Joe McQuillan interview

lala88

Interview: The ultimate gig

31 December 2011


Cavan referee Joe McQuillan
Joe McQuillan has a string of credits to his name as a referee. Taking charge of the 2011 All-Ireland SFC final took the biscuit though.

Against a background of being bombarded by texts and phone calls from around the world, Joe McQuillan's mind in the run up to the 2011 All-Ireland SFC final was a veritable oasis of calm.

Messages of goodwill flooded in from all over Ireland as well as Thailand, the US, Australia, Hong Kong and England ahead of his handling of the hugely hyped Kerry v Dublin decider. However, the Kill Shamrocks clubman dealt with all the hullaballoo like an old pro.

Taking it all in his stride, Joe swatted away any threat of getting immersed in an emotional rollercoaster journey in a studied, calm fashion.

"I had a three week build-up to the final and that helped me to soak up all the hype in a slow, methodical way," the erstwhile club chairman explains.

"Having that length of time to prepare myself was brillant and I ended up going out onto Croke Park for the final with just a few butterflies.

"To be honest, I've often been far more nervous for an all-Ireland Qualifier game which comes on top of you almost before you know it.

"I couldn't believe how little nerves I had for the final. When it's a case of a winner-take-all situation in a big Qualifier match, I often get more nervous."

While there's nothing routine for a GAA referee about taking charge of the biggest sporting event in Ireland in any given year, Joe did have a routine in the 24 hours before the short whistle was sounded at Croker on finals day.

Perhaps it was that routine which helped filter some of his attendant nerves in the 24 hours immediately before the all-Ireland final.

That schedule saw the leading Shamrock and his wife join with his umpires and their partners and other SFC officials - in tandem with the officials in charge of the all-Ireland MFC - at a northside Dublin hotel on the Saturday night prior to the big game.

Breakfast the next morning at 10.30am followed mass and then back to the hotel at 11.15am for a shower. Suited and booted, meeting up with the rest of his party at the hotel reception followed before a taxi to Croker at noon got the ball rolling in a big way.

Reflecting on his stewardship of what will go down in the annals of Gaelic games as one of the most dramatic all-Ireland finals of all time, Joe says taking charge of the 2011 decider made him feel very fortunate and honoured:

"I wouldn't want to take anything away from any of the other top counties but the Kerry-Dublin game was the dream final," the popular sales rep says.

"The history of their clashes is something else, going back to the seventies and eighties. So many older GAA fans remember them so fondly and when they were on top for so many years, it formed a golden era for the GAA.

"The fact too that it was 16 years since Dublin were involved in the senior all-Ireland final only added to the excitement and hype surrounding the game.

"It doesn't ever mean anything to me - in terms of dictating my preparation for a game - which teams are going head to head in what the competition is."

"My preparations for all matches is pretty much the same in that I have the same routine. At this stage, I would know a lot of the players involved.

"Refereeing the all-Ireland was all about getting the head right and keeping the nerves down. It was a big match of course but it still had to be reffed the same as every other game. It's not different in that respect."

To many close to the inner echelons of the GAA and the wider membership of the Association, McQuillan was all but a shoo-in for the 2011 SFC final.

His excellent handling of the SFC quarter-final clash between Dublin and Tyrone cut the odds on him being awarded the final even further.

And then when he was over-looked for the subsequent semi-final matches (he had refereed All-Ireland SFC semis in 2006 and 2008, co-incidentally both featuring Cork v Kerry clashes) the deal was practically sealed as, traditionally, the all-Ireland final referee doesn't officiate at a semi-final played in the same year.

"I knew I wasn't going to be too far anyway," he acknowledges, "and the fact that I didn't get a semi-final was a hint I suppose 'cause they usually use one of the quarter-final referees.

"I felt when I didn't get a semi-final that I was being considered for the final. Once Donegal were beaten I knew I was in with a good chance."

Mention of the aforementioned Dublin v Tyrone quarter-final reminds one of the variety of matches refereed by even the best in the business.

Just 24 hours after taking charge of that match, referee McQuillan found himself taking charge of a Cootehill Celtic v Mullahoran underage match in Cootehill.

Interestingly, he maintains that his understanding and use of the rules of the game can be brought into focus even more at a club game than one played on the biggest stages in the country by the biggest stars in the country.

"I think the first foul that I blew for in the Dublin/Kerry final came after six minutes whereas in an ordintary club game, the frees would come more frequently.

"At intercounty level, fellas can generally take a 'hit' that bit better and they're more inclined to want to break the tackle too and go forward with the ball."

The now 36 year old has amassed a wealth of experience with whistle in hand and he says that he generally knows how a game is going to pan out - in terms of the discipline of the participants - within the first five minutes.

In that space of time, he reckons he'll know whether he's about to have a "dogfight" on his hands or whether the teams genuinely want to play disciplined football.

"I knew after just a few minutes of this year's final that both Kerry and Dublin were going to approach the game in the right way 'cause any foul early on was nothing more than a tug on a jersey but even before the game I reckoned that it was going to be good open game of football.

"I was told that I had been awarded the final on the Tuesday after the second semi-final had been played and I was delighted that it was going to be Kerry and Dublin in the final."

The fact that Joe took charge of the meeting of the Kingdom and the Dubs last September meant that he had reffed four out of Dublin's six SFC matches in 2011. Was that unusual?

"Not really. I'm not that far away from Dublin and Croke Park has had a habit over the last 12 months of appointing referees who live within a certain distance of the venue of the match. You could count on two hands the amount of refs who are appointed for games that are held at venues that are more than 200 miles from their home. You don't have a referee from Ulster now taking charge of a match in Munster. Similarly, for example, you might have had Mick Deegan (Laois) taking charge of a match in Belfast but that hasn't happened in the last year or so."

Needless to day, being the man in the middle for the 2011 All-Ireland SFC final represents the highlight of Joe McQuillan's refereeing career to date.

Over the years he has refereed some of the most high profile and intense matches but they scarcely could have prepared him for the cauldron of noise that filled Croker last September.

"It was a hell of an occasion, a great experience," Joe says of the 2011 blue riband decider. "It went like a dream but went by so quickly it was unreal.

"Before the game, some people were advising me to soak up all the atmosphere and I tried to do that."

And the stand-out moment in this year's all-Ireland final?

"I'd say it would have to be Kevin McManamon's goal at the Hill 16 end of the ground where there was a complete sea of blue.

"McManamon drove at the Kerry defence and finished it well and the goal brought Dublin to within a point of Kerry which was amazing because with six minutes to go in the game, Kerry were in control of the game and seemed to have the game wrapped up."

And the free that gave Stephen Cluxton to win the game for Dublin and write his name into GAA history?

"I had no hesitation in awarding the free. McManamon was caught by the outstretched leg of Barry John Keane. It was a challenge that would have been deemed a foul had it been commited in the defence and I was sure it was a foul and I'm still happy that I made the right call."

For the last 16 years, Joe has made many the correct call in his guise as the 'man-in-black'.

Amazingly despite having refereed Connacht, Leinster and Munster SFC finals, he has yet to take charge of an Ulster SFC final.

Betcha, sooner rather than later, that'll be set right and we'll see him and his umpires (Tommy O'Reilly, Ciaran Brady, TP Gray, Jimmy Galligan) do their thing. That is unless the Breffni blues are part of the picture of course!

Just want to see what people think of this. Also i have a few things i want to ask

First, at one point he says the stand-out moment was Dublin's goal, surely a ref is meant to be impartial or at least try and be?

Also now may times has a ref of an All Ireland given an interview like that so soon after? Anyone got a link to a ref interview after a Kerry win for example?

DH2K9

He's entitled to an opinion 3 months after the final. Stop making a big deal out of a referee saying a stand out moment of a game.

lala88

Like i said surely a ref is meant to be impartial are they not?

DH2K9

lala88 wrote: »

Like i said surely a ref is meant to be impartial are they not?

Yes during the game. But after they can say what they like. I'm sure he wasn't fist pumping the air when Dublin scored the goal and he said it was a stand out moment. That is all

keane2097

Nothing untoward or concerning in the slightest in that. The goal was clearly the most dramatic moment in the game, there are no positive or negative connotations with the phrase "standout", it just means the moment that sticks in the memory. It's going to be a toss up between the goal and the free at the end.

corcaigh07

i think he was fairly harsh on Kerry that day, and its not often I say that!

Also, will never forget McQuillan arsing up the under-21 all-ireland in 2006, that one hurt.

rpurfield

no problem with the man having a moment in the game that sticks in the memory.when i was refereeing id often see a score or block or tackle and say to meself what a great bit of skill doesnt mean im verging towards that team and it would be the same with mcquillan in this instance.

Gophur

Funny he doesn't mention allowing the Dubs waste most of the so-called "injury time".

Joe McQ will never have to put his hand in his pocket in a Dubs pub ever again.

It was telling he reffed 4 out of the 6 matches the Dubs played.

dcr22B

Gophur wrote: »

Funny he doesn't mention allowing the Dubs waste most of the so-called "injury time".

Joe McQ will never have to put his hand in his pocket in a Dubs pub ever again.

It was telling he reffed 4 out of the 6 matches the Dubs played.

Yawn

YaWN

YAWN

It has been pointed out on so many different occasions that it took Bryan Sheehan longer to take a free in the 2nd half than it took Cluxton to kick the winner.

Old news, move on!

DDC1990

JMQ is entitled to his opinion, but saying he wasn't very nervous before the AIF makes me a little annoyed.

Maybe he should hve been a bit more nervous, and it might have improved his performance on the day.

Anyway, its probably just the mention of the AIf that pisses me off rather then what he said specifically.

Just on the topic of JMQ, surely a rule should be brought in against a referee refereeing 66% of a Teams Championship games. At that stage you have become used to players personalities and their traits, and begin to become a bit more lenient with them.
When the margins of a game are so small, these little things begin to matter.

The ramblings of a sad Kerryman, with no Sam to comfort him over the winter

keane2097

DDC1990 wrote: »

JMQ is entitled to his opinion, but saying he wasn't very nervous before the AIF makes me a little annoyed.

Maybe he should hve been a bit more nervous, and it might have improved his performance on the day.

Anyway, its probably just the mention of the AIf that pisses me off rather then what he said specifically.

Just on the topic of JMQ, surely a rule should be brought in against a referee refereeing 66% of a Teams Championship games. At that stage you have become used to players personalities and their traits, and begin to become a bit more lenient with them.
When the margins of a game are so small, these little things begin to matter.

The ramblings of a sad Kerryman, with no Sam to comfort him over the winter

I can understand where you're coming from obv but I think you're being a bit unfair.

On the nerves topic, a person can't really control whether they're nervous or not, on the topic of reffing multiple games for the same team it can be a negative as well as a positive - I remember playing a county league game a few years ago where the ref came into the dressing room before the game to enquire what number one of the lads would be wearing "cos sure I know I'm going to end up booking you anyway"!

Gophur

dcr22B wrote: »

..............
Old news, move on!

The truth hurts, eh?

2011 will be remembered by many for Joe McQ's help!

dcr22B

Gophur wrote: »

2011 will be remembered by many for the O'Sullivan's help!

Changed that for you

Gophur

Keep trying, lads. The Dubz will have to win an All Ireland on their own before they get the requisite credit.

Gophur

Keep trying, lads. The Dubz will have to win an All Ireland on their own before they get the requisite credit.

Het-Field

Gophur wrote: »

The truth hurts, eh?

2011 will be remembered by many for Joe McQ's help!

I suppose if you are angry it is better to ignore facts, and direct comparisons, and focus on your anti-Dublin perspective. Dublin were deserving champions in 2011, I defy you to tell me otherwise.

lala88

Show us a link of another ref givining an interview like that after an All Ireland

Gophur

Rumour has it next campaign will see both sides allowed to field 16 players.


Dubs' opponents will then be allowed field their own refs to help them!

DH2K9

lala88 wrote: »

Show us a link of another ref givining an interview like that after an All Ireland

Trying to make an innocent article into a controversial article and failing miserably...

ciarriaithuaidh

I was going to write a longer post but its 2012 now so best to let it lie and move on. It didn't exactly help assuage the anger hearing McQuillan wax lyrical about McMenamins goal and the "sea of blue" though.

dcr22B

Gophur wrote: »

Keep trying, lads. The Dubz will have to win an All Ireland on their own before they get the requisite credit.

Credit schmedit :rolleyes:

Sam is resting Liffey side and that is the most important. The irony of your post is that all the begrudgery about how we won the final makes it all the more special in our eyes and of course the manner in how we won it.

As the previous poster says, it's 2012. The Dubs are on their perch to be knocked off so let battle commence

Gophur

dcr22B wrote: »

Credit schmedit :rolleyes:

Sam is resting Liffey side and that is the most important. The irony of your post is that all the begrudgery about how we won the final makes it all the more special in our eyes and of course the manner in how we won it.

..........

And you do not spot the irony in all of your post?

dcr22B wrote: »

............ The Dubs are on their perch to be knocked off so let battle commence

True. Apparently Pat Gilroy has called Joe McQuillan back into the squad for 2012, he did such a good job for them last year.

dcr22B

Gophur wrote: »

And you do not spot the irony in all of your post?

Why do you think I posted it that way

Lemlin

I may be from the same county as him and was proud to see a Cavan man ref the All-Ireland final but I have to admit that I find McQuillan a very poor referee.

Without even commenting on the All-Ireland final itself, I find him very biased in club games here in Cavan, even when I'm a neutral.

He's not fit to lace the boots of Brian Crowe IMO.

hisholinessnb

What a pathetic thread full of sour grapes and begrudgery. So much for never hearing the end of it from the Dubs!! :rolleyes:

blackbelt

I think what Kerry fans and other fans in general who want to keep scapegoating the referee thus trying to discredit Dublins win need to take a long hard look at themselves and/or their team.The referee officiated the match while the players were responsible for their own performance and as a team.With the exception of a couple of mistakes which is quite normal, McQuillan did a fine job of the final.He didn't cost Kerry the win, Dublin edged the game.

And he gave an interview and it was published.So what?Dublin v Kerry is always the dream fixture to play in,referee or watch.Of course Hoganstand.com is going to look to conduct interviews around Christmas because they need the material to fill up their website before the season starts. He merely gave his response to a question that was asked and was impartial throughout.

As for the issue on refereeing 4 of Dublins 6 games, thats something that can be discussed on a different thread if we need to.

Lustrum

DDC1990 wrote: »

JMQ is entitled to his opinion, but saying he wasn't very nervous before the AIF makes me a little annoyed...

I can't speak from a ref's point of view, but as a player I've only ever played in an all-Ireland final once, at college level, and I can distinctly remember it being the only time I was ever not nervous before a game, precisely because it was the end of the road so to speak. Even in cup games in January where everyone is just blowing off the cobwebs I'd be nervous before a game.

As for his most memorable moment in the game, I think he's quite entitled to say that, and there's probably few that would disagree with him.

keane2097

blackbelt wrote: »

I think what Kerry fans and other fans in general who want to keep scapegoating the referee thus trying to discredit Dublins win need to take a long hard look at themselves and/or their team.The referee officiated the match while the players were responsible for their own performance and as a team.With the exception of a couple of mistakes which is quite normal, McQuillan did a fine job of the final.He didn't cost Kerry the win, Dublin edged the game.

He either had an large role in the result or he didn't - there's no "keep scapegoating" or "still going on about it". What happened in the game happened, expecting what people will say when it's brought up to change over time is foolish.

It's like saying "people still going on about Cluxton's free kick are just being dumb fanboys" if someone praises the kick when the match is brought up next year.

The fact of the matter is that several key moments at the end of the 2011 AIF went in Dublin's favour, and I'm afraid you're going to have to live with the suggestion that if McMenamon had been whistled for overcarrying or had more injury time been played then the result would likely have been different, because on the balance of probability it probably would.

These things are part and parcel of big games, people never forget these crucial issues and moments, and what else are they likely to discuss in a thread in which Joe McQuillan talks about his performance in the All Ireland Final of 2011 than Joe McQuillan's performance in the All Ireland Final of 2011?

blackbelt wrote: »

And he gave an interview and it was published.So what?Dublin v Kerry is always the dream fixture to play in,referee or watch.Of course Hoganstand.com is going to look to conduct interviews around Christmas because they need the material to fill up their website before the season starts. He merely gave his response to a question that was asked and was impartial throughout.

It's great to hear from ref's like this, and brilliant to hear his thoughts on key moments in the game, e.g. his thoughts on the free he gave at the end.

Picking his standout moment is completely fine as well, one can remain impartial without being completely oblivious to the context and importance of what's going on around him.

blackbelt wrote: »

As for the issue on refereeing 4 of Dublins 6 games, thats something that can be discussed on a different thread if we need to.

I really don't understand peoples' issue with this at all.

Lemlin

blackbelt wrote: »

I think what Kerry fans and other fans in general who want to keep scapegoating the referee thus trying to discredit Dublins win need to take a long hard look at themselves and/or their team.The referee officiated the match while the players were responsible for their own performance and as a team.With the exception of a couple of mistakes which is quite normal, McQuillan did a fine job of the final.He didn't cost Kerry the win, Dublin edged the game.

And he gave an interview and it was published.So what?Dublin v Kerry is always the dream fixture to play in,referee or watch.Of course Hoganstand.com is going to look to conduct interviews around Christmas because they need the material to fill up their website before the season starts. He merely gave his response to a question that was asked and was impartial throughout.

As for the issue on refereeing 4 of Dublins 6 games, thats something that can be discussed on a different thread if we need to.

How did you find his performance in the Tyrone Dublin game? To me, he's a poor referee. I'm not going to get drawn into commenting on the final but I think it says something about the standard of refereeing in the country when McQuillan got the top job in town last year.

dcr22B

Lemlin wrote: »

How did you find his performance in the Tyrone Dublin game?

Honestly, I thought he rode us that evening to try and keep the game tight.

I wasn't confident at all when I heard he was reffing the final.

dcr22B

keane2097 wrote: »

The fact of the matter is that several key moments at the end of the 2011 AIF went in Dublin's favour, and I'm afraid you're going to have to live with the suggestion that if McMenamon had been whistled for overcarrying or had more injury time been played then the result would likely have been different, because on the balance of probability it probably would.

No more so than Tadhg Kennelly could easily have walked in the opening seconds of the 2009 final. Decisions go against all teams. Christ, we could write a book on it!

The injury time argument is a moot one as I alluded to earlier in the thread with Bryan Sheehan taking longer to kick a free than Cluxton at one point in the 2nd half.

blackbelt

Lemlin wrote: »

How did you find his performance in the Tyrone Dublin game? To me, he's a poor referee. I'm not going to get drawn into commenting on the final but I think it says something about the standard of refereeing in the country when McQuillan got the top job in town last year.

Frustrating to be honest.

He blew up for everything and anything Tyrone could get but I don't have a problem with this if it is being applied equally which it wasn't.Dublin were more than 7 points better on the day and I was slightly aggrieved that we didn't hammer them by more given the context of how Dublin played and dominated the game and also given the context of the winning scoreline back in 2008.

Speaking to some referees at the sevens competition in Ratoath,the opinion was that he was pencilled in to do the final from the start of the year.

keane2097

dcr22B wrote: »

No more so than Tadhg Kennelly could easily have walked in the opening seconds of the 2009 final. Decisions go against all teams. Christ, we could write a book on it!

Proves my point exactly. You're talking about a refereeing decision that would have wildly altered the face of the game, one that will always be mentioned when the 2009 final is mentioned, and one that Cork fans will continue to feel aggrieved over.

It's foolish to expect them to forget about it. Fine, the game itself stops being talked about eventually, but they're right to argue about it when the game is actually being discussed. Doesn't make them bitter, doesn't mean they need to "take a look at themselves" (:rolleyes:), just means they have a grievance with a major decision that would have tipped the scales very much in their favour.

dcr22B wrote: »

The injury time argument is a moot one as I alluded to earlier in the thread with Bryan Sheehan taking longer to kick a free than Cluxton at one point in the 2nd half.

Injury time is meant to insure a game lasts an appropriate length of time, not to balance out the amount of time wasting each side does. I fail to see any way you can justify less time being added on by highlighting an even longer period that the ball was out of play for.

blackbelt

keane2097 wrote: »

He either had an large role in the result or he didn't - there's no "keep scapegoating" or "still going on about it". What happened in the game happened, expecting what people will say when it's brought up to change over time is foolish.

Ok well he didn't have a large role in the result other than record it on his notebook.The issue of time has been argued to death with the fact that both teams took their time in taking free kicks in the second half.Kerry lost because they made crucial mistakes in the last few minutes and Dublin punished them for it.They also outplayed them for the last 10 minutes when it looked like the game was going away from them.

keane2097 wrote: »

The fact of the matter is that several key moments at the end of the 2011 AIF went in Dublin's favour, and I'm afraid you're going to have to live with the suggestion that if McMenamon had been whistled for overcarrying or had more injury time been played then the result would likely have been different, because on the balance of probability it probably would.

What do you base probability on?Can you give us the probability statistics that if an extra minute of injury time was played that Kerry would have got an equalising point or that if Kerrys first point of the game didn't happen because of a throw ball that the game wouldn't have transpired the way it did? How about the probability figures that if the referee applied the rules of the game such as a penalty for a pickup in the large rectangle by a player that Dublin wouldn't have won by more or the game transpire differently. We will never know.

The game went the way it did and Dublin deserved the win.Had Kerry been the better team,they would have pulled away even further in those last 10 minutes or put the game out of sight even earlier but they didn't.

Het-Field

keane2097 wrote: »

You are talking about chalk and cheese here. The impact



Injury time is meant to insure a game lasts an appropriate length of time, not to balance out the amount of time wasting each side does. I fail to see any way you can justify less time being added on by highlighting an even longer period that the ball was out of play for.

The game clock continues to run during stoppages prior to a player taking on a dead ball. The fact that the ball is not in play is irrelevant to timing in GAA. Hence, the decision to call time on the game after the two mins expired was totally legitimate.

Furthermore, Dublin have a track record of getting Cluxton to take their 45's and long range frees. It was always going to take a few extra seconds for Cluxton to get to the ball than if McManamon was charged with taking the free. It was not cynical by Dublin, nor could it be said that it was a unique experience (Cluxton took his first Championship 45'/long range free in June 2010).

Alaska1

Have to say this thread made me laugh, really it did.

It doesn't matter what is said or who says what, Dublin are ALL-IRELAND CHAMPIONS !!!!

Sam is residing by the liffey, no matter what is said that cannot be changed.

dcr22B

keane2097 wrote: »

I fail to see any way you can justify less time being added on by highlighting an even longer period that the ball was out of play for.

Simple, it's quite conceivable that the referee said to allow at least 2 minutes to be added on at the end of the game and as he turned to go back down the pitch, he looked at his watch and decided time was up. The fact that it took a minute for Cluxton to kick the winner is one that is going to divide people but c'est la vie!

keane2097

blackbelt wrote: »

Ok well he didn't have a large role in the result other than record it on his notebook.The issue of time has been argued to death with the fact that both teams took their time in taking free kicks in the second half.Kerry lost because they made crucial mistakes in the last few minutes and Dublin punished them for it.They also outplayed them for the last 10 minutes when it looked like the game was going away from them.

What do you base probability on?Can you give us the probability statistics that if an extra minute of injury time was played that Kerry would have got an equalising point or that if Kerrys first point of the game didn't happen because of a throw ball that the game wouldn't have transpired the way it did? How about the probability figures that if the referee applied the rules of the game such as a penalty for a pickup in the large rectangle by a player that Dublin wouldn't have won by more or the game transpire differently. We will never know.

The game went the way it did and Dublin deserved the win.Had Kerry been the better team,they would have pulled away even further in those last 10 minutes or put the game out of sight even earlier but they didn't.

I suspect you're being disingenuous in your implied need of a mathematical equation to explain to you how the probability of Dublin winning would have been drastically reduced if Dublin's goal had been disallowed. I suggest emailing Paddy Power and asking them if their in-play odds on a Dublin win shifted at all when the goal went in - I hesitate to use the rolleyes but really, it's kiddy stuff to just blithely refuse to acknowledge that a major decision by the referee at a crucial point in a game can decide the game's outcome to all intents and purposes.

The suggestion that a mistake in the first minute of a game routinely has a similar impact on outcomes as a decision in the closing minutes of a game is one that I'm not going to waste time dispelling - you know it's a dumb argument yourself and are being petty.

Het-Field wrote: »

The game clock continues to run during stoppages prior to a player taking on a dead ball. The fact that the ball is not in play is irrelevant to timing in GAA. Hence, the decision to call time on the game after the two mins expired was totally legitimate.

Furthermore, Dublin have a track record of getting Cluxton to take their 45's and long range frees. It was always going to take a few extra seconds for Cluxton to get to the ball than if McManamon was charged with taking the free. It was not cynical by Dublin, nor could it be said that it was a unique experience (Cluxton took his first Championship 45'/long range free in June 2010).

I wouldn't for a second suggest Cluxton or Dublin did anything wrong in the build up to the free. He's entitled to come up and take it no question whatsoever. He actually did drag his arse as he was coming up to take it, but I wouldn't have much problem with that and thought it was a serious testament to his composure and confidence, as it seemed to me he was so sure of himself scoring that he was looking to squeeze as many seconds as he could out of Kerry's response time - seriously icy blood!

As far as what is and is considered time to be added on in GAA, I looked through the GAA site a while back looking for a definite answer but couldn't find any - can you point me in the right direction?

Lemlin

blackbelt wrote: »

Frustrating to be honest.

He blew up for everything and anything Tyrone could get but I don't have a problem with this if it is being applied equally which it wasn't.Dublin were more than 7 points better on the day and I was slightly aggrieved that we didn't hammer them by more given the context of how Dublin played and dominated the game and also given the context of the winning scoreline back in 2008.

Speaking to some referees at the sevens competition in Ratoath,the opinion was that he was pencilled in to do the final from the start of the year.

My point exactly re favouring one team.

No matter when I see the man referee he seems to be hugely biased towards one team. Even in local club matches, he's hugely one-sided. One team gets rode whereas he gives the other all the breaks.

dcr22B

Lemlin wrote: »

My point exactly re favouring one team.

No matter when I see the man referee he seems to be hugely biased towards one team. Even in local club matches, he's hugely one-sided. One team gets rode whereas he gives the other all the breaks.

Kerry must have thought having watched the Tyrone game that they were going to get the bias on the day so

Het-Field

keane2097 wrote: »

I wouldn't for a second suggest Cluxton or Dublin did anything wrong in the build up to the free. He's entitled to come up and take it no question whatsoever. He actually did drag his arse as he was coming up to take it, but I wouldn't have much problem with that and thought it was a serious testament to his composure and confidence, as it seemed to me he was so sure of himself scoring that he was looking to squeeze as many seconds as he could out of Kerry's response time - seriously icy blood!

As far as what is and is considered time to be added on in GAA, I looked through the GAA site a while back looking for a definite answer but couldn't find any - can you point me in the right direction?

I cannot say for definate vis-a-vis GAA, but as a qualified umpire in another sport, I have always been under the impression that "added time" was to mitigate for long stoppages such as injuries and substitutions. The technical nuances of the relevant game (i.e. dead ball situations) are not factored in, and the time taken to discharge an obligation vis-a-vis a dead ball situation is irrelevant. It is considered part and parcel of the game, and we can anticipate a great deal of dead ball situations, which are not considered for "added time""

I simply cannot imagine that GAA is any different, and I draw that conclusion from watching Gaelic Games for many years.

Gophur

Going back to the "stoppage" time. McQ allowed Cluxton use up almost half the allotted time with the free kick, time wasting that should have been caught by the referee and added on at the end. McQ couldn't blow the whistle quick enough once the clock hit 37 minutes.

Funny to see those crowing most about having Sam in Dublin are the ones taking greatest offence at the referee's failings being pointed out. The end, not the means, eh?

Het-Field

Gophur wrote: »

Going back to the "stoppage" time. McQ allowed Cluxton use up almost half the allotted time with the free kick, time wasting that should have been caught by the referee and added on at the end. McQ couldn't blow the whistle quick enough once the clock hit 37 minutes.

Funny to see those crowing most about having Sam in Dublin are the ones taking greatest offence at the referee's failings being pointed out. The end, not the means, eh?

Honestly, get smart or butt out.

The choice is yours.

dcr22B

Gophur wrote: »

Funny to see those crowing most about having Sam in Dublin are the ones taking greatest offence at the referee's failings being pointed out. The end, not the means, eh?

The means was quite good as well.

Beating Kerry with pretty much the final kick of the game when 9 minutes earlier looking dead and buried.

Them's be good means if you ask me.

For the record, if Cluxton was deemed to be time wasting by the referee, McQuillan was well within his rights to throw the ball up. He chose not to as Cluxton wasn't taking the piss based on previous frees that had been awarded during the game.

How many different ways do you need to be told the same thing?

hisholinessnb

Gophur wrote: »

Going back to the "stoppage" time. McQ allowed Cluxton use up almost half the allotted time with the free kick, time wasting that should have been caught by the referee and added on at the end. McQ couldn't blow the whistle quick enough once the clock hit 37 minutes.

Funny to see those crowing most about having Sam in Dublin are the ones taking greatest offence at the referee's failings being pointed out. The end, not the means, eh?

The semi final V Cork the year before saw most of the added time going by without the ball in play while we were one point down, yet we weren't pissing and moaning about it 4 months later on the scale ye are.

Sour grapes plain and simple.

All the anti Dublin brigade were saying before the All Ireland final that if Dublin won we would never hear the end of it. Who would have thought it would be ye lot still going on about it !

keane2097

hisholinessnb wrote: »

The semi final V Cork the year before saw most of the added time going by without the ball in play while we were one point down, yet we weren't pissing and moaning about it 4 months later on the scale ye are.

Sour grapes plain and simple.

All the anti Dublin brigade were saying before the All Ireland final that if Dublin won we would never hear the end of it. Who would have thought it would be ye lot still going on about it !

Reductio ad ridiculum is all your arguments ever seem to be.

There's a valid debate going on here, this "anti Dublin brigade" is destructive to it and adds nothing.

Het-feld has said it well above:

Het-Field wrote: »

Honestly, get smart or butt out.

The choice is yours.

hisholinessnb

keane2097 wrote: »

Reductio ad ridiculum is all your arguments ever seem to be.

There's a valid debate going on here, this "anti Dublin brigade" is destructive to it and adds nothing.

Het-feld has said it well above:

Ah come on now, aren't you the guy who accused me of "stalking" you, or something like that? And you jump in with this? I've no intentions on getting into of your little spats Keane2097 so I'll justify my point and leave it at that, you can have the last word.

My point is perfectly valid, a high number of games see most of the additional time go by with the ball out of play for one reason or another. Yet only when it actually benefits Dublin is there uproar. There's never an outcry when Dublin are narrowly beaten yet the additional time passes by with the ball mostly out of play, as did in the game I mentioned.
So from that I can only assume its anti Dublin sour grapes.

keane2097

hisholinessnb wrote: »

My point is perfectly valid, a high number of games see most of the additional time go by with the ball out of play for one reason or another. Yet only when it actually benefits Dublin do I notice the uproar. There's never an outcry when Dublin are narrowly beaten yet the additional time passes by with the ball mostly out of play, as did in the game I mentioned.
So from that I can only assume its anti Dublin sour grapes.

FYP.

That should alert you to the logical fallacy that makes the rest of your post(s) nonsense.

hisholinessnb

hisholinessnb wrote: »

I've no intentions on getting into of your little spats Keane2097 so I'll justify my point and leave it at that, you can have the last word.

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