What is the difference between a prostitute and an escort???

InisMor

Hello,

Not quite sure I'm asking this question in the right place, but it seems like the best place.

If prostitution is illegal, why are "escort" agencies allowed to function?

A few months ago, Law & Order: UK dealt with the issue with a scene where the agency's MD used the old argument of simply denying that sex was a part of the service but if two adults choose to have sex it was nothing to do with him.

Yet, 15 seconds on google shows clearly that sex is the main service offered.

How come some prostitutes are criminals while others are not?

GarIT

You pay an escourt for the time they spend with you and not for what happens during the time.

InisMor

But what about the sex acts that are clearly advertised?

Surely it as simple a loophole as that?

theAwakening

InisMor wrote: »

Hello,

Not quite sure I'm asking this question in the right place, but it seems like the best place.


How come some prostitutes are criminals while others are not?

soliciting/importuning, loitering for the purposes of prostitution, brothel keeping, pimping, living off the earnings of another prostitute, allowing a child to be in a brothel, human trafficking, are the principal offences concerning prostitution in this country.

"prostitution" is not defined within the relevant acts.

mikemac1

You pay for an escorts time and anything that happens is between two consenting adults

You don't pay the escort for sex, you pay for the time

blueythebear

theAwakening wrote: »

soliciting/importuning, loitering for the purposes of prostitution, brothel keeping, pimping, living off the earnings of another prostitute, allowing a child to be in a brothel, human trafficking, are the principal offences concerning prostitution in this country.

"prostitution" is not defined within the relevant acts.

If I recall correctly, soliciting is only illegal in a public place, so discussing the price of "services" in a private house/apartment is legal.

Escort agencies are tougher for the Gardai to prosecute against because of this as it all takes place in a private house/apartment. It is still illegal as above to live off the profits, to keep a brothel, etc

Curiously, it's the case in Ireland that most all acts ancillary to prostitution (except sex for money itself) are illegal. An unusual situation.

To answer the question, in real terms, there is no difference between the two, both sell sex for money. In legal terms, different offences can come into play but all related to the same thing, i.e. sex for money.

A Primal Nut

mikemac1 wrote: »

You pay for an escorts time and anything that happens is between two consenting adults

You don't pay the escort for sex, you pay for the time

Even if the website lists the sex acts the escort is willing to do? And ow muc each costs?

mikemac1

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Even if the website lists the sex acts the escort is willing to do? And ow muc each costs?

I've had a quick look at such an Irish site and it's favourites.
It's not services provided, it's the escorts favourites

And that's worded like that for a reason

I don't know what you're looking at but that's an amateur operation that does not know how to work the law

InisMor

I guess the world is just crazy

theAwakening

I imagine that realistically for a prosecution to succeed in a case of loitering/soliciting (not online) for the purpose of prostitution, an admission by the accused after legal caution would be necessary to the garda at scene, acknowlegding that he was doing x, y, z in order to pay a female for sex. Alternatively, the prostitute would be required to give the evidence against the 'buyer'.

I haven't read the legislation for a few years, but it must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused was, for example, loitering for the purposes of prostitution, rather that loitering 'in circumstances that creates a inference that he is there to commit an offence within the Act.'....as lets say, trespassing is legislated for (...save for the "within the Act" stipulation).

the culture of deference

blueythebear wrote: »

If I recall correctly, soliciting is only illegal in a public place, so discussing the price of "services" in a private house/apartment is legal.

Escort agencies are tougher for the Gardai to prosecute against because of this as it all takes place in a private house/apartment. It is still illegal as above to live off the profits, to keep a brothel, etc

Curiously, it's the case in Ireland that most all acts ancillary to prostitution (except sex for money itself) are illegal. An unusual situation.

To answer the question, in real terms, there is no difference between the two, both sell sex for money. In legal terms, different offences can come into play but all related to the same thing, i.e. sex for money.

What happens if you ask a prostitute or escort to make a porn movie. Is that illegal?

nuac

I am surprised that the guys caught in Limerick did not use the football injury excuse.

I recall a press report of a brothel raid in Dublin. Man found undressed on a couch said he only came in for treatment for a football injury, and he thought the young lady was a physiotherapist. Full marks for presence of mind.

Twiki

The guys in Limerick were done for soliciting - not for availing of 'services'.

Plumpynuter

About 100 euros

coylemj

Prostitute is on the left.

berrypendel

coylemj wrote: »

Prostitute is on the left.

beat me to it

Kevin3

theAwakening wrote: »

I imagine that realistically for a prosecution to succeed in a case of loitering/soliciting (not online) for the purpose of prostitution, an admission by the accused after legal caution would be necessary to the garda at scene, acknowlegding that he was doing x, y, z in order to pay a female for sex. Alternatively, the prostitute would be required to give the evidence against the 'buyer'.

I haven't read the legislation for a few years, but it must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused was, for example, loitering for the purposes of prostitution, rather that loitering 'in circumstances that creates a inference that he is there to commit an offence within the Act.'....as lets say, trespassing is legislated for (...save for the "within the Act" stipulation).

The cases in Limerick involved female gardai in plain clothes who were solicited by the offenders.

Dandelion6

blueythebear wrote: »

Curiously, it's the case in Ireland that most all acts ancillary to prostitution (except sex for money itself) are illegal. An unusual situation.

It's unusual in a general legal context (i.e. criminalising surrounding acts rather than an act itself) but it's not unusual in the sense of being peculiar to Ireland. Many other countries have similar laws.

"Irish" escort sites are usually hosted abroad so Irish law doesn't apply to them.