Rent Relief confused

listermint

Had this in accommodation and property but figured it might be better here.



I was renting a property in january 2010 up to Jan 2011, moved to another location renting from feb until current date.

Does Rent Relief apply still? ive read the scheme changed for 2011 but cannot make heads nor tails of it. I was able to claim for the 2010-2011 but now having moved to new apartment what occurs?

Thanks

relax carry on

listermint wrote: »

Had this in accommodation and property but figured it might be better here.



I was renting a property in january 2010 up to Jan 2011, moved to another location renting from feb until current date.

Does Rent Relief apply still? ive read the scheme changed for 2011 but cannot make heads nor tails of it. I was able to claim for the 2010-2011 but now having moved to new apartment what occurs?

Thanks

As you were renting before 07/12/10 you can claim the relief for 2010 onwards. The new ruling only applies to those who are renting for the very first time after 07/12/10.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/credits/rent-credit.html

listermint

Very much appreciated! Thank you

gerrybbadd

relax carry on wrote: »

As you were renting before 07/12/10 you can claim the relief for 2010 onwards. The new ruling only applies to those who are renting for the very first time after 07/12/10.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/credits/rent-credit.html

The OP can't claim for the new property. Any tenancy taken after 07/12/10 will not qualify.

As per the new legislation:
"The credit for the years 2011 onwards applies to individuals who were renting a propety on 7 December 2010. No credit is due to individuals who began renting after 7 December 2010."

So, you'd have been entitled to claim relief going forward on the property rented prior to 07/12/10 OP, but as you commenced renting new accommodation in Feb 11, you'd not be due the relief going forward I'm afraid

barneystinson

gerrybbadd wrote: »

The OP can't claim for the new property. Any tenancy taken after 07/12/10 will not qualify.

As per the new legislation:
"The credit for the years 2011 onwards applies to individuals who were renting a propety on 7 December 2010. No credit is due to individuals who began renting after 7 December 2010."

So, you'd have been entitled to claim relief going forward on the property rented prior to 07/12/10 OP, but as you commenced renting new accommodation in Feb 11, you'd not be due the relief going forward I'm afraid

Nope, that's wrong. You're over-complicating it! Anyone who began renting prior to 7/12/10 is entitled to the relief until it tapers off to nil (2017 I think). Simple.

Read the passage you quoted above again, it doesn't say anything about new accommodation, or moving etc... just that if you started renting before the relevant date congratulations, you can continue to have the credit, otherwise you missed the boat..!

gerrybbadd

This section shall continue to apply for the year of assessment 2010 and each subsequent year of assessment up to and including the year of assessment 2017 in respect of rent paid by a tenant who on 7 December 2010 is paying rent under a tenancy.

Amendments
Subs (1A) inserted by Finance Act 2011 section 14(b) from 1 January 2011.
When does the allowance for rent paid cease?
(1A) In general, the allowance for rent paid ceases as respects rent paid from 8 December 2010.
For tenancies in existence on 7 December 2010, the relief is phased out as detailed in (1).

It doesn't count for new tenancies. As per the legislation.

barneystinson

gerrybbadd wrote: »

This section shall continue to apply for the year of assessment 2010 and each subsequent year of assessment up to and including the year of assessment 2017 in respect of rent paid by a tenant who on 7 December 2010 is paying rent under a tenancy.

Amendments
Subs (1A) inserted by Finance Act 2011 section 14(b) from 1 January 2011.
When does the allowance for rent paid cease?
(1A) In general, the allowance for rent paid ceases as respects rent paid from 8 December 2010.
For tenancies in existence on 7 December 2010, the relief is phased out as detailed in (1).

It doesn't count for new tenancies. As per the legislation.

I'm not sure what you're quoting there, but it's not the legislation. The legislation says:

"Notwithstanding paragraph (a), this section shall continue to apply for the year of assessment 2010 and each subsequent year of assessment up to and including the year of assessment 2017 in respect of rent paid by a tenant who on 7 December 2010 is paying rent under A tenancy"

It can't really be much clearer. If you were a tenant on 7 December 2010, you are entitled to rent relief until 2017. The legislation doesn't say anything about losing it if you change tenancies.

(By the way, I've spoken to a few people in Revenue who've confirmed what I'm saying is being applied...)

MANUTD99

Hi all,

Sorry to derail tread but I have a question on rent relief too. We have been renting in the same apartment since April 2010. I was on my online revenue account to try and claim rent relief for 2011. It is coming up in grey saying ineligible. Are we unable to claim for rent relief for last year.

I am quite clueless when it comes to this so appreciate some advice please. See attachment also if I'm not making sense

Thanks

relax carry on

MANUTD99 wrote: »

Hi all,

Sorry to derail tread but I have a question on rent relief too. We have been renting in the same apartment since April 2010. I was on my online revenue account to try and claim rent relief for 2011. It is coming up in grey saying ineligible. Are we unable to claim for rent relief for last year.

I am quite clueless when it comes to this so appreciate some advice please. See attachment also if I'm not making sense

Thanks

Were you receiving mortgage interest relief at the same time for another property? That would make it ineligible.

I've never seen the rent tax credit greyed out so I would email your local office to ask is there some sort of block on your account. Always best to check with Revenue direct.

barneystinson

MANUTD99 wrote: »

Hi all,

Sorry to derail tread but I have a question on rent relief too. We have been renting in the same apartment since April 2010. I was on my online revenue account to try and claim rent relief for 2011. It is coming up in grey saying ineligible. Are we unable to claim for rent relief for last year.

I am quite clueless when it comes to this so appreciate some advice please. See attachment also if I'm not making sense

Thanks

Have you claimed it for 2010? If it hadn't been claimed prior to 2011 I'd imagine it won't allow a 1st time claim (kinda what this thread started off being about!).

babo9

MANUTD99 wrote: »

Hi all,

Sorry to derail tread but I have a question on rent relief too. We have been renting in the same apartment since April 2010. I was on my online revenue account to try and claim rent relief for 2011. It is coming up in grey saying ineligible. Are we unable to claim for rent relief for last year.

I am quite clueless when it comes to this so appreciate some advice please. See attachment also if I'm not making sense

Thanks

I'm the same, in my case it was greyed out and it didn't allow me to claim for anything in 2010 online because I wasn't in a taxable job for that year.
The only thing I can assume is we have to claim via post, we were renting prior to Dec 7th 2010 but haven't claimed it yet, and because you have 4 years to claim I don't see why you wouldn't be allowed.

I guess the online system just assumes if you didn't claim for 2010 that you started renting in 2011 and are ineligible.

The form (Rent1) to fill out just asks for dates of tenancy and doesn't ask you to specify a tax year, so I guess revenue take your tenancy dates and work out your relief.

Raladic

I'm in the same situation. I lived in one property since Sept 2010 and then moved in Aug 2011.

Would I now fill in the Rent1 form twice and just put them into the same envelope or what should one do?

relax carry on

Raladic wrote: »

I'm in the same situation. I lived in one property since Sept 2010 and then moved in Aug 2011.

Would I now fill in the Rent1 form twice and just put them into the same envelope or what should one do?

Fill in one form for 2010 and one for 2011 of its greyed out online for you. Post to the PAYE section of your local tax office along with your P60 for 2011.

babo9

Raladic wrote: »

I'm in the same situation. I lived in one property since Sept 2010 and then moved in Aug 2011.

Would I now fill in the Rent1 form twice and just put them into the same envelope or what should one do?

Well as I said, the form didn't ask about a tax year, just dates of tenancy. So I presume tax office does the rest, seems no point filling out two forms to say rent date : Oct 10 - Dec 10, then Jan 11 - Dec 11. If there's no break in tenancy it seems unnecessary.
EDIT: Just reread your post, since in your case you moved house, so I guess you would need two!

We'll see what happens when they get back to me anyway!

Why would you need to send P60, shouldn't they have your details on file from your employer anyway.

relax carry on

babo9 wrote: »

Raladic wrote: »

I'm in the same situation. I lived in one property since Sept 2010 and then moved in Aug 2011.

Would I now fill in the Rent1 form twice and just put them into the same envelope or what should one do?

Well as I said, the form didn't ask about a tax year, just dates of tenancy. So I presume tax office does the rest, seems no point filling out two forms to say rent date : Oct 10 - Dec 10, then Jan 11 - Dec 11. If there's no break in tenancy it seems unnecessary.
EDIT: Just reread your post, since in your case you moved house, so I guess you would need two!

We'll see what happens when they get back to me anyway!

Why would you need to send P60, shouldn't they have your details on file from your employer anyway.

Employers have until mid february to file their end of year returns (p35) with Revenue. Quite a few do not file until March or April leaving Revenue in the dark about your pay and tax. This means that a lot of paper claims sent to Revenue in January or February which refer to the previous year, generate an extra step in the claim which shouldn't really be necessary. Revenue have to contact those claimants by phone, email or post looking for P60s.

babo9

babo9 wrote: »

I'm the same, in my case it was greyed out and it didn't allow me to claim for anything in 2010 online because I wasn't in a taxable job for that year.
The only thing I can assume is we have to claim via post, we were renting prior to Dec 7th 2010 but haven't claimed it yet, and because you have 4 years to claim I don't see why you wouldn't be allowed.

I guess the online system just assumes if you didn't claim for 2010 that you started renting in 2011 and are ineligible.

The form (Rent1) to fill out just asks for dates of tenancy and doesn't ask you to specify a tax year, so I guess revenue take your tenancy dates and work out your relief.

Just an update to this for anyone else in the same situation. I filled out the Rent1 form and sent to my local tax office. About 2 weeks later they emailed me with a P21 which included my rent credits for the previous year and the tax owed to me, they refunded me €320 tax to my bank account.
I can also now claim online for subsequent years.

maupat

Just another quick question on this topic.

I have been renting a room (€400 per month) in a house since the beginning of June 2011. I'm single and have been renting since 2009 but in different properties.

I have filled in the Rent Relief Form (incl. landlord's PPS no. etc). My questions are:
- Am I entitled to a refund for this period (even though it is less than 12 months)?
- and if so, how much will I receive (a ballpark figure will suffice)?

Any info appreciated.

Tks

babo9

maupat wrote: »

Just another quick question on this topic.

I have been renting a room (€400 per month) in a house since the beginning of June 2011. I'm single and have been renting since 2009 but in different properties.

I have filled in the Rent Relief Form (incl. landlord's PPS no. etc). My questions are:
- Am I entitled to a refund for this period (even though it is less than 12 months)?
- and if so, how much will I receive (a ballpark figure will suffice)?

Any info appreciated.

Tks

Ya, it doesn't matter how long you rent for, you are entitled to claim tax refund on all rent payed in the year.
For 2011 you are entitled, provided you already applied for rent relief for a period that you were renting before December 2010. I.e. you claimed rent relief for the various places you rented since 2009.

If you rented from June @ 400 p.m., it means you payed 6 months x 400 = 2400
The maximum amount of rent you can claim relief on in 2011 is 1600.
The relief you get is 20% of that so you will get the full relief of 1600 x 20% = 320 euro.

th This is of course assuming you claimed rent relief for the period before December 2010.
If you haven't, then you can still apply for rent relief for 2009, 2010 etc. and can then apply for 2011.

maupat

babo9 wrote: »

Ya, it doesn't matter how long you rent for, you are entitled to claim tax refund on all rent payed in the year.
For 2011 you are entitled, provided you already applied for rent relief for a period that you were renting before December 2010. I.e. you claimed rent relief for the various places you rented since 2009.

If you rented from June @ 400 p.m., it means you payed 6 months x 400 = 2400
The maximum amount of rent you can claim relief on in 2011 is 1600.
The relief you get is 20% of that so you will get the full relief of 1600 x 20% = 320 euro.

th This is of course assuming you claimed rent relief for the period before December 2010.
If you haven't, then you can still apply for rent relief for 2009, 2010 etc. and can then apply for 2011.

Thanks for all that info babo9 Any idea how long it takes for the claim to be processed?

babo9

maupat wrote: »

Thanks for all that info babo9 Any idea how long it takes for the claim to be processed?

Not sure on this one, took mine about 2 weeks. However, it may depend on how efficient your local tax office is, I'm not sure if the claims are done centrally or locally!

relax carry on

maupat wrote: »

babo9 wrote: »

Ya, it doesn't matter how long you rent for, you are entitled to claim tax refund on all rent payed in the year.
For 2011 you are entitled, provided you already applied for rent relief for a period that you were renting before December 2010. I.e. you claimed rent relief for the various places you rented since 2009.

If you rented from June @ 400 p.m., it means you payed 6 months x 400 = 2400
The maximum amount of rent you can claim relief on in 2011 is 1600.
The relief you get is 20% of that so you will get the full relief of 1600 x 20% = 320 euro.

th This is of course assuming you claimed rent relief for the period before December 2010.
If you haven't, then you can still apply for rent relief for 2009, 2010 etc. and can then apply for 2011.

Thanks for all that info babo9 Any idea how long it takes for the claim to be processed?

Current paper based claims running up to a 6 to 8 week delay depending on what district you are dealt with. Do it online and its complete within 48 hours.

hoff1

I started renting in june 2011 Would i be allowed claim rent relief?

relax carry on

hoff1 wrote: »

I started renting in june 2011 Would i be allowed claim rent relief?

No

thelids

Hi guys,
I've been renting since 2009 - three different apartments (July '09 - August '11, September '11 - June '14, and July '14 to present). I've only been paying tax since March 2014.
Am I eligible to claim rent relief on rent paid since then, given that I was renting on 7th December 2010 (albeit in different accommodation)?
Also, if I can claim the relief, do I need a receipt from all previous landlords to prove I was renting? And on the form would the 'tenancy from and to' dates just be for the current accommodation or for the entire length of all my tenancies?
Hope this makes sense. Thanks for the help!

Raoul

Does anyone have a copy of the PDF of this form so I can send it in to my local tax office? I can't find it online and I wasn't paying tax in 2010.

gerrybbadd

Raoul wrote: »

Does anyone have a copy of the PDF of this form so I can send it in to my local tax office? I can't find it online and I wasn't paying tax in 2010.

Did you claim the credit prior to 2010?

Strange, i found it immediately online, 5th result down in google if you type in rent relief pdf

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjzzNG-srjVAhVIL1AKHeELCmEQFgg_MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.airija.ie%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F01%2FRent-1.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFX6l6-Oha8AEWOcFUNLIT45jXPgw

Raoul

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Did you claim the credit prior to 2010?

Strange, i found it immediately online, 5th result down in google if you type in rent relief pdf

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjzzNG-srjVAhVIL1AKHeELCmEQFgg_MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.airija.ie%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F01%2FRent-1.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFX6l6-Oha8AEWOcFUNLIT45jXPgw

Lovely thanks!

I didn't claim it before then as I wasn't paying tax but I have proof that I was paying rent back then. So just going to send it all in and hope for the best.