What female secret societies are in Ireland?

Teaandcoffee

Not a conspiracy a such but merely out of interest.

The Masons or the Knights of Columbanus are male dominated societies but what societies of such ilk are female dominated or accept both male and female?

Seth Brundle

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HavingCrack

Teaandcoffee wrote: »

Not a conspiracy a such but merely out of interest.

The Masons or the Knights of Columbanus are male dominated societies but what societies of such ilk are female dominated or accept both male and female?

Just as an aside I wouldn't really call either the Masons or Knights of Columbanus 'secret' societies, they both have quite a public presence. I'd say calling them esoteric groups would be more accurate.

jargon buster

You will never know, because once you become aware of it it ceases to be a secret society so you can knock it off the list.

Brown Bomber

Teaandcoffee wrote: »

Not a conspiracy a such but merely out of interest.

The Masons or the Knights of Columbanus are male dominated societies but what societies of such ilk are female dominated or accept both male and female?

There is the female equivalent of the masons, The Order of The Eastern Star whose logo is an inverted pentagram


I think your question would be better answered here in the pagan forum: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=256as they are into all that occult, hocus-pocus witchcraft nonsense.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=256

Absolam

The Order of the Eastern Star admits both male and female members, but doesn't currently have any Lodges in Ireland. Their emblem is a five-pointed five-coloured star with the white ray of the star pointing downwards towards a biblical manger

Owen

Teaandcoffee wrote: »

The Masons ... are male dominated societies

Shocking news. This just in. A franternity is male dominated! Well, I never ...

Brown Bomber

Absolam wrote: »

The Order of the Eastern Star admits both male and female members, but doesn't currently have any Lodges in Ireland. Their emblem is a five-pointed five-coloured star with the white ray of the star pointing downwards towards a biblical manger

Yeah right...It's the pentagram the symbol of satanists. Occultist Eliphas Levi, the man who created the baphomet/satan pentagram image was a mason. Surprise, surprise.
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/esoterica/levi_e/levi_e.html

Here 33 degree mason Manly P Hall describes the meaning of the pentagram

"The Pentagram is used extensively in black magic, but when so used its form always differs in one of three ways: The star may be broken at one point by not permitting the converging lines to touch; it may be inverted by having one point down and two up; or it may be distorted by having two points of varying lengths. When used in black magic, the pentagram is called the "sign of the cloven hoof" or the "footprint of the devil". The star with two points upward is also called the "Goat of Mendes" because the inverted star is the same shape as a goat's head. When the upright star turns and the upper point falls to the bottom, its signifies the fall of the Morning Star

Absolam

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Yeah right...It's the pentagram the symbol of satanists.

Yeeeesss..... I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of members of the organisation who actually participate in its' activities believing it it to based on brotherly love will be shocked to hear that their guiding star of Bethlehem isn't what it seems. But of course, they wouldn't know better because the truth has been kept from them by the lizard men controlling the order! Just as well you're around to expose the terrible truth.... What will they do with their time now?

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Here 33 degree mason Manly P Hall describes the meaning of the pentagram

. Don't you mean occultist Manly P Hall? I hope you didn't mean Canadian Manly P Hall... Calling Canadians devil worshippers is probably racist!

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Yeah right...It's the pentagram the symbol of satanists. Occultist Eliphas Levi, the man who created the baphomet/satan pentagram image was a mason. Surprise, surprise.
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/esoterica/levi_e/levi_e.html

Here 33 degree mason Manly P Hall describes the meaning of the pentagram

while used extensively in black magic... that really is only a new thing as far as the pentagram is concerned... its origins date back to 3000bc

and the specific pentagram you refer to above has pictures of a goat on it so not really the same as the eatern star and the Eastern star has moved away from the pentagram , they have altered the shape slightly, changed some degrees in the geometry so technicall it is not a pentagram anymore

Teaandcoffee

Thanks for the responses guys.

The reason I brought this topic up was due to a conversation I had with a person who has connections to one of the societies I mentioned.

We happened to be speaking about a well known female personality, when during the conversation he turned around and said she was a member of one of the societies I mentioed above, here in Ireland. Obviously, as Owen pointed out there are no females in these groups.

When I questioned further I got the deaf ear and he would not continue the conversation.

Brown Bomber

Absolam wrote: »

Yeeeesss..... I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of members of the organisation who actually participate in its' activities believing it it to based on brotherly love will be shocked to hear that their guiding star of Bethlehem isn't what it seems.

It is what is seems -- An inverted pentagram.

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Absolam wrote: »

Don't you mean occultist Manly P Hall? I hope you didn't mean Canadian Manly P Hall... Calling Canadians devil worshippers is probably racist!

I didn't call Manly P Hall a devil worshipper, I attributed a quote to him.

And by Manly P Hall I mean the very same occultist, Canadian, and Freemason.
It was taken from The Secret Teachings of All The Ages.
http://books.google.se/books?id=jjEkEGbyhTEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+secret+teachings+of+all+ages:&hl=sv&sa=X&ei=3gfxToaKKYqB4gSpxMHVAQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20secret%20teachings%20of%20all%20ages%3A&f=false

(apologies for not linking before )

Absolam

Brown Bomber wrote: »

It is what is seems -- An inverted pentagram.

But it seems to be a star? They say it's a star, and it's their emblem...

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I didn't call Manly P Hall a devil worshipper, I attributed a quote to him.

Ah that's ok then. Just the way you sequenced your post from satanists, to occultists, to Masons, to black magic, to devil symbols, one might get the impression you were linking them together and implying there are associations. Glad you cleared that up!

Hobbes

There is huge one in Ireland called "Nocte ex". Apparently they have their meetings in the girls toilets. That's how you know who is a member.

stuar

Not exclusively female, but worth a look if your curious about this type of stuff.
http://religiouschildabuse.blogspot.com/2010/11/irish-tv-exposes-cults-in-ireland.html

Theres the "Daughters of Job", "Rainbow Girls", kinda the preschool of Eastern Star, although I havent looked into it in Ireland, maybe it's a secret;).

Job's Daughters International

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job's_Daughters_International

Rainbow Girls

http://www.gorainbow.org/home/home.taf

Both masonic for girls, you could google "Elizabeth St Leger" an Irish woman freemason and see if theres any offshoots active here in Ireland, but I'm sure the male freemasons who have things they "do not talk about" wouldnt like their daughters little girly cult being known, if such exists here!

Sunnyisland

Cumann na mBan ??




http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=cummann%20na%20ban&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCumann_na_mBan&ei=xhP2TtCCEYrMhAeN1aWgAQ&usg=AFQjCNEuUQMnHHBCVphy7PisBSK2AsUalQ

Dudess

Cannot resist urge to say Ladies Lounge private forum.

SugarHigh

Friends of Chalet School

stuar

Another woman friendly secret soiety/cult would be:


http://goldendawnireland.com/

Welcome to the homepage of the Magical Order of Aurora Aurea (MOAA) in Ireland.
MOAA is a modern Golden Dawn Order led by author and magician Nick Farrell, embracing and enhancing the living tradition of Hermeticism with a focus on magic.
The Golden Dawn has had a long history in Ireland, including many original members such as poet W.B. Yeats, Maud Gonne and George Pollexfen. We are happy to continue this tradition with a fully-fledged Temple operating in the capital city of Dublin.
The Dublin Temple is currently open for applications.

stuar

Absolam wrote: »

The Order of the Eastern Star admits both male and female members, but doesn't currently have any Lodges in Ireland. Their emblem is a five-pointed five-coloured star with the white ray of the star pointing downwards towards a biblical manger

Better get onto these Absolam and tell them they are wrong and to edit their webpage.:D
Ohh and the above magik cult ^^^^^^(up there,MOAA) has a cross above it's triangle, so alls in order there too I guess.

Today the organization spans into almost each continent and many countries across the world. OES exists in every State in the United States, plus the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, Scotland, Ireland, England, Italy, and currently is expanding into many countries in South America.

http://mgc-oes.mwphglmd.org/whoweare.htm

tayto lover

The Beavers but they have no Lodges in Ireland either.

stuar

tayto lover wrote: »

The Beavers but they have no Lodges in Ireland either.

Always wondered where that name for a lady came from.:D

Beaver scouts?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beavers_(Scouting)


FREEMASONRY AND SCOUTING
http://www.themasonictrowel.com/masonic_talk/stb/stbs/97-12.htm

Absolam

stuar wrote: »

Not exclusively female, but worth a look if your curious about this type of stuff.
http://religiouschildabuse.blogspot.com/2010/11/irish-tv-exposes-cults-in-ireland.html
Theres the "Daughters of Job", "Rainbow Girls", kinda the preschool of Eastern Star, although I havent looked into it in Ireland, maybe it's a secret;).
Job's Daughters International
Rainbow Girls
Both masonic for girls, you could google "Elizabeth St Leger" an Irish woman freemason and see if theres any offshoots active here in Ireland, but I'm sure the male freemasons who have things they "do not talk about" wouldnt like their daughters little girly cult being known, if such exists here!

Stuar, which part of your link to the religious child abuse page relates to female secret societies, Jobs' Daughters, or the Rainbow Girls?

Absolam

stuar wrote: »

Better get onto these Absolam and tell them they are wrong and to edit their webpage.:D

Probably more accurate for me to say then, I have not come across any Eastern Star Lodges in the Republic, and the Eastern Star 'lady Freemasons' I have met weren't aware of any Eastern Star Lodges in the Republic when I met them

eithneoneill

There are 2 Freemason orders in Ireland that accept women.
The Grand Lodge and the Droit Humain.
At present I am trying to find more information about both, but apart from one website and 2 newspaper articles I did not find much to help me make up my mind.

They are mixed lodges, for men and women, without baseless discrimination.
Any lady mason to share their experience?

Absolam

You managed to find another thread then, well done! I'd suggest the one in Humanities over Conspiracy Theories though.

eithneoneill

Absolam wrote: »

You managed to find another thread then, well done! I'd suggest the one in Humanities over Conspiracy Theories though.

I have.
But no one really cares.
If it were not for you, I would probably already have left the building.
There is some good in you

Absolam

That's just CT... I think you'll find Humanities generally more interested, even if they poke fun at it a bit more.

eithneoneill

Absolam wrote: »

That's just CT... I think you'll find Humanities generally more interested, even if they poke fun at it a bit more.

I nearly start to regret being so short and nasty with you earlier on.
I just had not got laid for a week... but now I feel better after my wife graced me with a booty call before going back on duty.

Brown Bomber

this links to an old initiation ritual of a womans lodge. Sounds like a weird cult with skulls, blindfolds, praying, chained arms and pledges to "listen and obey" and be "silent".
http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CGYQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oes-colorado.org%2Flibrary%2FPDFs%2F02_01_02_Masonry_of_Adoption.pdf&ei=QBxaUdG4OamN4gSrn4HgAw&usg=AFQjCNEwG-Q9xecQ9fQQ8tj9t_f0I0EaKQ

eithneoneill

Brown Bomber wrote: »

this links to an old initiation ritual of a womans lodge. Sounds like a weird cult with skulls, blindfolds, praying, chained arms and pledges to "listen and obey" and be "silent".
http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CGYQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oes-colorado.org%2Flibrary%2FPDFs%2F02_01_02_Masonry_of_Adoption.pdf&ei=QBxaUdG4OamN4gSrn4HgAw&usg=AFQjCNEwG-Q9xecQ9fQQ8tj9t_f0I0EaKQ

I would not pay too much attention to the American Freemasonry described in this article.
It would be like judging the Catholic Church based on an Article on the KKK...

Plus the Eastern Start is not a proper Freemason order: it is mostly for the "wives of" or "daughters of". (It admits men too mind you)
Any order that is not fully mixed does not really understand what Freemasonry is.

Brown Bomber

eithneoneill wrote: »

I would not pay too much attention to the American Freemasonry described in this article.
It would be like judging the Catholic Church based on an Article on the KKK...

Plus the Eastern Start is not a proper Freemason order: it is mostly for the "wives of".
Any order that is not fully mixed does not really understand what Freemasonry is.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up and good luck in your quest. It's freemasonry's loss to not permit someone as clearly passionate and dedicated to their own ideals such as yourself.

eithneoneill

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Okay, thanks for clearing that up and good luck in your quest. It's freemasonry's loss to not permit someone as clearly passionate and dedicated to their own ideals such as yourself.

GLI Freemasonry loss
Grand Orient OR Droit Humain gain... once I pick one.
Still have been unable to find much about DH in Ireland, but I know GO is going to initiate their 4th woman.

I firmly intend to be a Master Mason within 3 years (I will not rush and do all the degrees in too short a time), and be W.'.M.'. within 7 years.

belcampprisoner

the virginal except when drunk society

Brown Bomber

eithneoneill wrote: »

GLI Freemasonry loss
Grand Orient OR Droit Humain gain... once I pick one.
Still have been unable to find much about DH in Ireland, but I know GO is going to initiate their 4th woman.

I firmly intend to be a Master Mason within 3 years (I will not rush and do all the degrees in too short a time), and be W.'.M.'. within 7 years.

Best of luck. Have you considered a coven instead? Isn't is essentially the same thing but with bonus nudity?

Absolam

eithneoneill wrote: »

Plus the Eastern Start is not a proper Freemason order: it is mostly for the "wives of" or "daughters of". (It admits men too mind you)
Any order that is not fully mixed does not really understand what Freemasonry is.

Interesting... have you now decided on your own definition of what is and isn't a 'proper' Freemason order? I'd genuinely be interested in hearing it, purely for comparison purposes of course

david75

All I do know is that bastard daithi O sé is their deity.

eithneoneill

Absolam wrote: »

Interesting... have you now decided on your own definition of what is and isn't a 'proper' Freemason order? I'd genuinely be interested in hearing it, purely for comparison purposes of course

Freemasonry is certainly not "equal but separate".
That might be a certain antiquated flavor of Islam or of Catholicism.

Freemasonry is about equality and freedom, and the advancement of humanity. Hardly things that can be achieved by segregating women. (At the back of the room for old-school Islam, or outside the tyled room for old-school Freemasonry.

Eastern Star could not possibly be Freemasonry, according to your own definition: it allows women. At best you woudl qualify of masonic-like, or masonic-related. But how could it be "regular" Freemasonry in your eye?
(That is not why it is not Freemasonry in my eye, just in yours)
It must be a glorified cooking class of sorts, to feed "their men" in the festive boards, and to learn how to properly serve wine.

Penn

eithneoneill, please do not post in threads which have been dormant for several months.

Locking this as I fail to see the reason why the same discussion about women and Freemasons needs to be spread over two threads.