"Cyclists don't stop at RED"

monument · 23-12-2011 11:53AM #1

Happy Christmas and happy Friday!...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np2akcsMtbU

Tallon · 23-12-2011 12:07PM

wow

panevthe3rd · 23-12-2011 12:18PM

Did the police just watch the last guy go past and give the cyclist a strange look?

smacl · 23-12-2011 12:20PM

I love it, just the type of good work that everyone says they'd like to do but never gets around to actually doing. Fair play! Any feedback from the traffic section of the Gardai?

Tallon · 23-12-2011 12:21PM

smacl wrote: »

I love it, just the type of good work that everyone says they'd like to do but never gets around to actually doing. Fair play! Any feedback from the traffic section of the Gardai?

Doubt it since it's england

RobFowl · 23-12-2011 12:22PM

Going to tweet that to George Hook

PCX · 23-12-2011 12:32PM

panevthe3rd wrote: »

Did the police just watch the last guy go past and give the cyclist a strange look?

They're community support officers not "real" police. They don't have the same powers as a police constable and unlike a full police officer they have no duty to act if they see an offence being commited.

bcmf · 23-12-2011 12:45PM

RobFowl wrote: »

Going to tweet that to George Hook

I have just emailed him the link to here.
I found his rant on his show the other day disagraceful.

Captain Havoc · 23-12-2011 12:55PM

bcmf wrote: »

I have just emailed him the link to here.
I found his rant on his show the other day disagraceful.

oh, tell me more. I know he had to give money to charity before because him shooting his mouth off over the red-light issue.

bcmf · 23-12-2011 01:16PM

Basically he had Ciaran Cuffe on Mon about the Cycling Officer situation and basically went on a rant about every cyclist breaking red lights and just wouldnt let it rest. I think he went on to even point the finger at 'racing types' as the main offender.

Iwannahurl · 23-12-2011 01:17PM

Cyclists also use the "footpad".

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i355/Iwannahurl/COPs1.jpg

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i355/Iwannahurl/07-D-62332.jpg

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i355/Iwannahurl/05-D-19087.jpg

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i355/Iwannahurl/00-LM-1214.jpg

Captain Havoc · 23-12-2011 01:19PM

That's OK though, they pay road tax.

bcmf · 23-12-2011 01:19PM

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Cyclists also use the "footpad".

All I would have to do is take a picture outside my house everyday ( I live next door to a Primary School) for more evidence.

CramCycle · 23-12-2011 01:57PM

Captain Havoc wrote: »

That's OK though, they pay road tax.

It's never a good thing when the Mods start Trolling

monument · 23-12-2011 03:15PM

Captain Havoc wrote: »

That's OK though, they pay road tax.

Why don't cyclists pay road tax? That's the big question!

Darkglasses · 23-12-2011 03:25PM

Because...we don't have any infrastructure worth paying a dime for?

HivemindXX · 23-12-2011 03:40PM

monument wrote: »

Why don't cyclists pay road tax? That's the big question!

Obviously because the ultra powerful cycling lobby has all forms of local and national government under their complete control.

Motorists should think themselves lucky we let them use the roads at all. Don't like the 30kph limit for that tiny area in Dublin? We got it put there and now we're altering it to 25kph. Pray that we don't alter it any further.

/Darth Vader

Jawgap · 23-12-2011 06:29PM

Am I the only one who finds such videos a bit sad / pathetic?

Bunnyhopper · 23-12-2011 06:56PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Am I the only one who finds such videos a bit sad / pathetic?

I think in context it's a useful response to the line that all cyclists break red lights, and the related amnesia around the stuff that drivers get up to. That said, some of the RLJ-ing in that video is pretty marginal and wouldn't bother me.

At the risk of appearing sad / pathetic, here's my contribution

I encountered this on Porterstown Road a few months back. It's just outside a school and the parents (presumably - there was some sort of sports day on by the look of it) had parked up in such a way that the whole road was effectively blocked. You'll note that I resisted the temptation to go on the path, as did at least one pedestrian. I also resisted the temptation to look smug as I made my way through the jam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR-EJHy8Lrg

Iwannahurl · 23-12-2011 09:12PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Am I the only one who finds such videos a bit sad / pathetic?

No more sad/pathetic than posting on Boards!

monument · 24-12-2011 11:02AM

Darkglasses wrote: »

Because...we don't have any infrastructure worth paying a dime for?

But you get to cycle on the roads paid for by motorists? Surely you cyclists can afford to pay €50 a year each?

stoneill · 24-12-2011 11:16AM

monument wrote: »

But you get to cycle on the roads paid for by motorists? Surely you cyclists can afford to pay €50 a year each?

How many times?
There is NO SUCH THING as road tax.
Car owners pay MOTOR Tax - it's a tax on owning a Motor car.
The cost of road building and repair come from central funds to which every tax payer contributes, whether you own a car or not.

monument · 24-12-2011 11:30AM

stoneill wrote: »

monument wrote: »

But you get to cycle on the roads paid for by motorists? Surely you cyclists can afford to pay €50 a year each?

How many times?
There is NO SUCH THING as road tax.
Car owners pay MOTOR Tax - it's a tax on owning a Motor car.
The cost of road building and repair come from central funds to which every tax payer contributes, whether you own a car or not.

Motorists pay a lot of the funding... Why can't cyclists pay their way???

PeadarCo · 24-12-2011 11:48AM

monument wrote: »

Motorists pay a lot of the funding... Why can't cyclists pay their way???

Cyclings do pay their way through the general taxation system and the same goes for pedestrians and any other road user who doesn't happen to have to pay motor tax.

As mentioned earlier motor tax is a tax on owning a car and has nothing to do with directly maintaining roads.

Also most cyclists also own cars and so pay motor tax on their cars.

monument · 24-12-2011 11:55AM

What about a bridge toll / tax then? Everybody pays when they go over any bridge or the troll who lives under the bridge will get them?

rp · 24-12-2011 11:55AM

stoneill wrote: »

How many times?
There is NO SUCH THING as road tax.
Car owners pay MOTOR Tax - it's a tax on owning a Motor car.
The cost of road building and repair come from central funds to which every tax payer contributes, whether you own a car or not.

You are quite right: motorists are subsidised via general taxation

stoneill · 24-12-2011 12:44PM

monument wrote: »

What about a bridge toll / tax then? Everybody pays when they go over any bridge or the troll who lives under the bridge will get them?

I think there is only one troll here.

Captain Havoc · 24-12-2011 12:53PM

What's a troll?

Wicklowrider · 24-12-2011 01:01PM

monument wrote: »

Motorists pay a lot of the funding... Why can't cyclists pay their way???

I pay just under a grand motor tax per annum. The group I cycle with would average about that each. Most of the time the cars are on private property as I cycle to work or am out riding for enjoyment.

We also pay insurance in case we are at fault in accident and cause either injury or expense. Hope this allays your worries and allows you to share the road in peace.

Captain Havoc · 24-12-2011 01:18PM

monument is taking the peas.

Myrddin · 24-12-2011 01:26PM

I've been a cyclist, a motorist, a commuter, & a pedestrian over the years. I just find the roads a full of ignorant b@stards, no matter what form of transport they're using, be it a bike or a truck.

One will always bitch about another, because everyone thinks they're always in the right. I always see cyclists breaking lights, using the path when it suits, barreling down onto the road when it suits...but I see motorists doing equally annoying things all the time.

It's just an attitude people have on the road, cretins.

doozerie · 26-12-2011 09:04PM

Only vaguely related to the discussion here, but while checking what my motor tax bill will be like for next year I had a look at the rates for 2012 and was surprised to see some of the figures. For example, the owner of an off-road dumper has to pay €823, which is more than any private car less than 2.0L in size. Next time a plank in a car less than 2.0L moans at me while I'm cycling about my not paying "road tax", I'll remind him/her that using their reasoning a dumper has greater entitlement to the road than them.

And in case any driver of a private vehicle greater than 3.0L starts to feel smug they should probably note that goods vehicles greater than 9,000kg incur a greater charge than them. What's more, goods vehicles greater than 20,000kg incur a charge about 3 times that of a 3.0L+ private vehicle so are presumably 3 times more entitled to shove around such puny private vehicles. I'm suddenly starting to like the mangled reasoning behind the misguided sense of entitlement that exists amongst some motorists.

More generally though, what is it with this time of year? Amongst the various stupid antics I've witnessed on the roads in recent weeks (by people from all categories of road user), there have been several instances of motorists completely ignoring red traffic lights and just driving on through regardless. It's some of the most blatant disregard for basic rules of the road that I've seen in ages, far more blatant than the usual nonsense that people get up to. Did Santa make an early delivery of immortality to some people, or wha'?!

"Cyclists don't stop at RED"

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