Air traffic system saves fuel/miles - RTE

looksee

Did anyone see the item about the above on RTE news this evening (Tuesday). I missed most of it and I'm just wondering what they were doing to have created such a significant improvement?

L1011

looksee wrote: »

Did anyone see the item about the above on RTE news this evening (Tuesday). I missed most of it and I'm just wondering what they were doing to have created such a significant improvement?

Its Wednesday. Tonight or yesterday?

Tonight's news will be on Player in about three hours.

cml387

Is it something to do with ETOPS certification for polar routes?

Jesus Nut

ETOPS increased to 5hours.
Here is new route map known as "Santas Route"!!!
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/76400881?access_key=key-18crao95f04ye46zjxkp

Quaderno

It's online now: http://www.rte.ie/news/av/2011/1228/6news.html# (right at the end).

L1011

Its not about ETOPS, its an incredibly simplified story about different paths being used.

12 mins in to that video ^

Su Campu

It's been in operation since 17th December 2009.

http://www.iaa.ie/safe_reg/iaip/Published%20Files/Circ%20Files/2009/EI_AIC_2009_11_en.pdf

highlydebased

As regards the Irish improvement- Lots of noise over nothing really. It just means that airlines can plan a more direct route- whilst for years and years they were given the same direct routing by Shannon control anyway, still saving money.

drdeadlift

What yee all think of the nz 777 getting 330 mins etops.

LaFlammeRouge

The short piece on RTÉ didn't explain the piece very well. Airbourne motorways


Anyway, I just read an article on BBC News about the next generation of Air Traffic Control:

Every commercial flight that takes off from the United States is currently monitored by a radar-based ground system that has been in place since WWII.
However, with the number of US passengers set to rise to one billion per year by 2020, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is planning a move to a new satellite-based system, called Next Generation Air Transportation System, or NextGen.
According to the FAA, the system will make air travel faster, safer and cheaper. New software and equipment capabilities have been added to airports across the country, and by 2018 the FAA expects the system to have already cut flight delays by 35% -- saving 1.4 billion gallons of fuel, reducing costs by $23 billion and carbon emissions by 14 million tons. The change is scheduled to be completed by 2025.
The satellite GPS system will give pilots and controllers the exact locations of planes and how near they are to each other. This allows more planes to be in the air more safely and able to fly more direct routes. And, because the GPS shows terrain regardless of the weather, it will also reduce flight delays.
Airlines, facing bankruptcy and a sluggish economy, have been slow to implement the upgrades needed, both to the planes and ground equipment and training. According to the Department of Transportation, some of the software components are already running a staggering $300 million over budget.
Congress has so far failed to pass a long-term bill for the FAA. With the cost of NextGen around $20 billion, The Us government may not be interested in passing it for a while to come.

http://www.bbc.com/travel/blog/20111228-the-futurist-the-us-new-air-traffic-control-system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX15tBHeC1E

vicwatson

If only we could patent and sell the idea :rolleyes:

Bearcat

The difference now is against traffic being routed from 15west on an eastbound to say DUB vor, clearances are more direct.......especially if on a southern routing I notice they are giving clearances direct to the LON/AMS tma boundary which cuts out all the crap of mixing with domestic traffic over stumble head. I can see genuine fuel savings in their efforts and applaud same.

the beerhunter

Bearcat wrote: »

traffic over stumble head.

*cough* strumble.

Stovepipe

For such alleged savings, lots of fuel is wasted by being compelled to hold by ATC or having to reroute because someone is gone on strike or because there are delays getting away so the APU burns more or there are delays getting to stand after landing and so on. It's good to see work being done but they have a long way to go to cut wastage induced by the human.

regards
Stovepipe

Tenger

Stovepipe wrote: »

.....It's good to see work being done but they have a long way to go to cut wastage induced by the human.

Those bloody humans again!!!