The USA and United Kingdom owe Iraq war reparations

Border-Rat

Iraq was once the most literate nation of the region, with the best healthcare. It was also secular with Christians and others enjoying immunity. Now, as a result of the invasion the Country's infrastructure has been destroyed and literacy is the least of the worries of Iraqis. Nuclear waste has contaminated the water table of Fallujah, Basra and other areas sentencing young mothers and infants to probable centuries of horrific illness and mutation. This is a result of the invasion carried out under mendacious pretense by the left-wing monstrosity, united States and its authoritarian partner the UK. Amid this wake of destruction, that has left hundreds of thousands dead (Excluding those dead as a result of invalid sanctions), they have also installed a fundamentalist Shi'ite regime.

War reparations ought to be paid. I would suggest initiating by America paying Iran 50 billion in war reparations owed by Iraq. This, of course, should only be the beggining. What do you think, and how much should the United Kindgom pay? At the very least, these Countries own the moral and financial responsibility of Iraqi medical expenses for the next decade.

getz

Border-Rat wrote: »

Iraq was once the most literate nation of the region, with the best healthcare. It was also secular with Christians and others enjoying immunity. Now, as a result of the invasion the Country's infrastructure has been destroyed and literacy is the least of the worries of Iraqis. Nuclear waste has contaminated the water table of Fallujah, Basra and other areas sentencing young mothers and infants to probable centuries of horrific illness and mutation. This is a result of the invasion carried out under mendacious pretense by the left-wing monstrosity, united States and its authoritarian partner the UK. Amid this wake of destruction, that has left hundreds of thousands dead (Excluding those dead as a result of invalid sanctions), they have also installed a fundamentalist Shi'ite regime.

War reparations ought to be paid. I would suggest initiating by America paying Iran 50 billion in war reparations owed by Iraq. This, of course, should only be the beggining. What do you think, and how much should the United Kindgom pay? At the very least, these Countries own the moral and financial responsibility of Iraqi medical expenses for the next decade.

how did i know that iran would turn up in your thread,[the worlds biggest sponsor of terrorism] on iraq,why dont you ask the kurds and the iraqis just what they think ?saddam was the cause of more than 1 million muslim deaths,[or was that iran ?

Manach

Usually it is the defeated country that pays in treasure and pelt.
Then again, given some reports on the state of US health care - having this replicated in Iraq might be salt in the wounds.

R P McMurphy

Manach wrote: »

Usually it is the defeated country that pays in treasure and pelt.
Then again, given some reports on the state of US health care - having this replicated in Iraq might be salt in the wounds.

was there a victor in this particular conquest?

Orizio

Maybe it does deserve reparations but your opening line is so biased its hard to your post seriously.

Manach

R P McMurphy wrote: »

was there a victor in this particular conquest?

In honesty - No.

Mr.Micro

R P McMurphy wrote: »

was there a victor in this particular conquest?

The arms dealers, lies and deceit, vile politicians, merchants of death and some to a lesser extent the liberated Iraqi people, the living ones.

Manic Moran

It was also secular with Christians and others enjoying immunity

Immunity from specific State targetting, yes. Everybody was an equal opportunity victim to Saddam's internal security apparatus, or his (and his family's) personal whims. For example, Uday would torture Iraq's football players purely on the basis of whether or not they missed penalties, not on the basis of religion.

NTM

Liam Byrne

Manic Moran wrote: »

It was also secular with Christians and others enjoying immunity

Everybody was an equal opportunity victim to Saddam's internal security apparatus,

How nice of the U.S. to take example from this and make all Iraqis equal opportunity victims to indiscriminate shelling and bombing.

RichieC

America is left wing? :pac:

NTMK

RichieC wrote: »

America is left wing? :pac:

i never knew George bush and the republican party were left-wing when they chose to invade iraq

Jonny7

Border-Rat wrote: »

War reparations ought to be paid. I would suggest initiating by America paying Iran 50 billion in war reparations owed by Iraq.

Well if the US has made 53 billion available to Iraq, shouldn't Iran feel a little shortchanged?

Hmm, maybe they get a discount.

Border-Rat

NTMK wrote: »

i never knew George bush and the republican party were left-wing when they chose to invade iraq

Kleptocracy is a left wing ideology, regardless of the paradigm veneer it incorporates from one term to the next. If you're insinuating the the US Republican Party is right-wing, excuse me whilst I laugh for a minute or two. I really must laugh at the Conservative variety of kleptocracy, claiming that is 'right' wing.

And already, we're into whatabouttery. Proof that 'Democrats' (Regardless if left or 'right') have no moral compass. Who cares about the consequences of invading, eh?

Jonny7

Border-Rat wrote: »

Kleptocracy is a left wing ideology, regardless of the paradigm veneer it incorporates from one term to the next. If you're insinuating the the US Republican Party is right-wing, excuse me whilst I laugh for a minute or two. I really must laugh at the Conservative variety of kleptocracy, claiming that is 'right' wing.

And already, we're into whatabouttery. Proof that 'Democrats' (Regardless if left or 'right') have no moral compass. Who cares about the consequences of invading, eh?

Interesting theory to say the least.

NTMK

Border-Rat wrote: »

Kleptocracy is a left wing ideology, regardless of the paradigm veneer it incorporates from one term to the next. If you're insinuating the the US Republican Party is right-wing, excuse me whilst I laugh for a minute or two. I really must laugh at the Conservative variety of kleptocracy, claiming that is 'right' wing.

And already, we're into whatabouttery. Proof that 'Democrats' (Regardless if left or 'right') have no moral compass. Who cares about the consequences of invading, eh?

Kleptocracy is a political system where the wealthiest control everything at the cost to everyone else.

Left wing ideologies usually revolve around equality for all however due to the greed of humans any left wing government system results in corruption/kleptocracy.

Right wing parties usually just dont bother trying to hide it.

I wouldn't call the Democrats Left wing either btw they're really just left of the GOP

Both have a ****ed up sense of morality

Im well aware of the consequences of invading and ive fully opposed the war and despite the fact im half american im usually one of the first to criticize the US and its interfering in other countries

RichieC

NTMK wrote: »

Border-Rat wrote: »

Kleptocracy is a left wing ideology, regardless of the paradigm veneer it incorporates from one term to the next. If you're insinuating the the US Republican Party is right-wing, excuse me whilst I laugh for a minute or two. I really must laugh at the Conservative variety of kleptocracy, claiming that is 'right' wing.

And already, we're into whatabouttery. Proof that 'Democrats' (Regardless if left or 'right') have no moral compass. Who cares about the consequences of invading, eh?

Kleptocracy is a political system where the wealthiest control everything at the cost to everyone else.

Left wing ideologies usually revolve around equality for all however due to the greed of humans any left wing government system results in corruption/kleptocracy.

Right wing parties usually just dont bother trying to hide it.

I wouldn't call the Democrats Left wing either btw they're really just left of the GOP

Both have a ****ed up sense of morality

Im well aware of the consequences of invading and ive fully opposed the war and despite the fact im half american im usually one of the first to criticize the US and its interfering in other countries

I dont think he really has full grasp of the subject at hand tbh.

BlaasForRafa

Border-Rat wrote: »

Kleptocracy is a left wing ideology, regardless of the paradigm veneer it incorporates from one term to the next. If you're insinuating the the US Republican Party is right-wing, excuse me whilst I laugh for a minute or two. I really must laugh at the Conservative variety of kleptocracy, claiming that is 'right' wing.

And already, we're into whatabouttery. Proof that 'Democrats' (Regardless if left or 'right') have no moral compass. Who cares about the consequences of invading, eh?

+10 points for getting kleptocracy and paradigm into the same post. You would have got bonus points for using "think outside the box" or brainstorming"

MyKeyG

Border-Rat wrote: »

Iraq was once the most literate nation of the region, with the best healthcare. It was also secular with Christians and others enjoying immunity.

Stopped reading after this nonsense. Can anyone tell me if the OP went on to tell the truth at all?

Liam Byrne

Liam Byrne wrote: »

How nice of the U.S. to take example from this and make all Iraqis equal opportunity victims to indiscriminate shelling and bombing.

hardy harr harr harr!

You`ll find its the suicide bombers who like to kill indiscriminately. Surprising as YOU may find it, it is not US policy.

Liam Byrne

blindjustice wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

How nice of the U.S. to take example from this and make all Iraqis equal opportunity victims to indiscriminate shelling and bombing.

hardy harr harr harr!

You`ll find its the suicide bombers who like to kill indiscriminately. Surprising as YOU may find it, it is not US policy.

Really? So you're claiming that they evacuated Baghdad before blowing it to bits? They invented the sickening "collateral damage" for no reason whatsoever ?

R P McMurphy

Liam Byrne wrote: »

blindjustice wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

How nice of the U.S. to take example from this and make all Iraqis equal opportunity victims to indiscriminate shelling and bombing.

hardy harr harr harr!

You`ll find its the suicide bombers who like to kill indiscriminately. Surprising as YOU may find it, it is not US policy.

Really? So you're claiming that they evacuated Baghdad before blowing it to bits? They invented the sickening "collateral damage" for no reason whatsoever ?

shock and awe

Voodoo_rasher

Border-Rat wrote: »

Iraq was once the most literate nation of the region, with the best healthcare..................................................................................... ............................What do you think, and how much should the United Kindgom pay? At the very least, these Countries own the moral and financial responsibility of Iraqi medical expenses for the next decade.

where are you lifting this, ahem copy and pasting this from? Source reference, thanks.

Liam Byrne

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

blindjustice wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

How nice of the U.S. to take example from this and make all Iraqis equal opportunity victims to indiscriminate shelling and bombing.

hardy harr harr harr!

You`ll find its the suicide bombers who like to kill indiscriminately. Surprising as YOU may find it, it is not US policy.

Really? So you're claiming that they evacuated Baghdad before blowing it to bits? They invented the sickening "collateral damage" for no reason whatsoever ?

shock and awe

It doesn't matter what they called it, it still killed indiscriminately.

Lapin

Border-Rat wrote: »

Nuclear waste has contaminated the water table of Fallujah, Basra and other areas sentencing young mothers and infants to probable centuries of horrific illness and mutation.

Where did this nuclear waste originate from?

I'm just curious, as Iraq has never had nuclear power plants or weaponary.

And I don't know of any nuclear attacks by any of the beligerints during the Iraq war.

Perhaps I need reminding, as I don't recall any nuclear disasters in that area that would - as you put it -
"sentence young mothers and infants to probable centuries of horrific illness and mutation".
(Are men and old women immune ?)

Source please.

R P McMurphy

Lapin wrote: »

Border-Rat wrote: »

Nuclear waste has contaminated the water table of Fallujah, Basra and other areas sentencing young mothers and infants to probable centuries of horrific illness and mutation.

Where did this nuclear waste originate from?

I'm just curious, as Iraq has never had nuclear power plants or weaponary.

And I don't know of any nuclear attacks by any of the beligerints during the Iraq war.

Perhaps I need reminding, as I don't recall any nuclear disasters in that area that would - as you put it -
"sentence young mothers and infants to probable centuries of horrific illness and mutation".
(Are men and old women immune ?)

Source please.

probably referring to depleted uranium shells

Border-Rat

Border-Rat wrote: »

This is spam.

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Your joke of a thread is spam.

you're both spam.
report posts if you have a problem and don't post nonsense

The Outside Agency

Lapin wrote: »

Where did this nuclear waste originate from?

I'm just curious, as Iraq has never had nuclear power plants or weaponary.

And I don't know of any nuclear attacks by any of the beligerints during the Iraq war.

Perhaps I need reminding, as I don't recall any nuclear disasters in that area that would - as you put it -
"sentence young mothers and infants to probable centuries of horrific illness and mutation".
(Are men and old women immune ?)

Source please.

Further strengthening the argument that war mongers and chickenhawks are an awfully ignorant group of people.

Depleted Uranium is used in the bombs which is naturally radioactive and dangerous to come into contact with.

The US Army already have a training video on how dangerous it is and yet they dumped tonnes of this same chemical all over Iraq leaving behind victims of multiple cancers and birth defects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ML8i3XefHQ

I'm amazed...or maybe I shouldn't be at the stupidity of people who come on these forums and argue about issues they have superficial knowledge of.

Propaganda clearly does work.

Manic Moran

Speaking of superficial knowledge, maybe I could help clarify yours...

There are, indeed, two hazards relating to destroyed equipment, radiological and chemical. You are, unfortunately, making the assumption that both may be caused by the same source: DU.

There is, in fact, only one item on the M1 tank, for example, which has a radiation warning symbol on it, but it's nothing to do with uranium, though they carry plenty of it. In fact, the substance in question is tritium, the same stuff found on a lot of wristwatches. The component is the muzzle reference sensor, and it is filled with tritium to provide the same function that the tritium does on a watch or a pistol sight: It glows in the dark. As a result, tankers have to get their annual radiation awareness brief to be careful of the MRS, not to drop it, stay clear if it's cracked, and so on. Fortunately, the MRS is a pretty rugged little thing (it needs to be considering it's attached to the cannon), but given such substances are pretty commonly used, it is sensible to give destroyed equipment a general scan.

Bet you didn't know that.

You will note, for example, that the training video you quote instructs the personnel to conduct their scans for all three forms of radiation, alpha, beta and gamma. If the threat were just DU, they'd just need to scan for alpha: DU is primarily an alpha emitter.

Now, it is certainly true that DU is a hazard after it has been used. It has a tendency to particalise as it punches through armour (part of the reason it's so good at it) and it creates a dust which is fairly easy to disturb. As a result care should be taken when working in/around destroyed vehicles to avoid breathing in the dust or getting it on your regular clothes to drag around with you. Ingesting it runs the risk of heavy metal poisoning. Heavy metal poisoning is not what one would call 'good for you', but neither does it tend to affect anyone but the person who breathed it in. The dust also tends to settle within a couple dozen yards of where the vehicle is, which is why you only need to mask up if you're going to be inspecting the vehicle. Radiation doesn't get stopped by a tarpaulin, for example, but you'll note that that's what the video recommends the vehicle be wrapped in: It just traps the dust particles so you can walk by without any concerns at all. There are, of course, other harmful chemicals to worry about as well, such as fumes from burned components or leaking propellants.

Eventually the dust, if left alone on the battlefield for long enough, will be picked up by the wind and distributed around or swept by the rain into the water table. This happened in the former Yugoslavia, for example. However, by that point, the DU is as diluted as to be in practical terms harmless, a number of studies from various agencies to include the WHO has reached this conclusion.

NTM

MysticalRain

It's just a small point, but DU is used mainly in canon shells, not bombs.

Jonny7

The Outside Agency wrote: »

Further strengthening the argument that war mongers and chickenhawks are an awfully ignorant group of people.

Depleted Uranium is used in the bombs which is naturally radioactive and dangerous to come into contact with.

It's not used in bombs.

Manic Moran

Jonny7 wrote: »

It's not used in bombs.

Dense Inert Metal Explosives. It can be and has been used in testing. However, it seems that in practice, they've used tungsten and not DU for the fragments. Plus they've only been in service (Focused Lethality Munitions) since 2008 so are unlikely to factor to any significant extent.

NTM