Can The Greens Bounce Back?

outandabout

As an occasional Green voter who deserted the party in the last election, I'm considering giving the Greens a second chance next time round.


There biggest crime was to prop up the Fianna Fail led government, but some of their policies still have validity.

I also think Eamonn Ryan will be a better leader than John Gormley and could give the party a boost in the next General Election.

They've targeted five seats which I presume includes Ryan, Ciaran Cuffe, Trevor Sargent, Dan Boyle and possibly John Gormley but they also need to bring in some younger candidates to make them more attractive to the electorate.

mistermouse

outandabout wrote: »

As an occasional Green voter who deserted the party in the last election, I'm considering giving the Greens a second chance next time round.


There biggest crime was to prop up the Fianna Fail led government, but some of their policies still have validity.

I also think Eamonn Ryan will be a better leader than John Gormley and could give the party a boost in the next General Election.

They've targeted five seats which I presume includes Ryan, Ciaran Cuffe, Trevor Sargent, Dan Boyle and possibly John Gormley but they also need to bring in some younger candidates to make them more attractive to the electorate.

Pray to god they never bounce back.

thebman

Green policies usually cost people money and the government have none and are taking more of the peoples anyway with nothing to give in return since it is to plug a hole in our budget deficit.

So I think they'll struggle until people feel they have money again TBH.

Mikel91

Once people actually learn what Green Politics is,then they'll do well I think.

When people think of the Green Party they seem to think of environmentalism and conservation and not decentralization,development of local economies and social Liberalism.

flutered

Mikel91 wrote: »

Once people actually learn what Green Politics is,then they'll do well I think.

When people think of the Green Party they seem to think of environmentalism and conservation and not decentralization,development of local economies and social Liberalism.

when i think of the green party its is about a bunch who sold their soul for filthy lucre, they proped up the failures who raped my country, they brought in carbon taxes, they allowed the people to buy massive beemers etc with little tax, this in turn deprived the country of much needed finances, they changed their ministers in order to draw extra cash and pensions, they withdrew from goverment just in time to draw more extra dosh. hopefully they will stand again, so the voters can riddicule them once again.

Liam Byrne

outandabout wrote: »

As an occasional Green voter who deserted the party in the last election, I'm considering giving the Greens a second chance next time round.


There biggest crime was to prop up the Fianna Fail led government, but some of their policies still have validity.

I also think Eamonn Ryan will be a better leader than John Gormley and could give the party a boost in the next General Election.

They've targeted five seats which I presume includes Ryan, Ciaran Cuffe, Trevor Sargent, Dan Boyle and possibly John Gormley but they also need to bring in some younger candidates to make them more attractive to the electorate.

If they return to their past principles of "polluter pays" and start actually promoting sustainable options and solutions instead of pie-in-the-sky "let's all move to Dublin" or "use the buses (where there are none) and use ridiculously expensive trains" then maybe.

But their despicable choices and behaviour in Government as well as their abandonment of the reasons I would have given them a vote in the past* will see them out in the cold for a while.

*To be fair, a trait that FG & Labour have decided to carry on, so I'm unsure now whether it's appropriate to castigate anyone over it, although that also makes it inappropriate to vote for anyone.

gbee

I voted Green two elections back, not since and never again.

They've done nothing but increase inflation and ultimately damaged the genuine Green Movement supporter in the process.

Bigus

flutered wrote: »

they brought in carbon taxes, they allowed the people to buy massive beemers etc with little tax,

What's wrong with that if BMW make super efficient Cars. ? Imports of oil are against all our interest tax or no tax.

Somebody in the Green Party should do a calculation on how much oil imports that the county has SAVED by people switching to cars that do 50 & 60mpg as against ones that do 25 to 30 mpg.


It must be significant after 3 years, and they should start shouting about it.

However it was a mistake environmentally to encourage more use of particulate dirty Diesel.

Foxhound38

I'd be willing to give them more of a chance than FF. There is a space in the political discourse for enviro-politics and for reason I think they are important in certain ways.

I'd be willing to hear them out at any rate

MackQ

outandabout wrote: »

As an occasional Green voter who deserted the party in the last election, I'm considering giving the Greens a second chance next time round.


There biggest crime was to prop up the Fianna Fail led government, but some of their policies still have validity.

I also think Eamonn Ryan will be a better leader than John Gormley and could give the party a boost in the next General Election.

They've targeted five seats which I presume includes Ryan, Ciaran Cuffe, Trevor Sargent, Dan Boyle and possibly John Gormley but they also need to bring in some younger candidates to make them more attractive to the electorate.

Seriously?

Seth Brundle

Hands up those who voted confidence in Willie O'Dea?
Watches as the (former) green TDs slowly raise their hands.


The greens entered power with FF to the shock of those that voted for them. They stayed in power with FF for the sake of holding onto power. Why would I want to waste a vote on them in the future?

kiermul

Is there anyone worth voting for ? we were promised all sorts of reform by FG and Labour who have turned out to be the worst of the lot , because they knew what they were saying they could not do, look at all the broken promises even down to Enda and Michael Noonan telling us that "our pay slips wouldn't change in Jamuary that we would still come out with what we we getting in December etc." tell that to the 115,00 pensioners who have got letters from the Revenue in the 1st week of a new year and are frightened out of their wits.

flutered

kiermul wrote: »

Is there anyone worth voting for ? we were promised all sorts of reform by FG and Labour who have turned out to be the worst of the lot , because they knew what they were saying they could not do, look at all the broken promises even down to Enda and Michael Noonan telling us that "our pay slips wouldn't change in Jamuary that we would still come out with what we we getting in December etc." tell that to the 115,00 pensioners who have got letters from the Revenue in the 1st week of a new year and are frightened out of their wits.

as a pensioner my self i believe the revenue are correct, pensioners with more than one pension are in the same position as a paye worker with two jobs and only paying tax on one, there has been a furore on clamping down on welfare cheats, which is the only heading that these pensioners come under, the next lot that should come under the microscope are the pensioners who have a works pension in the uk and else where, who are having it paid into a credit card account, thus escapeing all income related checks.

gbee

flutered, thanks for the tip.

kiermul

I have no problem with people who should pay taxes paying them but it is the way this whole fiasco has been handled, people who don't owe anything getting letters and amounts being stopped from pensions that they say will be refunded but won't say when.

lightly

greens are gone..good riddens...if their crime was propping up FF..then labour are also committing a crime by propping up FG....enda kenny is really bad and i hope he goes soon

Sierra Oscar

The latest RedC poll is good news for the Green party.

The Green Party will also be pleased to see support back at 3%, again with strengths for the Party in Dublin where they secure 6% first preference.

Shows that there is indeed some support for the party returning.

http://redcresearch.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Paddy-Power-12th-Jan-Political-Poll-2012-Vote-Intention-Report2.pdf

matthew8

Hopefully not, but really the political situation here is dire. You can trust no political party, if I had to pick anyone today it would be SF for the whole eurosceptic thing and as a libertarian that's saying something.

kiermul

oh I dont think I could vote for SF but they certainly can talk the talk

steelcityblues

Their only chances of seats are in Dublin middle class constituencies, like before.

They were never a party with a strong nationwide presence.

Going Forward

Carbon tax, Global warming, Mary White, Eamon Ryan..........
hopefully they won't bounce back for at least 20 years.

Sponge Bob

Ryan is a complete moron. The worst communications minister of all time...including Dempsey and Ray Burke. They will slip further into oblivion under his wise guidance.

lunar.wire

matthew8 wrote: »

Hopefully not, but really the political situation here is dire. You can trust no political party, if I had to pick anyone today it would be SF for the whole eurosceptic thing and as a libertarian that's saying something.

I agree with you 100%.
In fairness to FF & FG, they have, in the main, done what you might expect. They have support the elite & supported neo-liberal policies. They therefore represent their electoral base imo. The lack of regulation (and it's enforcement) is what has caused the mess we are in, but some people consistently voted for FF, for reasons like "my father would turn in his grave if I didn't vote FF".

However, the Greens & Labour have abandoned their electorate completely. The trust we bestowed on the Greens was betrayed. Worse..... the only opposition party left is SF and some Independents.
Are we going to see the same turnaround from SF as we have from the Greens and Labour?
Then of course... what's the point in voting for a puppet government anyway?

Bring on the Armageddon of the rejection of the Fiscal Compact and give us our democracy back!!!!

recedite

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Ryan is a complete moron. The worst communications minister of all time...including Dempsey and Ray Burke. They will slip further into oblivion under his wise guidance.

And not only that, but by keeping him on as the new leader they signalled a clear intention to not make a clean break from the previous disastrous government.

later12

kbannon wrote: »

The greens entered power with FF to the shock of those that voted for them. They stayed in power with FF for the sake of holding onto power.

You do know that if the Green Party truly did adhere to such a power hungry policy, we probably wouldn't have seen a General Election until this Summer, 2012.

For all the accusations of holding on to power, it's pretty hard to ignore the fact that the Green Party led Fianna Fail to the guillotine where the Green Party was itself beheaded a good year and a half before the end of their term.

Dellony25

Well with a bit of luck they won't!! Good ridance to a bad thing!!