40,000 emigrated in just the four first months of this year

darkman2

CSO: Over 40,000 emigrated in first four months of 2011

29/12/2011 - 08:19:48
The number of Irish people emigrating to Britain, Canada, New Zealand, the US and Australia increased over the last year.

Figures from the Central Statistics Office show over 40,000 Irish citizens emigrated during the first four months of 2011, over 13,000 more than in the same period in 2010.

Britain and Australia remain the most popular landing points for Irish emigrants with the numbers seeking work in Britain last year rising significantly.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cso-over-40000-emigrated-in-first-four-months-of-2011-533844.html#ixzz1hw9LVZvO

40,000 in just 4 months? That's 120,000 a year. Or to put it in stark terms that would be around 4% of the population...in just 1 year.


And given these are mostly the youngest and brightest it does not bode well for the future of the economy.

Taxi Drivers

darkman2 wrote: »

40,000 in just 4 months? That's 120,000 a year. Or to put it in stark terms that would be around 4% of the population...in just 1 year.


And given these are mostly the youngest and brightest it does not bode well for the future of the economy.

I think you better check your sources. This is complete and utter rubbish. The CSO's statistics on migration on the 15th of September. These provide an estimate of 40,200 Irish nationals emigrating in the FULL YEAR to April 2011. There were also 17,100 Irish national immigrants for a net difference of 24,100 - less than 0.5% of the population.

But I'd be careful of using these estimates as they do not include the results of this year's Census and the CSO have to put nearly 100,000 people into the
results.

The Preliminary population estimate from the 2011 Census was 4.58 million, a difference of 97,000 persons with these estimates. It is planned to publish revised population estimates for the years 2007 to 2011 (i.e. the period over which this differential arose) next year once a thorough analysis at a detailed level of the differences with the final Census results has been completed.

It could be that they are over-estimating current emigration (or that they under-estimated immigration in the period following the last census in 2006).

darkman2

Figures from the Central Statistics Office show over 40,000 Irish citizens emigrated during the first four months of 2011

This to me suggests 40,000 in 4 months


Would not surprise me tbh. I live in Dublin. I know lots of people who have already left and even more going in the next couple of months. If they can't get back into work in Dublin then imagine what it is like in the rest of the country.

Taxi Drivers

darkman2 wrote: »

This to me suggests 40,000 in 4 months

Would not surprise me tbh. I live in Dublin. I know lots of people who have already left and even more going in the next couple of months. If they can't get back into work in Dublin then imagine what it is like in the rest of the country.

You are reading a rubbish article from someone who clearly can't read the figures. Here is the CSO report from last September. Go to Table 3 on Page 4.

Here is the first sentence from the report to further emphasize things:

Emigration among Irish nationals continued to increase sharply from 27,700 to 40,200 over the 12 months to April 2011 while emigration among non-Irish persons fell for the second year in a row.

This is from the CSO and to me it indicates that 40,200 Irish nationals emigrated in the FULL YEAR to April 2011.

Taxi Drivers

Try the link in the OP again. They've changed the story completely!!

mikom

Vote yes for jobs.

n97 mini

And 25,000 immigrants arrived. Have they net been listening to the news...

Voltex

Economic migrants are transient...
Im worried by these figures...simply because I may very well be one of them. Im well qualified and earn a good salary here currently...but the prospects for me and my very young family are probably going to be a lot better in Canada. I have already been informed my salary expectations in Canada could be in real terms, net of tax, 20-30% more in Canada than they are here.

n97 mini

So, if you went to Canada would you view yourself as a transient economic migrant?

NIMAN

Even if we were still in the 'boom' a certain number of people would have left anyway. Irish people always emigrated. Some to work, others to see the world, take a year out etc.

Don't be totally fooled by a hyped up news story.

Sand

As Brian Lenihan Snr might have said, "We can't all live on a small island."

Some lucky few will volunteer to feck off abroad and earn vital skills and income that they will send back to us to tax. Then at some point in the future, they will return with their wealth and buy an overpriced shoebox so we can milk them again. Dont feel sorry for them, they are the lucky ones.

/Government PR

MadsL

I was there for 15 years before emigrating to US. Does that make me transient??

Voltex

n97 mini wrote: »

So, if you went to Canada would you view yourself as a transient economic migrant?

If I uproot my family and move abroad with the intent to premenently reside in Canada, Id probably say no.
If I take where I work at the moment, the majority of the people employed are Eastern European. Most have their family still in Poland, Hungary, Slovakia...and are only here to build up enough savings to go back home with in the short to medium term. These are the transient migrants who are temporarily residing in Ireland and repatriating incomes back to their home countries.
Im not saying for a second theres anything wrong with it, but they dont contribute towards the net long term positive effects of people who migrate to Ireland with the view of permenently residing here (i.e leakage from circular flow vs injections by permenant migrants buying homes, starting businesses, introducing savings etc..etc)

Chucky the tree

mikom wrote: »

Vote yes for jobs.

They must all be leaving because of that €1.75 minimum wage. :rolleyes:

juan.kerr

n97 mini wrote: »

And 25,000 immigrants arrived. Have they net been listening to the news...

How many Roma I wonder?

mikom

Chucky the tree wrote: »

They must all be leaving because of that €1.75 minimum wage. :rolleyes:

Ah, but the jobs claim was made by the government.....

Chucky the tree

mikom wrote: »

Ah, but the jobs claim was made by the government.....

and? So lying is fine in opposition but not in Government?

mikom

Chucky the tree wrote: »

and? So lying is fine in opposition but not in Government?

Lying is not fine at all.
When leaders lie it has the ability to cause more damage however.
I'm sure you'll agree.

Zambia

I doubt the figures coming here are reflective of migrants but Working Holiday Visa Holders who return in 1-2 years some do stay but the majority return.

Tea drinker

mikom wrote: »

Vote yes for jobs.

Beat the heart of Europe!

Tea drinker

Double postage.

djpbarry

n97 mini wrote: »

And 25,000 immigrants arrived.

Which is the lowest number of immigrants received by Ireland since the 80's. There are jobs in Ireland for certain professions. Pretty well-paid jobs too.

Taxi Drivers

djpbarry wrote: »

Which is the lowest number of immigrants received by Ireland since the 80's. There are jobs in Ireland for certain professions. Pretty well-paid jobs too.

No it's not. There were 42,300 immigrants to Ireland in the year to April 2011. This was higher than ALL years from 1987 to 1996.

The breakdown of these 42,300 people coming to Ireland was estimated to be

Irish: 17,100
UK: 2,600
Rest of EU15: 5,800
EU12: 9,000
USA: 300
Rest of World: 7,600
Total 42,300

jank

Sand wrote: »

As Brian Lenihan Snr might have said, "We can't all live on a small island."

Some lucky few will volunteer to feck off abroad and earn vital skills and income that they will send back to us to tax. Then at some point in the future, they will return with their wealth and buy an overpriced shoebox so we can milk them again. Dont feel sorry for them, they are the lucky ones.

/Government PR

Dont forget we will deny them ALL a vote!

djpbarry

Taxi Drivers wrote: »

There were 42,300 immigrants to Ireland in the year to April 2011.

Sorry, I didn't check the other poster's figure.