No more analog

Howlin

Hi

My parents just got a new tv and it is saorviev approved on it and when we set up the stations and we can get analog and digital stations by a simple aerial

At the moment we can get rte 1, 2 tv 3, tg4, 3e and rte jr
If we want to keep those stations after the change over will we have to get a saorview aerial?

RichieC

I assume youll need a digital decoder.

viewer

No new aerial required if you can pick them up now.

Chuck Stone

If you are picking up digital TV from your current set up you will still be able to pick up digital TV when analog is switched off.

This might be better in the terrestrial forum mods because there are loads of helpful knowledgeable people over there.

Killer Pigeon

Howlin wrote: »

Hi

My parents just got a new tv and it is saorviev approved on it and when we set up the stations and we can get analog and digital stations by a simple aerial

At the moment we can get rte 1, 2 tv 3, tg4, 3e and rte jr
If we want to keep those stations after the change over will we have to get a saorview aerial?

No. Your normal terrestrial aerial can pick up (and is picking up) digital and analogue signals. After the change-over, the analogue signal will cease transmission, which means you won't be able to use an aerial (to get those channels you mention) without attaching it to a digital set top box. All you need is a digital set top box to decode the digital signal (i.e., saorview). Basically, you're grand.

recyclebin

You will need to upgrade the flux capacitor to 330 nanofarads. Should work fine then.

Killer Pigeon

recyclebin wrote: »

You will need to upgrade the flux capacitor to 330 nanofarads. Should work fine then.

I'm pretty sure it's 350 picofarads.

robbie_998

at the moment i have a coat hanger sticking out the arse of my TV and i have 4 stations.


if i buy a SAORVIEW TV will it work with nothing ?

no need to buy a box to decode ?

i dont have an ariel coming out of the top of my house

LighterGuy

I still find it funny that while sure, more and more people are learning about Free tv thanks to Soarview. The mass public still doesnt know about english free tv (freesat/fta)

Alot of people who aint in the know think its 'dodgy boxes' :P

knird evol

Have you got red, blue and green cables? Or red, blue and yellow
cables?

LighterGuy

robbie_998 wrote: »

at the moment i have a coat hanger sticking out the arse of my TV and i have 4 stations.

if i buy a SAORVIEW TV will it work with nothing ?
no need to buy a box to decode ? i dont have an ariel coming out of the top of my house

A 'soarview approved tv' is basically a tv with a built in Soarview Digital reciever box.

In your case, if you bought a soarview tv you need an aerial to recieve the digital version of Soarview. But, by hooking up a pair of 'bunny ears' (or coathanger, etc) to the tv, you would still recieve the analog signal until it finally switches off in late 2012.

The most simple way to describe things is:
- you have an aerial on roof. But you dont have a soarview digi box or 'soarview tv' .. you will recieve analog signal until end of 2012.
- you have an aerial on roof and decide to buy a digi box or 'built in' tv? ... now you get the digital versions.

Killer Pigeon

robbie_998 wrote: »

at the moment i have a coat hanger sticking out the arse of my TV and i have 4 stations.


if i buy a SAORVIEW TV will it work with nothing ?

no need to buy a box to decode ?

i dont have an ariel coming out of the top of my house

You don't need a fancy deluxe aerial coming out of the side of your house. A hanger or the wire from your wife's bra should work fine - though you might need to do a little adjusting. When it comes to decoding the digital signals, you either get a digital set top box for your TV or you buy a new TV with in inbuilt digital decoder, the former is probably the cheapest option.

ejmaztec

recyclebin wrote: »

You will need to upgrade the flux capacitor to 330 nanofarads. Should work fine then.

The old sledge-hammer to crack a walnut technique eh? You can't beat it.

Killer Pigeon

LighterGuy wrote: »

I still find it funny that while sure, more and more people are learning about Free tv thanks to Soarview. The mass public still doesnt know about english free tv (freesat/fta)

Alot of people who aint in the know think its 'dodgy boxes' :P

It amazes me that people still waste so much money on sky subscriptions. Freesat and d'internet is all you need.

LighterGuy

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

It amazes me that people still waste so much money on sky subscriptions. Freesat and d'internet is all you need.

Agree 10,000% percent. :P All you need.
Well, and a media player to watch files on the tv. But an xbox 360 doubles for that.

Doc Ruby

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

It amazes me that people still waste so much money on sky subscriptions. Freesat and d'internet is all you need.

And the same ones will be complaining about the TV license while being fed ads every 5 minutes and paying more for the privelege. I haven't watched the telly in years now to be honest, what you can't get on youtube can be got from newspaper sites, advert free with adblock plus.

abbba

LighterGuy wrote: »

Free tv thanks to Soarview.

Saorview, like its analogue equivilent, is funded by the T.V. Licence and I would imagine we will see a substantial increase in the license fee in the coming years to fund new channels and services for Saorview.

LighterGuy

abbba wrote: »

Saorview, like its analogue equivilent, is funded by the T.V. Licence and I would imagine we will see a substantial increase in the license fee in the coming years to fund new channels and services for Saorview.

Wouldnt be suprised if the government use that as a way to hike the license fee up.

But even then, we all have to pay the license fee to have a tv. Paying the 165 a year for it while having Free tv installed is still cheaper than being with UPC or Sky etc.

Besides, freesat/fta is truly free tv

Freddie59

abbba wrote: »

Saorview, like its analogue equivilent, is funded by the T.V. Licence and I would imagine we will see a substantial increase in the license fee in the coming years to fund new channels and services for Saorview.

Well, it then becomes (forced) subscription TV.......:rolleyes:

biko

From After Hours

Peter Rhea

Should have left it there.

Peter Rhea

Howlin wrote: »

At the moment we can get rte 1, 2 tv 3, tg4, 3e and rte jr
If we want to keep those stations after the change over will we have to get a saorview aerial?

There's no such thing as a "Saorview aerial" or indeed a "digital aerial", any limitation in what an aerial can pick up is purely down to its design frequency range.

If the one you currently have gives trouble free reception, your Saorview stations won't be going anywhere.

robbie_998

LighterGuy wrote: »

A 'soarview approved tv' is basically a tv with a built in Soarview Digital reciever box.

In your case, if you bought a soarview tv you need an aerial to recieve the digital version of Soarview. But, by hooking up a pair of 'bunny ears' (or coathanger, etc) to the tv, you would still recieve the analog signal until it finally switches off in late 2012.

The most simple way to describe things is:
- you have an aerial on roof. But you dont have a soarview digi box or 'soarview tv' .. you will recieve analog signal until end of 2012.
- you have an aerial on roof and decide to buy a digi box or 'built in' tv? ... now you get the digital versions.

There seems to be a bit of confusion as to this.

a lot of people are telling me theres no need for any aerial at all.

just the box.

whats what there ?

Cantona's Collars

robbie_998 wrote: »

There seems to be a bit of confusion as to this.

a lot of people are telling me theres no need for any aerial at all.

just the box.

whats what there ?

If you have decent analogue reception from whatever aerial you use then the rule of thumb is that you should have no problem picking up the digital saorview signal.
I've seen perfect reception with a €2 rabbits ears yet I can see the mast from my place and had to put an aerial in the attic.

The Cush

robbie_998 wrote: »

There seems to be a bit of confusion as to this.

a lot of people are telling me theres no need for any aerial at all.

just the box.

whats what there ?

An aerial is always required. The aerial type required (internal/rabbit ears, attic or external) will depend on your location, nearest transmitter, transmitter frequency and signal strength and quality at your location.

http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-switch/aerial/
http://www.rtenl.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Saorview-DTT-October2010.pdf
http://www.rtenl.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/RTÉNL-SAORVIEW-FAQs-Sept-2011-Rev-4.0.pdf

robbie_998

The Cush wrote: »

An aerial is always required. The aerial type required (internal/rabbit ears, attic or external) will depend on your location, nearest transmitter, transmitter frequency and signal strength and quality at your location.

http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-switch/aerial/
http://www.rtenl.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Saorview-DTT-October2010.pdf
http://www.rtenl.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/RTÉNL-SAORVIEW-FAQs-Sept-2011-Rev-4.0.pdf

ok im very unsure bout this myself.

if i said Clondalkin Village - Dublin 22.

Would i need a aerial out of the roof/attic ?

or will rabbit ears in a tv do ? (saorview approved / smart tv)

The Cush

robbie_998 wrote: »

if i said Clondalkin Village - Dublin 22.

Would i need a aerial out of the roof/attic ?

or will rabbit ears in a tv do ? (saorview approved / smart tv)

Someone in the Clondalkin area may be able to give you a specific answer. You could try a cheap rabbit ears aerial and see how it works out.

Marcusm

RichieC wrote: »

I assume youll need a digital decoder.

With a saorview approved tv?

tommyh1977

Just on the confusion of Analogue / Digital Aerials. The local TV retailer in my area, (im an installer and don't retail) is making a killing at the moment selling Antiference "Digital" wideband UHF aerials to people when buying a TV telling them regardless of what they have already they still need to replace their Aerial. At first I took no notice but it really annoyed me Christmas week getting endless phonecalls from customers who had purchased his magic Aerial, then going to the house and seeing a perfect UHF on the chimney, connecting the Digimeter and getting a perfect reading. Either he is too dumb not to know the difference and is tied up with the mass confusion of the so called digital aerial, or else he is too cute and seeing a captive opportunity. To further add to my annoyance he is listed on Saorview website as an informed retailer but I cant get listed because as we all know Saorview made it quiet plain they were not listing installers as we are unregulated. I know I could join the CAI etc but why bother, is there that much money to be made on Saorview??? Rant Over!!

Howlin

Chuck Stone wrote: »

If you are picking up digital TV from your current set up you will still be able to pick up digital TV when analog is switched off.

This might be better in the terrestrial forum mods because there are loads of helpful knowledgeable people over there.

So my tv at the moment with using only an aerial can pick up some digital tv stations. So at the end of 2012 when the switch over occurs will my tv still pick up the the digital stations without adding anything else to tv? A simple yes or no would do.
Thank

The Cush

Howlin wrote: »

So my tv at the moment with using only an aerial can pick up some digital tv stations. So at the end of 2012 when the switch over occurs will my tv still pick up the the digital stations without adding anything else to tv? A simple yes or no would do.

Yes.

You say only some digital TV stations, what are you missing?

Johnboy1951

Howlin wrote: »

So my tv at the moment with using only an aerial can pick up some digital tv stations. So at the end of 2012 when the switch over occurs will my tv still pick up the the digital stations without adding anything else to tv? A simple yes or no would do.
Thank

Yes

The only thing you will lose from your present situation is the analogue channels.
The digital channels you are now receiving will continue.

Howlin

The Cush wrote: »

Yes.

You say only some digital TV stations, what are you missing?

I have rte 1 and 2, tv 3 tg4, rte jr rte+1 and the rte news station but also 3e and some radio stations

What other stations is there?
Also how do u no if ur tv has a digital converter or is that already built in the tv?

The Cush

Howlin wrote: »

I have rte 1 and 2, tv 3 tg4, rte jr rte+1 and the rte news station but also 3e and some radio stations

What other stations is there?

You have them all.

Howlin wrote: »

Also how do u no if ur tv has a digital converter or is that already built in the tv?

All Saorview approved TVs have a built-in digital tuner - http://www.saorview.ie/products-retailers/saorview-approved-product-listings/

For non approved TVs you could attach a known working aerial and do a digital scan or check the specs in the TV's manual for DVB-T/MPEG-4.

Hotblack Desiato

robbie_998 wrote: »

ok im very unsure bout this myself.

if i said Clondalkin Village - Dublin 22.

Would i need a aerial out of the roof/attic ?

or will rabbit ears in a tv do ? (saorview approved / smart tv)

I'm in Clondalkin village.
We had Sky then decided to get rid of it and use Freesat and an aerial. Tried an old set-top aerial - this gave pretty poor (only just about watchable) analogue pictures in either of the rooms I tried it. We were getting the house rewired and got aerial cables from the attic down to each TV (and two satellite feeds). I put the set-top aerial up in the attic (on a south-facing windowsill in the attic) and the extra height gave a good improvement in the signal. Also the signal now only had to pass through a pane of glass, not a couple of walls.

After a while I got a cheap wideband UHF aerial and installed that (still in the attic) and even with a passive splitter and feeding two TVs, the analogue pictures are reasonably good. On the Saorview box I get 100% quality and signal.

From the attic window there's a clear view to both Kippure and Three Rock. Attic aerials are hit and miss (you might have a gable wall, or even a whole terrace of gable walls between you and the transmitter, and just going through roof tiles weakens the signal a fair bit) but are easy and cheap to try out. I wouldn't try to install a roof aerial myself.

Another disadvantage of an indoor or attic aerial is that it is more likely to pick up electrical interference from wiring / appliances in the house, on analogue this gives spots or fuzziness, on digital the interference can cause the picture to break up very badly or go entirely, if it's strong enough compared to the wanted signal.

So unless you're lucky like me (close to transmitter, on reasonably high ground, clear line of sight, attic window facing in the right direction) it may not work for you. Foil insulation under the roof tiles, for instance, can affect an attic aerial badly.

It only cost me about €12 to try the wideband attic aerial
http://www.tvtrade.ie/black-wide-band-uhf-aerial.html

although for Three Rock a group C/D aerial would be a better choice for Saorview http://www.tvtrade.ie/green-group-cd-uhf-aerial.html

C/D would give worse reception of RTE1/2 Three Rock analogue than a wideband, but nobody will care about that in ten months time

STB

RichieC wrote: »

I assume youll need a digital decoder.

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

No. Your normal terrestrial aerial can pick up (and is picking up) digital and analogue signals. After the change-over, the analogue signal will cease transmission, which means you won't be able to use an aerial (to get those channels you mention) without attaching it to a digital set top box. All you need is a digital set top box to decode the digital signal (i.e., saorview). Basically, you're grand.

robbie_998 wrote: »

There seems to be a bit of confusion as to this.

a lot of people are telling me theres no need for any aerial at all.

just the box.

whats what there ?

Good god.

Freddie59 wrote: »

Well, it then becomes (forced) subscription TV.......

You may be confusing forced subscriptions up with another company called UPC, Freddie. Especially in those managed properties where UPC has a cosy monopoly on services!

Perfect opportunity to say that 9 out of the 10 stations watched by Irish people are actually free to air and dont require subscription to money grabbing foreign companies like UPC and Sky.

watty

Over 92% of viewing time of pay TV subscribers is Free To Air channels.