Saorview on This tv?

jrochie

Hi guys,

Girlfriend bought me this for xmas, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Toshiba-22DV501B-22-inch-Widescreen-Built/dp/B0056Z770A

Nice little TV but I cant pick up the Saorview channels on it. I set it up and ran the initial installation and it picked up all the channels, but when I turn any of them on I only get sound. I get a format error on screen. Does this mean I cant actually pick up the saorview channels or is there a work around?

Thanks

coylemj

It's a Freeview but not Freeview HD box which means that the tuner built into the TV can't decode the Saorview signal, you'll need a set top box.

watty

Or get it exchanged. It's not suitable for Ireland as Analogue closes 24th October 2012
10 months..

coylemj

watty wrote: »

Or get it exchanged. It's not suitable for Ireland as Analogue closes 24th October 2012
10 months..

Watty, it was bought from the UK with no claims being made as to compatabilty with Saorview. I think the law would say that the buyer took a chance and got it wrong i.e. the retailer would not be obliged under consumer law to accept it back and anyway it will cost an arm and a leg to send a 22" TV back to the UK, even if they were prepared to accept it.

OP, I'm assuming the Amazon link you gave us was intended to imply that it was bought from them?

watty

I wasn't assuming it was bought from UK.

This is why it's best to buy TVs and Set boxes that have Saorview certification even if something seems enticing.

winston_1

I fail to understand why so many people in Ireland buy UK sets.

They have never been compatible. In the analogue days no VHF tuner, and now in the digital days no MPEG 4 decoder.

Could someone explain please.

Minstrel27

winston_1 wrote: »

I fail to understand why so many people in Ireland buy UK sets.

They have never been compatible. In the analogue days no VHF tuner, and now in the digital days no MPEG 4 decoder.

Could someone explain please.

There are plenty of television sets in the UK capable of displaying Saorview channels. If someone is buying then they should be looking for a television that will display Freeview HD channels.

winston_1

Minstrel27 wrote: »

There are plenty of television sets in the UK capable of displaying Saorview channels. If someone is buying then they should be looking for a television that will display Freeview HD channels.

Yeah, but they are still mostly not compatible.
Channels in the 800's, clocks stuck on GMT all year round, and no EBU teletext are common problems.

My comment still stands.

I fail to understand why so many people in Ireland buy UK sets.

ThePower11

winston_1 wrote: »

Yeah, but they are still mostly not compatible.
Channels in the 800's, clocks stuck on GMT all year round, and no EBU teletext are common problems.

My comment still stands.

I fail to understand why so many people in Ireland buy UK sets.

Maybe because they are a lot cheaper.

watty

French TVs used to not to work, TNT-HD models partially work
German ones would have had no sound. Now some models work
US & Japanese domestic Market Analogue sets never worked. Digital ones won't.

There is no reason why UK sets should be compatible now, they usually were not for Analogue.

There are five major Digital standards for Terrestrial, DVB-T is one of the five.

Then for DVB-T you have MPEG2, MPEG4 and DVB-T2 variations (The MPEG4 sets do MPEG2 and the DVB-T2 sets DVB-T). Then options of MHEG5, MHP and HbbTV.

The UK are the ONLY people in the world with proprietary secret extensions to DVB-T and DVB-T2. The D-Book defining Freeview, "Freeview HD", Freeview +, "Freeview+ HD"

The proprietary extensions the UK uses for Free to Air Satellite (DVB-S and DVB-S2) Freesat are also secret.

Sky is proprietary and secret additions to DVB-S and DVB-2. Their GUI is "Open TV" rather than MHEG, and it's closed and very private! Their encryption and EPG is essentially secret.

We are using an open standard extension to DVB-T used by quite a few countries, Nordig http://www.saortv.info/about/nordig/
Also the MHEG5 we use is part of Freeview and Freesat, but a public royalty free standard used by many countries. http://www.saortv.info/about/mheg5/

Almost everything is a lot more expensive here, not just TVs. There are a number of different reasons for it. As it has always been for the last 90 years if you want to directly import electrical stuff on mains or that uses Broadcasts you need to know exactly what you need. That is harder today than ever as equipment is poorly described.

STB

winston_1 wrote: »

Yeah, but they are still mostly not compatible.
Channels in the 800's, clocks stuck on GMT all year round, and no EBU teletext are common problems.

My comment still stands.

I fail to understand why so many people in Ireland buy UK sets.

Most TVs these days are Pan European and many of the Freeview only Tvs have MPEG4 processors to process MPEG2 streams. Of course thats a spec check before buying! Samsung, Lg and Sony can be trusted and have the requisite software to allow changes you have indicated as problems.

Well the LCN problem is a thing of the past as most of the main manufacturers allow LCN repositioning anyhow.

EBU isnt a major issue as MHEG5 engine is present for Text.

GMT is easily offset in menu options also.

Having said that for normal punters who want a plug n play, this aint a viable route to take, as they wont have that knowledge and shouldnt need to if the stocking policies by chains are right.

watty

LG, Samsung and Sony do excellent 100% compatible Certified TVs

Only buy these models of LG, Samsung and Sony
http://www.saorview.ie/product/sony/
http://www.saorview.ie/product/lg/
http://www.saorview.ie/product/samsung/

All products
http://www.saorview.ie/products-retailers/saorview-approved-product-listings/

winston_1

STB wrote: »

Most TVs these days are Pan European and many of the Freeview only Tvs have MPEG4 processors to process MPEG2 streams. Of course thats a spec check before buying! Samsung, Lg and Sony can be trusted and have the requisite software to allow changes you have indicated as problems.

Well the LCN problem is a thing of the past as most of the main manufacturers allow LCN repositioning anyhow.

EBU isnt a major issue as MHEG5 engine is present for Text.

GMT is easily offset in menu options also.

Many TVs in the UK don't have MPEG 4 including the one the OPs girlfriend bought.

LCN repositioning from the 800's is rare.

Not all Irish broadcasters use MHEG 5.

Often the time cannot be changed.

watty

The EBU Teletext will likely end in 2013. All Irish Broadcasters are likely to use MHEG5, also it's NOT just for replacing text services. Unlike EBU Teletext it's a part of the system too.

winston_1

watty wrote: »

The EBU Teletext will likely end in 2013. All Irish Broadcasters are likely to use MHEG5, also it's NOT just for replacing text services. Unlike EBU Teletext it's a part of the system too.

That may be so. But in the meantime EBU teletext is required. Also I believe the Saorview spec asks for both MHEG and EBU text.

STB

winston_1 wrote: »

1. Many TVs in the UK don't have MPEG 4 including the one the OPs girlfriend bought.

2. LCN repositioning from the 800's is rare.

3. Not all Irish broadcasters use MHEG 5.

4. Often the time cannot be changed.

1. What I said was the major manufacturers in Sony, Samsung and Sony have for a long time (3 years) been packaging MPEG4 AVC L4.1 chips for their Freeview SD products with full service types defined, not just 0x01. Quite obviously shipping such a higher level processor is because they are shipped with various firmware options being Pan European models and may have not just Freeview but also TDT and TNT HD certification. In most cases usage is open through profile setup.

2. LCN renumbering is standard in said TVs. It is a requirement in some Pan European contries. LCN ON/OFF is even included as an option on Freesat boxes these days!

3. After 2012 EBU for teletext will most likely be redundant. My Samsung TV (not approved) delivers subtitling currently broadcast which are most certainly not dvb.

4. GMT offset is included in Pan European shipped TVs for a reason. I am not talking about B specific models.

alibabba

Anyone know if this tv is saorview ok... Its in the post at the moment

Samsung LE32D403 32 inch LCD TV

JonathonS

Have a look here:
http://www.saorview.ie/equipment/saorview-approved-product-listings/