should have a boards.ie campaign to get the british open to portrush as soon as is possible/feasible

nordydan

corktina wrote: »

Renaming it the UK&NI open would make sense though.

Renaming it the UK&NI open would make no sense

Kid Charlemagne

It would be savage to have a major played on this island!!!
For my money The Open is the greatest of them all.

ThunderCat

mikeunt wrote: »

i wouldn't get too hung up on it optics
lots of people call it the british open
each to their own, sure what does it matter when you know what they are talking about

we should have a boards.ie campaign to get the british open to portrush as soon as is possible/feasible

Yea it tends to be the Americans that refer to it as the British Open as they refer to their own Open as The Open whereas we know it as the US Open. Similarly they call the USPGA the PGA Championship.

Gophur

It's the BRITISH Open. The Brits can call their own championship whatever they like but once outside their borders it should be called The British Open , to differentiate it from the Open championships of other countries.

It's snobbery like that which gets golf a bad name.

Deco1983

Opics wrote: »

It's called the Open Championship. It drive me nuts when people call it the British Open (and this comes from a Cork man before anyone gets narky at me :pac: )



Also, Portrush has held the Open before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1951_Open_Championship

Well said optrics;)

I am pie

Gophur wrote: »

It's the BRITISH Open. The Brits can call their own championship whatever they like but once outside their borders it should be called The British Open , to differentiate it from the Open championships of other countries.

It's snobbery like that which gets golf a bad name.

Just because you want it to be so does not make it so. You don't get to pick the tournament's name. It is the original 'Open' Championship, they can call it whatever the please. The same thing applies to soccer fans referring to the Premiership as the EPL, i have yet to here anyone refer to La Liga as the Spanish Liga, Ligue 1 as the French Ligue 1.

Seems to be born of political anti british sentiment more than anything else, which of course has no place on the Golf Course.

Gophur

No more than the Irish Radio presenters stumbling over the sponsors' names of the English and Scottish leagues, sponsors who have no presence in this country, we are free to refer to the British Open championship in any way we want. Just because some blazers in the R&A get offended is no reason to not refer to the national championship of their country as we do.

Their insistence in calling the championship "The Open", is a two fingered insult to every other country that hosts an "open" championship.

Redzah

I am pie wrote: »

Just because you want it to be so does not make it so. You don't get to pick the tournament's name. It is the original 'Open' Championship, they can call it whatever the please. The same thing applies to soccer fans referring to the Premiership as the EPL, i have yet to here anyone refer to La Liga as the Spanish Liga, Ligue 1 as the French Ligue 1.

Seems to be born of political anti british sentiment more than anything else, which of course has no place on the Golf Course.

I knew a thread like this would always create the anti british sentiment. Personally I have always referred to it as the british open and don't think thats an american thing like a previous poster has suggested. If they changed the name to UK & NI open I would still refer to it as the british open as i don't really care. Its a great tournament so who cares what it's name for marketing purposes is, just call it what u like and get over the whole political and historical element of what it should be called. Just a couple of points to finish;

1. Not sure how strong the arguement of the EPL is as the registered trademark is the 'Premier League'. Not sure on La Liga and Ligue 1 but i'd imagine its the same and is also in their native language so differentiates them from other countries.

2. Now that it looks like the Irish open is on in Portrush, does it not seem contradictory to rename the British Open the UK&NI open and then hold it in the same venue as the IRISH open. Surely if they rename it it should be the UK NI & Irish open or otherwise they should not hold the irish open in Portrush as it is not based in the republic. Again I really don't care about this but just worth mentioning. I think its great that the irish open is going to be in portrush and would be great if the british open was there, who really cares what they or called or what other people want to call them

Deco1983

is that french league not just called 'The league Joe Cole plays in now' anyway?

Us here in Eire should call it the British Open..I agree

Kid Charlemagne

Gophur wrote: »

Their insistence in calling the championship "The Open", is a two fingered insult to every other country that hosts an "open" championship.

ActuallyI think its more to do with the fact that the first national open was in Britain - so at the time there was no need to differentiate it. Subsequently there hasnt been any need to rename it as all the other opens would include the country name (except maybe the Africa open;))

Anyway at the end of the day who gives a stuff if ireland gets to host a major!!!

Deco1983

Redzah wrote: »

I knew a thread like this would always create the anti british sentiment. Personally I have always referred to it as the british open and don't think thats an american thing like a previous poster has suggested. If they changed the name to UK & NI open I would still refer to it as the british open as i don't really care. Its a great tournament so who cares what it's name for marketing purposes is, just call it what u like and get over the whole political and historical element of what it should be called. Just a couple of points to finish;

1. Not sure how strong the arguement of the EPL is as the registered trademark is the 'Premier League'. Not sure on La Liga and Ligue 1 but i'd imagine its the same and is also in their native language so differentiates them from other countries.

2. Now that it looks like the Irish open is on in Portrush, does it not seem contradictory to rename the British Open the UK&NI open and then hold it in the same venue as the IRISH open. Surely if they rename it it should be the UK NI & Irish open or otherwise they should not hold the irish open in Portrush as it is not based in the republic. Again I really don't care about this but just worth mentioning. I think its great that the irish open is going to be in portrush and would be great if the british open was there, who really cares what they or called or what other people want to call them

I thought that the anti-british thing was dead as disco now?..certainly after that charming Queen's visit.

Personally I believe that anti-kerry sentiment should be the future.

denishurley

Kid Charlemagne wrote: »

ActuallyI think its more to do with the fact that the first national open was in Britain - so at the time there was no need to differentiate it. Subsequently there hasnt been any need to rename it as all the other opens would include the country name (except maybe the Africa open;))

Anyway at the end of the day who gives a stuff if ireland gets to host a major!!!

Exactly, The Open Championship was the first - why should they have to rename it just because others copied them? There's an Argentinean football club called Arsenal de Sarandi, who took their name from Arsenal Football Club, I can't imagine that they demanded that the original Arsenal change their name to Arsenal London.

Likewise, the beer festival in Munch each September is Oktoberfest, and there is no need to call it the Munich Oktoberfest or German Oktoberfest (though some people do needlessly call it the 'Munich beer festival')

Deco1983

denishurley wrote: »

Exactly, The Open Championship was the first - why should they have to rename it just because others copied them? There's an Argentinean football club called Arsenal de Sarandi, who took their name from Arsenal Football Club, I can't imagine that they demanded that the original Arsenal change their name to Arsenal London.

Likewise, the beer festival in Munch each September is Oktoberfest, and there is no need to call it the Munich Oktoberfest or German Oktoberfest (though some people do needlessly call it the 'Munich beer festival')

great post

Gophur

denishurley wrote: »

Exactly, The Open Championship was the first - why should they have to rename it just because others copied them? There's an Argentinean football club called Arsenal de Sarandi, who took their name from Arsenal Football Club, I can't imagine that they demanded that the original Arsenal change their name to Arsenal London.

Likewise, the beer festival in Munch each September is Oktoberfest, and there is no need to call it the Munich Oktoberfest or German Oktoberfest (though some people do needlessly call it the 'Munich beer festival')

Go to many countries and you will hear the English team being referred to as Arsenal London.

Similarly, it's amazing how few people realise there is no football club called Glasgow Celtic, or Glasgow Rangers, their proper titles are Celtic FC and Rangers FC. That said, adding Glasgow is not a problem, it helps differentiate them from other clubs with the names in their titles.

Martin567

denishurley wrote: »

Exactly, The Open Championship was the first - why should they have to rename it just because others copied them? There's an Argentinean football club called Arsenal de Sarandi, who took their name from Arsenal Football Club, I can't imagine that they demanded that the original Arsenal change their name to Arsenal London.

Likewise, the beer festival in Munch each September is Oktoberfest, and there is no need to call it the Munich Oktoberfest or German Oktoberfest (though some people do needlessly call it the 'Munich beer festival')

Good post. The correct name is The Open Championship because that's what it has always been since it was first played in 1860.

As far as I know, there is no reason why The Open could not be played in Germany or France for example. It's very unlikely it ever will be but, in theory, it could be if the R&A chose to do so. It's understandable why some people call it the British Open in order to distinguish it from other events. However, it is a little arrogant to correct anyone who calls it by its original and correct name.

stockdam

corktina wrote: »

Renaming it the UK&NI open would make sense though.

Nope - NI is part of the UK. You could call it GB & NI though.

Anyway, Portrush would be a great place to hold the Open/British Open.

denishurley

Gophur wrote: »

Go to many countries and you will hear the English team being referred to as Arsenal London.

Similarly, it's amazing how few people realise there is no football club called Glasgow Celtic, or Glasgow Rangers, their proper titles are Celtic FC and Rangers FC. That said, adding Glasgow is not a problem, it helps differentiate them from other clubs with the names in their titles.

You're right about the 'Arsenal London' thing abroad, 'Everton Liverpool' is another one, and the 'Glasgow' is added to Celtic and Rangers by far too many people who should know better, I've often heard it in news bulletins.

Opics

Being accused of snobbery for calling a tournament by its correct name is a new one

The original open and first ever open will always just be called the Open to me and everyone else that respects history.


Now, I'm off to watch highlights of that Fulham London vs Arsenal London game that I missed a few days ago

Pdoghue

The soccer one that really annoys me is commentators and analysts, especially the RTE ones, referring to Milan and Inter as 'AC' and 'Milan' respectively.

k.p.h

I'm in The Open camp for what it's worth, could have a good trolling session out of this one lads, but in all fairness what dose it matter ...

Back9bandit

The European Tour today confirmed that the 2012 Irish Open will be hosted by Royal Portrush, with the tournament returning to Carton House Hotel and Golf resort in Maynooth, Co Kildare, in 2013.

mikeunt

Opics wrote: »

Being accused of snobbery for calling a tournament by its correct name is a new one

The original open and first ever open will always just be called the Open to me and everyone else that respects history.


Now, I'm off to watch highlights of that Fulham London vs Arsenal London game that I missed a few days ago

What bloody difference does it make what anyone else calls it
dont worry about anyone else optics, just relax a bit man

Opics

mikeunt wrote: »

What bloody difference does it make what anyone else calls it
dont worry about anyone else optics, just relax a bit man

I thought I was very relaxed, even put a joke in at the end

The name's Opics, by the way

denishurley

Opics wrote: »

I thought I was very relaxed, even put a joke in at the end

The name's Opics, by the way

British Opics, no?

Deco1983

denishurley wrote: »

British Opics, no?

Biopics?

mikeunt

Deco1983 wrote: »

Biopics?

Bioptics?

Golfer50

http://www.theopen.com/en/Qualification.aspx

I think this is the reason it is "the Open" rather than "an" open. It is the only truly open event on any tour worlswide.

Here's the application form if you'd like to be the next Rose or Lewis. You have to be scratch or better though!
http://www.opengolf.com/~/media/The%20Open/Files/TheOpen2012EntryForm4.ashx?download=1