Castle Street 1968

Captain Crunch

Hello everyone.

My mother, who sadly died over 30 years ago, was brought up on Castle Street. I was born and live in England and visited Waterford only once in 1968 when I was 8. I have a couple of photos of Castle Street from that time and I'm trying to determine where my mother's old house was.

She lived at number 20 (it was on the left-hand side as you're facing the French Tower) and I can see from Google Street View that all the houses on that side have been demolished and replaced.

I have a couple of photos from when I was there and comparing them to Street View, the only constants are the French Tower and (possibly) the houses on the right-hand side.

1968 view towards the French Tower

1968 view away from the French Tower

French Tower in 1968

Can anyone tell me if the current houses on the right-hand side are the same as those in 1968? Also, if anyone has any photos of Castle Street before redevelopment I would be eternally grateful to see them. I've found a colour photo of unknown date that shows some of the houses bricked up prior to demolition.

If only I knew then that in 40+ years time I'd be researching this. I'd have undertaken a far more extensive photographic survey .

Many thanks in advance.

Kadent

Hey, a friend of mine lives in the newer houses that are roughly on the same spot as in the first photo (on the opposite side of the french tower) Afaik, his family is originally from that area so I will ask if he has any info and photo's and pass them on. I think the houses on the french tower side, the ones surrounded by railings are still there, that's about it though.

wellboytoo

The houses on the right hand side on the way up csatle street are still the same , Galtee terrace and the other name escapes me, number twenty would have been near the top if memory serves me right, what was the Family name?

Captain Crunch

Kaden wrote: »

Hey, a friend of mine lives in the newer houses that are roughly on the same spot as in the first photo (on the opposite side of the french tower) Afaik, his family is originally from that area so I will ask if he has any info and photo's and pass them on. I think the houses on the french tower side, the ones surrounded by railings are still there, that's about it though.

wellboytoo wrote: »

The houses on the right hand side on the way up csatle street are still the same , Galtee terrace and the other name escapes me, number twenty would have been near the top if memory serves me right, what was the Family name?

Thank you Kaden and Wellboy. Now I know the right-hand houses are the same, I should be able to roughly determine whereabouts my mother's old house was .

Thank you for asking your friend for me Kaden. I really appreciate that. My mother's maiden name was Rogers (or possibly Rodgers. I've seen both spellings on documents). I think my grandmother's maiden name may have been Hardy. Unfortunately I know very little about my mother's family. I wish I'd thought to ask her about it in detail while she was alive .

deisedave

I live in the area I will take some photos when I am out later on and put them up if ya want.

Captain Crunch

deisedave wrote: »

I live in the area I will take some photos when I am out later on and put them up if ya want.

Fabulous Dave. Thank you .

I'd be particularly interested in the right-hand houses towards the French Tower as they feature in the first of my 1968 photos. A long shot showing both terraces would be great too.

Many thanks again.

tankbarry

I will get in contact with my mother and ask her. I think 19 or 21 was there address ( I could be wrong ) but will find out for you and give all the information as soon as I can. Her maiden was Walsh.

Captain Crunch

tankbarry wrote: »

I will get in contact with my mother and ask her. I think 19 or 21 was there address ( I could be wrong ) but will find out for you and give all the information as soon as I can. Her maiden was Walsh.

That's great Barry. Thank you . Any information I can gather about who lived at number 20 (particularly around 1968) would be invaluable to me.

A general Castle Street query - Does anyone know when the houses were demolished?

SillyMcCarthy

Captain Crunch wrote: »

Fabulous Dave. Thank you .

I'd be particularly interested in the right-hand houses towards the French Tower as they feature in the first of my 1968 photos. A long shot showing both terraces would be great too.

Many thanks again.

http://maps.google.ie/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

It's there already!

Captain Crunch

SillyMcCarthy wrote: »

http://maps.google.ie/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

It's there already!

D'oh!! Of course it is. Silly me .

Professey Chin

Think that house to the left of the castle in the last pic was my great grandmothers.
Lovely house from a lot of the old pictures Ive seen. And now its a dirty flat square with 2 benches :rolleyes:

billythepig

if you go onto facebook and and post those pics up on the waterford history page im sure theres loads of people would have more info for you http://www.facebook.com/groups/192075347497728/

andrewf10

Also click on http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,660536,612064,7,10 to see how the street plan looks today, then click Historic 25" in the box on the right to see the street plan for around 1900...there should be little or no difference between 1900 and 1968 in Castle Street.

The houses you're interested in were knocked in the mid to late 1980's.

Rainbow_brite

billythepig wrote: »

if you go onto facebook and and post those pics up on the waterford history page im sure theres loads of people would have more info for you http://www.facebook.com/groups/192075347497728/

The group on Facebook has been recently changed to Waterford's History http://www.facebook.com/groups/282266005154698/

If you also do a search for Old Places in Waterford theres a few pics http://www.facebook.com/oldwaterford

Rainbow_brite

Hi I just spoke to the folks and they said Brophy's lived in number 20, my family also lived on Castle Street.

1971

these picture are great, i also stayed in Castile street, my grand mother had the shop at the top of the street any more picture would be great.
The house on the left of the french was ryans the other house was owned by a women the name (gone)

maggiewhite

Captain Crunch wrote: »

Thank you Kaden and Wellboy. Now I know the right-hand houses are the same, I should be able to roughly determine whereabouts my mother's old house was .

Thank you for asking your friend for me Kaden. I really appreciate that. My mother's maiden name was Rogers (or possibly Rodgers. I've seen both spellings on documents). I think my grandmother's maiden name may have been Hardy. Unfortunately I know very little about my mother's family. I wish I'd thought to ask her about it in detail while she was alive .

Hi. Try looking up the 1901-1911 Irish census, you might get info about your mothers
Family.

littlecat

maggiewhite wrote: »

Hi. Try looking up the 1901-1911 Irish census, you might get info about your mothers
Family.

Just had a look at the 1911 census and this is the Hardy family living in no.20 back then:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Waterford_No__3_Urban/Castle_Street/672431/

Didn't have any luck with Rogers but there were some in Barrack Street which is only a stone's throw from Castle Street.

I'm nearly sure there were some old pictures of Castle Street in a supplement of the News & Star (local paper) last week - I'll check and see if I still have it and scan them in. If you think they're any good I'm sure they'd send you on better quality copies.

littlecat

Here you go, taken from the News & Star dated December 27th; the photos were from 1985.

Captain Crunch

billythepig wrote: »

if you go onto facebook and and post those pics up on the waterford history page im sure theres loads of people would have more info for you http://www.facebook.com/groups/192075347497728/

Rainbow_brite wrote: »

The group on Facebook has been recently changed to Waterford's History http://www.facebook.com/groups/282266005154698/

If you also do a search for Old Places in Waterford theres a few pics http://www.facebook.com/oldwaterford

Thank you Billy and Rainbow. I've had a nosey on the Facebook groups ansd there's some really fascinating stuff there.

andrewf10 wrote: »

Also click on http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,660536,612064,7,10 to see how the street plan looks today, then click Historic 25" in the box on the right to see the street plan for around 1900...there should be little or no difference between 1900 and 1968 in Castle Street.

The houses you're interested in were knocked in the mid to late 1980's.

Intteresting maps Andrew - particularly the historic one. Thank you for the link. Such a shame the house numbers aren't annotated though.

Rainbow_brite wrote: »

Hi I just spoke to the folks and they said Brophy's lived in number 20, my family also lived on Castle Street.

Thanks Rainbow. Do you know roughly when this was?

1971 wrote: »

these picture are great, i also stayed in Castile street, my grand mother had the shop at the top of the street any more picture would be great.
The house on the left of the french was ryans the other house was owned by a women the name (gone)

Was it a sweet shop/newsagent? I have fond memories of going to that shop when I was there. There was a particular (pleasant) smell in the shop that always takes me back to Castle Street if I smell it . I think it was a mixture of all the sweets.

maggiewhite wrote: »

Hi. Try looking up the 1901-1911 Irish census, you might get info about your mothers
Family.

littlecat wrote: »

Just had a look at the 1911 census and this is the Hardy family living in no.20 back then:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Waterford_No__3_Urban/Castle_Street/672431/

Thank you Maggie and Cat. I had discovered the 1911 Census some while back but you reminding me has prompted me to revisit it. I *may* have identified my grandmother as Johanna Hardy (aged 8 in 1911). As my mother was born in 1920, she'd have to have been pregnant at about 17 but it's possible. I recall an 'Uncle Denis' from my time in Waterford, and there's a Denis Hardy on the 1911 Census. He was deaf and dumb. Maybe someone remembers that?

littlecat wrote: »

Here you go, taken from the News & Star dated December 27th; the photos were from 1985.

Fabulous pics Cat!!! Thank you so much!!!

Thank you everyone. I'm really grateful to you for taking time to do a little research for me.

Rainbow_brite

Captain Crunch wrote: »

Thanks Rainbow. Do you know roughly when this was?

Sending you a Pm