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Iona "Institute" at it again

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    #2
    Cavehill Red
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    Misleading thread title is misleading.


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    #3
    Bigus
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    Reasonable article, and fits in with my thinking of religion been collective wisdom with a bit of structure added and handed down.


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    Arcus Arrow
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    Prior to Christianity, there was no tradition in the West of seeing prisoners as people deserving of respect and dignity, as people we should be willing to visit even if they are total strangers who may have done terrible things.

    This is only one of many ways in which Christianity transformed the western moral imagination, a transformation many of us now take for granted.

    Anyone who makes a statement like the above is mad. His whole article is a loony disconnection with history which shows no idea of context. He's managed to miss completely the massive use of torture by the CCL, the domineering arrogance of the papacy and the massive bloodshed used to force it's way to the dominance position it has.

    If David Quinn wrote a biography of Pol Pot you'd end up thinking it was about a misunderstood big farmer in Cambodia who tried to be more environmentally friendly by reintroducing traditional methods of cultivation on a large scale .


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    Galvasean
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    So much rose tinting.... so little time!


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    philologos
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    If a lot of the stuff in there is true, I'd have no objections to it really. At the same time, I wouldn't preclude that other groups have contributed in positive ways to society. I'd argue at the same time a lot of awful things were carried out in the name of "Christianity".

    It's a mixed bag, much like everything else.


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    Zombrex
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    robindch wrote: »
    Well, perhaps not the II, but certainly David Quinn who claimed, in an opinion piece in last Friday's Independent, that christianity was responsible for just about everything good that's ever happened:

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/david-quinn-our-debt-to-christianity-is-far-greater-than-we-think-2972116.html

    Discuss!

    Like so much of these arguments about how revolutionary Christianity was it seems simply to be based on ignorance of other contributions from previous cultures.

    Its like arguing that Ridley Scott invented the epic movie with Gladiator simply because you have never seen any of the epics from the 60s, or thinking the Rolling Stones invented Blues music because you had no idea about the America blues movement in the 20s and 30s.

    While I have no doubt what Jesus said would seem profound to someone who had never heard it before, in the same way that someone might think Gladiator was amazing if they had never seen a 60s epic, it is an unfortunately human trait to therefore assume that it all started at these points.


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    Galvasean
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    Zombrex wrote: »
    someone might think Gladiator was amazing if they had never seen a 60s epic, it is an unfortunately human trait to therefore assume that it all started at these points.

    Gladiator didn't invent the classical epic, only perfected it ;)


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    Sonics2k
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    I honestly chuckled so loud at a lot of this.

    So much gibberish.


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    TwoShedsJackson
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    Galvasean wrote: »
    Gladiator didn't invent the classical epic, only perfected it ;)

    I've seen all the 60s epics and I still thought Gladiator was brilliant. I may have to install Ridley Scott as my deity from here on out.


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    RichieC
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    Galvasean wrote: »
    Zombrex wrote: »
    someone might think Gladiator was amazing if they had never seen a 60s epic, it is an unfortunately human trait to therefore assume that it all started at these points.

    Gladiator didn't invent the classical epic, only perfected it ;)

    that film was awful..


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    TwoShedsJackson
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    RichieC wrote: »
    that film was awful..

    Oh no it wasn't...


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    Sonics2k
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    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    Oh no it wasn't...

    Oh yes it was!

    No really people, it was dreadful. The Historian in me died a little when I watched it.


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    robindch
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    A schism!


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    TwoShedsJackson
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Oh yes it was!

    No really people, it was dreadful. The Historian in me died a little when I watched it.

    But the person who wanted to be entertained in me lived a bit more.


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    Sarky
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    Surely we can agree that it was at least better than Knight's Tale?


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    amacachi
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    Sarky wrote: »
    Surely we can agree that it was at least better than Knight's Tale?

    How dare you belittle our fallen Saviour Heath Ledger?!


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    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Oh come on now. While I am willing to accept that a MAN called Heath Ledger MAY have once existed, your claims about him being a saviour are just baseless.


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    amacachi
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    Sarky wrote: »
    Oh come on now. While I am willing to accept that a MAN called Heath Ledger MAY have once existed, your claims about him being a saviour are just baseless.

    I'm not the one making the claim, there are numerous websites, he's mentioned in literature and there's even some who claim there's video evidence of his existence. The reaction to his death as chronicled in the Great Scripture Twitter shows the power he had.


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    RichieC
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    allow Heath into your hearts you ledgerless heathens..


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    Paparazzo
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    Ah come on, David Quinn? He's worse than Myres, at least Myres changes the record.
    If he was doing an article on the pedophilia in the church he'd probably say the kids forced themselves on the priests


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    Galvasean
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    The Historian in me died a little when I watched it.

    It's not supposed to be factually accurate.
    It's supposed to be good.


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    Sonics2k
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    Galvasean wrote: »
    It's not supposed to be factually accurate.
    It's supposed to be good.

    Then it failed on both!! :pac:

    Please don't hate me Galv


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    Galvasean
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Then it failed on both!! :pac:

    Please don't hate me Galv

    Oh I wont hate you. No point in hating the dead :)


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    #25
    AhSureTisGrand
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    Socialism is Jesus' fault?



    Sweet :pac:


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    #26
    Galvasean
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    Oh yeah, the topic! :o
    Paparazzo wrote: »
    If he was doing an article on the pedophilia in the church he'd probably say the kids forced themselves on the priests

    I seem to recall him writing an article that basically said, "Everybody was doing it at the time!" as if that somehow absolves them of blame...


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