Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds or Beady Eye

karaokeman

Thought I would set up this thread like the one there about Oasis and Blur.

I think the individual threads for the two acts are dead a long time now so this thread will be good too for any further discussion of NGHFB and Beady Eye.

I know most people here are going to say NGHFB.

Temaz

Noel without doubt. Superior album and Im enjoying bootlegs of his tour more than the boots I have of Beady Eye.

Hannibal

it's like comparing champagne to vinegar. I haven't listened to Beady Eye since about March yet Noel's still sounds excellent and has many classics on it. Seen him in the Olympia and in NYC and he's 10/10 live, Beady Eye are a one trick pony. Noel's album outsold the Beady Eye within 3 weeks despite the Beady Eye album having nearly an 8 month headstart says it all really

JerryHandbag

Noel by a country mile, but then everyone knew that anyway. The younger brother is pushing 40 and still acting like a child.

wonderboysam

I think most people (me included) had their mines made up before either released a track, I like beady eyes stuff but I get a vibe of them trying force a certain genre whilst noels stuff just seems natural

karaokeman

Great to see so much support for Noel.

I'll let everyone know in case there was any question, yes I also prefer Noel and did vote for him when I started this thread.

Having said that I do still enjoy the Beady Eye album and will be looking forward to their next album and tour.

Hope a lot of the voters here are going to the O2 show, I know I will:D.

Handsome Bob

Noel and the Birds by a mile, their album is brilliant with AKA What A Life and Everybody's On The Run being particular highlights for me.

I just can't get into Beady Eye, very dated sound. That could be forgivable though if their songs were any use.

HandsomeDivil

wonderboysam wrote: »

I think most people (me included) had their mines made up before either released a track, I like beady eyes stuff but I get a vibe of them trying force a certain genre whilst noels stuff just seems natural

Agree with that, a lot of Beady Eye's stuff seems to be "yeah we're men and we like drinking" etc.. Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds are a lot easier on the ear.

I think both bands are a reflection of each brother's influence on Oasis.

ricero

i actually think beady eyes album is a good record a solid 7 or 8 out of 10. i find parts of noels album boring and some songs need the classic liam gallagher gnarl in some of the songs but it is still a superior album to beady eyes but not by a country mile

Oasis_Dublin

Who voted for the Beady Eyes? Some interesting stuff (Four Letter Word, Wigwam) but not consistently as good as God.

tedobrien98

1 person thinks that Liam is bigger than jesus.....

wonderboysam

wonderboysam wrote: »

I think most people (me included) had their mines made up before either released a track, I like beady eyes stuff but I get a vibe of them trying force a certain genre whilst noels stuff just seems natural

OT here but I'm unable to edit my post, just want to clarify I meant minds!! It must've been the dictionary on my itouch that chose mines -_-

karaokeman

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

Who voted for the Beady Eyes? Some interesting stuff (Four Letter Word, Wigwam) but not consistently as good as God.

Don't look at the poll but it seems a second person has voted for Beady Eye.

Tbf I still miss Oasis while I prefer Noel's band to Liam's.

I'm guessing that however long the band are split it will determine which of the two brothers will come closest to matching Oasis' success.

Noel admittedly won't sell 70 million records again with the High Flying Birds but I know for sure Beady Eye don't have a chance.

noel did what i expected and made a very good album, Beady eye surprised me and didnt disgrace themselves. Cant wait to hear noels new one this year

Hannibal

Deleted User wrote: »

noel did what i expected and made a very good album, Beady eye surprised me and didnt disgrace themselves. Cant wait to hear noels new one this year

Freaky Teeth sounds great, the versions of IIHAG and TDOYAM sound interesting aswell. I hope he makes use of ASGOG, it's too good a song to be a bonus itunes track considering the 18min version that was recorded at the DOYS soundcheck was epic

Temaz

Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds' will perform new single 'If I Had A Gun…' on this week's Graham Norton Show, which will air Friday 6th January at 22:35 on BBC1 and iPlayer (UK only). Noel will also join Graham on the couch for a chat. Also set to appear on the show are Doctor Who actress Karen Gillan and actor Gerard Butler.

http://www.noelgallagher.com/#news/noel-on-uk-radio-and-tv-this-week

karaokeman

I still prefer Noel but I can't wait for Beady Eye's next album.

It will be really cool to hear them recording with Bonehead again:D.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Undoubtedly Noel of course, I hope he goes on now to have a long and prosperous solo career a la Paul Weller and not think of reforming Oasis anytime soon.

Beady Eye was better than I expected, enjoyed the album and seeing them live. But like someone else here mentioned I quickly moved on from them and haven't been back listening to the album in months.

megtyler

Noel. he has reached his songwriting maturity long ago.
Liam is just starting out.

Hannibal

megtyler wrote: »

Noel. he has reached his songwriting maturity long ago.
Liam is just starting out.

Liam first put a song out 12 years ago!! he's a long way from starting out.

Noel's album is fast approaching the sales figures of Standing on the Shoulder of Giants and Dig Out Your Soul in the UK charts at the moment, he's sold 3 times as many albums as Beady Eye already and going into arenas whereas Beady Eye are still and will be staying in theatres

megtyler

yes but he was never a main songwriter. he wasn't even expected to write. this is the first time he is taking it on as a leader of the band.

don't get me wrong. I like them both. Oasis would have never been as great as they were without Liam AND Noel.

Noel, i think, will always be the better songwriter but Liam will certainly improve.

karaokeman

Dotsey wrote: »

Beady Eye are still and will be staying in theatres

Tbf as much as I would love to see Beady Eye playing the Olympia again, I doubt it will happen on their next tour.

They are doing Oasis songs for their next tour, I reckon that will help them to sell out arenas, especially if Liam does Noel's songs he sang lead vocals on.

phurryphace

all sounds derivative of the Beatles to me

Hannibal

karaokeman wrote: »

Tbf as much as I would love to see Beady Eye playing the Olympia again, I doubt it will happen on their next tour.

They are doing Oasis songs for their next tour, I reckon that will help them to sell out arenas, especially if Liam does Noel's songs he sang lead vocals on.

I dont think Beady Eye doing an Oasis set would sell out the 14500 capacity O2 or even close to it to be honest, their limit for Ireland will only ever be theatres. Gem doing lead guitar on Supersonic, Live Forever or Champagne Supernova just doesn't have the appeal that Noel would.

Maybe if Liam sang songs that Noel sang.. that could be a niche market for him, he could start with the Importance of Being Idle.

phurryphace wrote: »

all sounds derivative of the Beatles to me

Oasis never sounded like the Beatles, only tabloid and lazy music reviewers said they did.

karaokeman

Dotsey wrote: »

Maybe if Liam sang songs that Noel sang.. that could be a niche market for him, he could start with the Importance of Being Idle.

Nah I would prefer Don't Look Back In Anger, maybe The Masterplan too, bit of Half The World Away too.

Liam is the better singer I don't know why he doesn't do any of Noel's sung songs. Sure Noel has done plenty of Liam's, Wonderwall, (Its Good) To Be Free, Live Forever, the list goes on.

Dotsey wrote: »

Oasis never sounded like the Beatles, only tabloid and lazy music reviewers said they did.

I couldn't have said it better myself:cool:

wonderboysam

Dotsey wrote: »

Oasis never sounded like the Beatles, only tabloid and lazy music reviewers said they did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgwGhPIYyZo

this aside I do agree with you :pac:

Hannibal

megtyler wrote: »

yes but he was never a main songwriter. he wasn't even expected to write. this is the first time he is taking it on as a leader of the band.

don't get me wrong. I like them both. Oasis would have never been as great as they were without Liam AND Noel.

Noel, i think, will always be the better songwriter but Liam will certainly improve.

Who said Liam was the leader of Beady Eye? In my opinion their three best songs were Four Letter Word, Millionaire and The Roller, the first written by Andy Bell and the latter by Gem

karaokeman wrote: »

Nah I would prefer Don't Look Back In Anger, maybe The Masterplan too, bit of Half The World Away too.

Liam is the better singer I don't know why he doesn't do any of Noel's sung songs. Sure Noel has done plenty of Liam's, Wonderwall, (Its Good) To Be Free, Live Forever, the list goes on.

I was joking about Liam singing TIOBI.

For me Noel is the better singer but Liam has the better voice. Noel knows how to use his range whereas Liam's aggressive singing style sees him struggle and as tours go on he seems to be singing through his nose more often plus on the Beady Eye album there's big hints of autotune being used on Liam.

Oasis_Dublin

wonderboysam wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgwGhPIYyZo

this aside I do agree with you :pac:

That was post-Beatles actually! :P

karaokeman

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

wonderboysam wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgwGhPIYyZo

this aside I do agree with you :pac:

That was post-Beatles actually! :P

AND the two intros are NOT the same.

For Imagine its C, Cmaj7 and F.

To play DLBIA you would do C, G, Am, E7, F and G.

wonderboysam

karaokeman wrote: »

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

wonderboysam wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgwGhPIYyZo

this aside I do agree with you :pac:

That was post-Beatles actually! :P

AND the two intros are NOT the same.

For Imagine its C, Cmaj7 and F.

To play DLBIA you would do C, G, Am, E7, F and G.

ah jesus that's nitpicking at it's finest!

rcaz

wonderboysam wrote: »

ah jesus that's nitpicking at it's finest!

If we're going to nitpick, it's E minor 7

Temaz

Noel Gallagher will be presented with the Godlike Genius Award at this year's NME Awards.

As announced by Zane Lowe on his BBC Radio 1 show earlier this evening (January 23), the singer, guitar-player and frontman of Noel Gallagher’s High Flying Birds will pick up the gong at the ceremony on February 29 at London's O2 Academy Brixton. Of his win, Gallagher has said:

I would like to thank NME for bestowing upon me such a great accolade. I have dreamt of this moment since I was 43 years old. I accept that I am now a genius, just like God.

www.nme.com

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karaokeman wrote: »

It will be really cool to hear them recording with Bonehead again:D.

Yea, Bonehead is exactly what's missing alright :rolleyes:

Ridiculous. Liam should be trying to move away from this Oasis-lite or Oasis minus Noel image, whatever you want to call it and push his new band as a new band in it's own right. Bringing Bonehead back into the fold 13 years later is doing precisely the opposite. And what the hell is he even going to do with them, what's Bonehead bringing to the table?? Looks like a desperation move, terrible idea.

Forget The Stone Roses reunion this year, here come The Rain.

leggit

Chevolution

Noel is better by far but i still have a little respect for liam

karaokeman

nm wrote: »

Yea, Bonehead is exactly what's missing alright :rolleyes:

Ridiculous. Liam should be trying to move away from this Oasis-lite or Oasis minus Noel image, whatever you want to call it and push his new band as a new band in it's own right. Bringing Bonehead back into the fold 13 years later is doing precisely the opposite. And what the hell is he even going to do with them, what's Bonehead bringing to the table?? Looks like a desperation move, terrible idea.

Forget The Stone Roses reunion this year, here come The Rain.

Have you ever thought that making Beady Eye a new band in its own right was never Liam's intention at all?

I mean even he has said he thinks about Oasis every single day. Add that to the fact Liam said he would be up for an Oasis reunion in 2015.

Liam is jealous of Noel's success and the fact that the vast majority of songs he became famous for singing were written by Noel. And I don't blame him, I would feel the same if all my fans knew that and preferred my main songwriter just for that reason.

Liam has said Beady Eye WILL play Oasis songs on their next tour. He is desperate because he knows they will never match the success of Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds unless they go back and revisit the Oasis days.

Sure they didn't even sell out some theatres in the UK playing only Beady Eye songs. Its kind of obvious unless they blend it with a bit of the old Oasis by means of songs and by having Bonehead record some tracks with them again.

It is true Oasis only would have existed with both Noel AND Liam but the fact remains Noel penned the main body of their career's work and they couldn't have sold out arenas and stadiums without those songs.

As much as we are all sick of hearing Wonderwall being played for the 100000000000th time that is the bottom line and why Liam can never compete with Noel.

Temaz

karaokeman wrote: »

Have you ever thought that making Beady Eye a new band in its own right was never Liam's intention at all?

I mean even he has said he thinks about Oasis every single day. Add that to the fact Liam said he would be up for an Oasis reunion in 2015.

Liam is jealous of Noel's success and the fact that the vast majority of songs he became famous for singing were written by Noel. And I don't blame him, I would feel the same if all my fans knew that and preferred my main songwriter just for that reason.

Liam has said Beady Eye WILL play Oasis songs on their next tour. He is desperate because he knows they will never match the success of Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds unless they go back and revisit the Oasis days.

Sure they didn't even sell out some theatres in the UK playing only Beady Eye songs. Its kind of obvious unless they blend it with a bit of the old Oasis by means of songs and by having Bonehead record some tracks with them again.

It is true Oasis only would have existed with both Noel AND Liam but the fact remains Noel penned the main body of their career's work and they couldn't have sold out arenas and stadiums without those songs.

As much as we are all sick of hearing Wonderwall being played for the 100000000000th time that is the bottom line and why Liam can never compete with Noel.

Beady Eye will only play the Oasis songs they wrote. It will be good to hear 'Songbird' 'Turn Up The Sun' etc I might actually go see them this time around.

karaokeman

Temaz wrote: »

Beady Eye will only play the Oasis songs they wrote. It will be good to hear 'Songbird' 'Turn Up The Sun' etc I might actually go see them this time around.

Well not according to this interview will Beady Eye only play the Oasis songs they wrote -> http://www.gigwise.com/news/69091/Liam-Gallagher-I-Might-Play-Oasis-Songs-With-Beady-Eye

Here is the main section of the article where Liam talks about wanting to play Noel's songs. He also hints at playing Noel's songs again because apparently he thinks Noel singing the songs Liam did lead vocals on is like Elvis' main songwriter (Mark James) singing Elvis songs himself;

Liam also insisted that he has the right to perform Oasis track despite most of them being written by brother Noel.

He added: "If I wanted to play them we'd play them, no one's stopping us from playing them, I feel they're my songs as much as Noel's, regardless of whether I wrote them."

"It's like Elvis, you'd hate the guy who wrote Elvis' songs to be singing them wouldn't you? You wouldn't know what the **** was going on. If I want to play them, I'll play them."

Point is Beady Eye went on tour without playing Oasis songs just so they could prove they had the b***s to do it. That's typical Liam Gallagher for ya:pac:

Temaz

karaokeman wrote: »

Well not according to this interview will Beady Eye only play the Oasis songs they wrote -> http://www.gigwise.com/news/69091/Liam-Gallagher-I-Might-Play-Oasis-Songs-With-Beady-Eye

Here is the main section of the article where Liam talks about wanting to play Noel's songs. He also hints at playing Noel's songs again because apparently he thinks Noel singing the songs Liam did lead vocals on is like Elvis' main songwriter (Mark James) singing Elvis songs himself;

Liam also insisted that he has the right to perform Oasis track despite most of them being written by brother Noel.

He added: "If I wanted to play them we'd play them, no one's stopping us from playing them, I feel they're my songs as much as Noel's, regardless of whether I wrote them."

"It's like Elvis, you'd hate the guy who wrote Elvis' songs to be singing them wouldn't you? You wouldn't know what the **** was going on. If I want to play them, I'll play them."

Point is Beady Eye went on tour without playing Oasis songs just so they could prove they had the b***s to do it. That's typical Liam Gallagher for ya:pac:

Id bet my life savings it will only be Oasis songs that Beady Eye members wrote will be played.

Hannibal

Temaz wrote: »

Id bet my life savings it will only be Oasis songs that Beady Eye members wrote will be played.

i'd agree with that, I'd be surprised if they play Live Forever or anything like that. Turn Up the Sun and Born on a Different Cloud are probably their two highlights

As regards Bonehead, what's the point of him? Gem and Andy are by far better guitar players all Bonehead will do is belt out a few of his infamous barre chords.

Temaz

NME/Uncut are releasing a magazine fully dedicated to Noel Gallagher, has his best interviews down through the years, a guide to 'Lost Tracks'. I think it's out next week in the UK so we should have it in our newsagents a few days after.

Really want a copy, would Easons hold one back for me????

karaokeman

Temaz wrote: »

NME/Uncut are releasing a magazine fully dedicated to Noel Gallagher, has his best interviews down through the years, a guide to 'Lost Tracks'. I think it's out next week in the UK so we should have it in our newsagents a few days after.

Really want a copy, would Easons hold one back for me????

I'll make sure they hold one back for me.

Which Easons are you going to try?

Temaz

karaokeman wrote: »

I'll make sure they hold one back for me.

Which Easons are you going to try?

Im in Cork, we have two Easons so I should get one!

cloptrop

nm wrote: »

Yea, Bonehead is exactly what's missing alright :rolleyes:

Ridiculous. Liam should be trying to move away from this Oasis-lite or Oasis minus Noel image, whatever you want to call it and push his new band as a new band in it's own right. Bringing Bonehead back into the fold 13 years later is doing precisely the opposite. And what the hell is he even going to do with them, what's Bonehead bringing to the table?? Looks like a desperation move, terrible idea.

Forget The Stone Roses reunion this year, here come The Rain.

Maybe they will come out with a peach of an album like they used to when bonehead was in the band. Noel gets the credit for everything they wrote but come on , look at the two albums they both did by themselves , beady eyes one was closer to morning glory than the two.

Hannibal

cloptrop wrote: »

Maybe they will come out with a peach of an album like they used to when bonehead was in the band. Noel gets the credit for everything they wrote but come on , look at the two albums they both did by themselves , beady eyes one was closer to morning glory than the two.

Bonehead had no creative input of any kind into the music, it's like saying bring back Guigsy. Sure I've seen Liam slag off Bonehead's guitar playing and lack of songwriting ability in interviews

Noel gets the credit because he wrote everything and rightly so. The Beady Eye album might sound more like Whats the Story but that doesn't mean it's any good sure Ocean Colour Scene have released albums that sound more like it than Noel's album did. If you judge the two albums by chart success, album sales, reviews, tour success etc.. you will see that Noel is a mile ahead

cloptrop

Dotsey wrote: »

Bonehead had no creative input of any kind into the music, it's like saying bring back Guigsy. Sure I've seen Liam slag off Bonehead's guitar playing and lack of songwriting ability in interviews

Noel gets the credit because he wrote everything and rightly so. The Beady Eye album might sound more like Whats the Story but that doesn't mean it's any good sure Ocean Colour Scene have released albums that sound more like it than Noel's album did. If you judge the two albums by chart success, album sales, reviews, tour success etc.. you will see that Noel is a mile ahead

Never judge albums on chart success , sales or reviews
The media like Noel more , he will get better reviews
high flying birds got more coverage he will get better sales
Noel seems to be the brains of oasis , he will get better sales
Liam comes off as a sap he will get worse sales.
Justin bieber got better sales than both of them.
Ocean colour scene were a smashing band.
Im sure bonehead had more input than what gallaghers let on.

Dr.Winston O'Boogie

karaokeman wrote: »

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

wonderboysam wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgwGhPIYyZo

this aside I do agree with you :pac:

That was post-Beatles actually! :P

AND the two intros are NOT the same.

For Imagine its C, Cmaj7 and F.

To play DLBIA you would do C, G, Am, E7, F and G.

The 2 intros ARE the same. Both are C and then F on the piano, the rest of DLBIA is as you describe above in the verses. Noel plays C and F on the guitar at the start when doing it acoustic over the years too (although he changed the key towards the end of Oasis). He was quite clearly been tongue in cheek with the Imagine piano riff to open the song.

Hannibal

cloptrop wrote: »

Never judge albums on chart success , sales or reviews
The media like Noel more , he will get better reviews
high flying birds got more coverage he will get better sales
Noel seems to be the brains of oasis , he will get better sales
Liam comes off as a sap he will get worse sales.
Justin bieber got better sales than both of them.
Ocean colour scene were a smashing band.
Im sure bonehead had more input than what gallaghers let on.

basically Beady Eye's album is still 1995, Gem and Andy Bell both wrote music around that time for similar sounding bands. I don't feel Liam's songwriting has really progressed it's all still fairly simplistic, his best song by far is still Born on a Different Cloud nothing he has done comes close to that

niallo24 wrote: »

The 2 intros ARE the same. Both are C and then F on the piano, the rest of DLBIA is as you describe above in the verses. Noel plays C and F on the guitar at the start when doing it acoustic over the years too (although he changed the key towards the end of Oasis). He was quite clearly been tongue in cheek with the Imagine piano riff to open the song.

It's always been obvious the start of DLBIA was tongue in cheek, same with the outro to She's Electric

Live4Ever

Did not see this! Havent read through all the comments, but I will, and I'll give my two cents.

BTW I voted for *drum roll*..........



Please don't hurt me :)

ricero

i voted beady eye purely by the fact that they surprised me how good the album was i thought it would be a failure but the album was mint. not a bad song on the album imo. brilliant live aswell the olympia gig blew me away.

while noels debut album was also a cracker i expected more of him and the latter half of the album becomes a bit to boring for me i do usually skip tracks 7,8 and 9 as i find them very boring. still looking forward to noel live next month

beady eye just shade it cant wait for their follow up album.

karaokeman

Live4Ever wrote: »

Did not see this! Havent read through all the comments, but I will, and I'll give my two cents.

BTW I voted for *drum roll*..........



Please don't hurt me :)

Nah its cool Live4Ever, you made some good points in the NGHFB thread. While I prefer Noel I definitely agree that Beady Eye weren't given a fair shot by the press. Real problem I think is the anticipation for Noel doing a solo project before Oasis split was too high, everyone was talking about him doing a round of solo gigs and a solo album. No one ever took note of what Liam, Gem and Andy would be doing and they did do a fair shot with that album especially with songs like Millionaire, The Morning Son, Kill For A Dream and The Beat Goes On.

I'm sort of at a crossroads about Beady Eye's future however. I do think they deserve better recognition but at the same time I don't want them to be much bigger than they are already. Main reason being I'm hoping they will still do theatres on their next tour as I missed the Olympia show. Then again I have heard of albums that got good reviews but didn't have mainstream success.